If this is true, it's very interesting.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/henry-cavill-replaced-superman

@Poetist said:

If this is true, it's very interesting.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/henry-cavill-replaced-superman

Good article, but how reliable is it?

I could see Dany negotiating for more money, but MOS, BvS or JL didn’t do so well and a lot of people don’t like the Zack Snyder movies and take on the DCEU. As he is heavily the face of that universe, it seems logical they may hire someone else to play Superman for a reboot. It’s not a good time to ask for more money for her client.

So far only Gal seems safe, and she is from the DCEU that Snyder created so who knows maybe there is still a chance... Though Ben Affleck is already out. We don’t know the future of the actors who played The Flash and Cybog. Jason Momoa at least is finding roles outside the DCEU (he’s going to be in another TV series, I read).

I could only think of one other actor who successfully two versions of the same hero. Ryan Reynolds played a version of Deadpool in one of the Wolverine movies, then successfully started in a more successful rebooted version of Deadpool. Not sure if HC can pull that off.

@ToniTurnyne said:

@Poetist said:

If this is true, it's very interesting.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/henry-cavill-replaced-superman

Good article, but how reliable is it?

I have. no. clue.

I could see Dany negotiating for more money, but MOS, BvS or JL didn’t do so well and a lot of people don’t like the Zack Snyder movies and take on the DCEU. As he is heavily the face of that universe, it seems logical they may hire someone else to play Superman for a reboot. It’s not a good time to ask for more money for her client.

But we know Dany loves money...

I still can't see why she is managing HC. It's seem like bottom feeding, when she's making money moves with DJ.

So far only Gal seems safe, and she is from the DCEU that Snyder created so who knows maybe there is still a chance... Though Ben Affleck is already out. We don’t know the future of the actors who played The Flash and Cybog. Jason Momoa at least is finding roles outside the DCEU (he’s going to be in another TV series, I read).

I could only think of one other actor who successfully two versions of the same hero. Ryan Reynolds played a version of Deadpool in one of the Wolverine movies, then successfully started in a more successful rebooted version of Deadpool. Not sure if HC can pull that off.

Ryan was able to do that, because he gathered up some coins to produce Deadpool, when the studio washed its hands of it. Otherwise, he would have been a one-and-done.

@Poetist said:

ToniTurnyne: I could only think of one other actor who successfully two versions of the same hero. Ryan Reynolds played a version of Deadpool in one of the Wolverine movies, then successfully started in a more successful rebooted version of Deadpool. Not sure if HC can pull that off.

Ryan was able to do that, because he gathered up some coins to produce Deadpool, when the studio washed its hands of it. Otherwise, he would have been a one-and-done.

I wonder if HC would jump ship to Marvel like Ryan, if given a chance. Laurence Fishburn who was in MOS, showed up in Ant Man and the Wasp.

@ToniTurnyne said:

@Poetist said:

ToniTurnyne: I could only think of one other actor who successfully two versions of the same hero. Ryan Reynolds played a version of Deadpool in one of the Wolverine movies, then successfully started in a more successful rebooted version of Deadpool. Not sure if HC can pull that off.

Ryan was able to do that, because he gathered up some coins to produce Deadpool, when the studio washed its hands of it. Otherwise, he would have been a one-and-done.

I wonder if HC would jump ship to Marvel like Ryan, if given a chance.

Hell yeah! In a heartbeat! He's already talking about moving up to the next level by learning how to fly a helicopter. I guess he equates Tom Cruise's success to being able to fly choppers and do stunts. WTF? So, sure, if Marvel calls he will be jumping ship, as well he should.

@Poetist said:

@ToniTurnyne said:

@Poetist said:

ToniTurnyne: I could only think of one other actor who successfully two versions of the same hero. Ryan Reynolds played a version of Deadpool in one of the Wolverine movies, then successfully started in a more successful rebooted version of Deadpool. Not sure if HC can pull that off.

Ryan was able to do that, because he gathered up some coins to produce Deadpool, when the studio washed its hands of it. Otherwise, he would have been a one-and-done.

I wonder if HC would jump ship to Marvel like Ryan, if given a chance.

Hell yeah! In a heartbeat! He's already talking about moving up to the next level by learning how to fly a helicopter. I guess he equates Tom Cruise's success to being able to fly choppers and do stunts. WTF? So, sure, if Marvel calls he will be jumping ship, as well he should.

If he’s going to learn to fly helicopters, will he bring Kal along to the lessons as a support animal? I imagine learning to fly a helicopter may give someone more anxiety than riding first class in a commercial or chartered plane.

@ToniTurnyne said:

If he’s going to learn to fly helicopters, will he bring Kal along to the lessons as a support animal? I imagine learning to fly a helicopter may give someone more anxiety than riding first class in a commercial or chartered plane.

Oh, good point! HC was so full of shyt w/saying Kal was a support animal, but I understand why he did.

This article seems to sum up the DC universe.

https://www.slashfilm.com/warner-bros-dc-films-plans-walter-hamada/

@Poetist said:

This article seems to sum up the DC universe.

https://www.slashfilm.com/warner-bros-dc-films-plans-walter-hamada/

Well, DC launched a DC Streaming service offering several TV series based on DC comics; a remastering of some of their old cartoon series and maybe more animated movies (I hope).

I saw a trailer of Titan, and all I could think of — here’s another too dark angsty series coming our way. I can understand if DC wants to do it for its dark comic book lines like Hellblazer (I wish they make another John Constantine series!) or the other Vertigo comic lines, but I wish they don’t make the others too dark. Otherwise everything will be too dark... or maybe not..

DC seems going for a Jekyll and Hyde thing — too dark and angsty to trying to be funny. I saw the trailer for Shazam, and it’s almost like they’re trying hard to do a Deadpool of some sort. I think Shazam would have a better chance if they had cast The Rock for the role of Shazam.

But I agree with the article, there seems to be a lack of coherence and direction to what they’re doing for the movies. They seem to be doing better for their TV series.

This article talks more of the new direction w/the addition of Supergirl.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/how-christopher-robin-explores-tragedy-aging-1132396

Holy crap.

This article brings more tea to the table.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/henry-cavill-man-steel-2-supergirl

This one continues. . . with more reason behind the rumored actions.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/08/02/superman-making-sense-of-both-sides-of-cavills-contract-talks/

@Poetist said:

Holy crap.

This article brings more tea to the table.

https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/henry-cavill-man-steel-2-supergirl

This one continues. . . with more reason behind the rumored actions.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/08/02/superman-making-sense-of-both-sides-of-cavills-contract-talks/

Based on those articles, I think that both WB and Cavill's team are neither reasonable. WB because they haven't put much effort into making a good Superman film. So therefore, they're not in a good position to wonder if the lead star is worthy. Even they admit that there were so many factors that contributed to the failure of MOS, BvS, & JL.

As for Cavill and his reps, they just need to accept the fact that he's not an A-lister. They are in no position to be demanding A-list money. So wherever they're at, they need to stop or accept the deal that WB is offering. The script and direction is more important then how much money is on the table.

Adapting "Superman: For Tomorrow" sounds like a good idea. Cavill's people should try to convince the studios to let the success of MOS 2 speak for itself. Then they can start demanding more money.

@Salt-and-Limes said:

Based on those articles, I think that both WB and Cavill's team are neither reasonable. WB because they haven't put much effort into making a good Superman film. So therefore, they're not in a good position to wonder if the lead star is worthy. Even they admit that there were so many factors that contributed to the failure of MOS, BvS, & JL.

There may be many factors, but I don't think they're being unreasonable. This is show BUSINESS, and they are looking at profitability -- not creativity.

The bottom line is that HC didn't bring butts in seats. His name is not that big. Therefore, he carries very little clout in these negotiations.

As for Cavill and his reps, they just need to accept the fact that he's not an A-lister. They are in no position to be demanding A-list money. So wherever they're at, they need to stop or accept the deal that WB is offering. The script and direction are more important than how much money is on the table.

I agree. It's better to accept a deal than to leave with nothing. WB is holding all the chips, and they can easily put another man into a costume. If HC claims to love Supes as much as he claims, he will have to accept the offer and hope he can negotiate if the sequel is a hit.

Adapting "Superman: For Tomorrow" sounds like a good idea. Cavill's people should try to convince the studios to let the success of MOS 2 speak for itself. Then they can start demanding more money.

That would be a reasonable thing to do. If the rumors are true, then Dany is going to ruin HC's reputation. He will be blackballed, and no studio will accept him.

@Poetist said:

@Salt-and-Limes said:

Based on those articles, I think that both WB and Cavill's team are neither reasonable. WB because they haven't put much effort into making a good Superman film. So therefore, they're not in a good position to wonder if the lead star is worthy. Even they admit that there were so many factors that contributed to the failure of MOS, BvS, & JL.

There may be many factors, but I don't think they're being unreasonable. This is show BUSINESS, and they are looking at profitability -- not creativity.

The bottom line is that HC didn't bring butts in seats. His name is not that big. Therefore, he carries very little clout in these negotiations.

I disagree. In today's market, the average movie goer wants to spend their money on a movie they know is going to be good. You can't make a good film without creativity (regardless of the budget). Which is why so many major block busters are flopping hard.

As for Cavill and his reps, they just need to accept the fact that he's not an A-lister. They are in no position to be demanding A-list money. So wherever they're at, they need to stop or accept the deal that WB is offering. The script and direction are more important than how much money is on the table.

I agree. It's better to accept a deal than to leave with nothing. WB is holding all the chips, and they can easily put another man into a costume. If HC claims to love Supes as much as he claims, he will have to accept the offer and hope he can negotiate if the sequel is a hit.

Adapting "Superman: For Tomorrow" sounds like a good idea. Cavill's people should try to convince the studios to let the success of MOS 2 speak for itself. Then they can start demanding more money.

That would be a reasonable thing to do. If the rumors are true, then Dany is going to ruin HC's reputation. He will be blackballed, and no studio will accept him.

If HC loses out on MOS 2 and being able to play Superman, then he needs to drop Dany faster than he would a hot plate.

@Salt-and-Limes said:

@Poetist said:

@Salt-and-Limes said:

There may be many factors, but I don't think they're being unreasonable. This is show BUSINESS, and they are looking at profitability -- not creativity.

The bottom line is that HC didn't bring butts in seats. His name is not that big. Therefore, he carries very little clout in these negotiations.

I disagree. In today's market, the average movie goer wants to spend their money on a movie they know is going to be good. You can't make a good film without creativity (regardless of the budget). Which is why so many major block busters are flopping hard.

If HC loses out on MOS 2 and being able to play Superman, then he needs to drop Dany faster than he would a hot plate.

The time to do that is before you lose out on a role, because he may not have a rep after Dany. HC should take the starting pay $500k and ask for a bonus if the movie reaches a certain figure at the box office. If it's a success, he should be allowed to have some input on the next film and get producing credit.