@Poetist said:

@ToniTurnyne said:

So if AT&T merger plans doesn’t happens, who’ll get WB? It would be a riot if Disney also manages to acquire the DC brand! (But I suppose anti-trust laws may also start applying if Disney makes a move for WB.)

Well, Disney could just buy the DC division of WB and leave WB for another buyer.

I wonder if Paramount who has also been lagging behind in terms of movie hits will make a move?

Most likely WB might fall into foreign hands.

Maybe it has already ? It has had some strong links to Legendary films which I think is owned by a big Chinese company. Note the greater number of Asian American in its ranks, Kong Island, Great Wall, Pacific Rim and even Ready Player One, the upcoming Crazy Rich Asians (all WB movies) have had strong Asian backers or characters. Wouldn’t be surprised if China acquires WB.

@ToniTurnyne said:

Maybe it has already ? It has had some strong links to Legendary films which I think is owned by a big Chinese company. Note the greater number of Asian American in its ranks, Kong Island, Great Wall, Pacific Rim and even Ready Player One, the upcoming Crazy Rich Asians (all WB movies) have had strong Asian backers or characters. Wouldn’t be surprised if China acquires WB.

I wouldn't mind it. I like Asian films. Crazy Rich Asians interest me the most.

@Poetist said:

@ToniTurnyne said:

Maybe it has already ? It has had some strong links to Legendary films which I think is owned by a big Chinese company. Note the greater number of Asian American in its ranks, Kong Island, Great Wall, Pacific Rim and even Ready Player One, the upcoming Crazy Rich Asians (all WB movies) have had strong Asian backers or characters. Wouldn’t be surprised if China acquires WB.

I wouldn't mind it. I like Asian films. Crazy Rich Asians interest me the most.

I’m kind of 50-50 about this movie. I’m not a big fan of Constance Wu who made a big fuss about Matt Damon for taking the role in The Great Wall, but obviously she’s all quiet about the excesses and not-so-great behaviour of real wealthy crazy Asians, which in the scheme of things is a lot worse than Matt Damon taking that role in the Great Wall. But hey, greatly doubt she’ll say anything...

I do have the novel Crazy Rich Asian and it’s sequels in my library. I skimmed through one of the books and it’s quite funny. I do love the author’s style.

Ok. I l know I am late to this discussion but here is my 2 cents. They need to hang it up with the Barman/Superman movies. Maybe Wonder woman can make money from a sequel. in my view this has not done a lot for HC career wise and he has been leaning on a big crutch called DC. He hasn't sharpened his acting skills. He is in his mid-thirties, , make it or break it for a pretty boy. i cannot help comparing him to JRM. JRM has looks and talent but his enthusiasm for alcohol has messed up his career. He does work a hell of a lot more than HC. JRM is in a few indies a year, his talent is undeniable, however his racial slip in an airport on top of him getting arrested over and over because of his alcoholism has shoved his out of leading man roles. Henry was poised to become a household name when SM was getting ready to be released but the movie and, lets not kid ourselves, his lack of charisma was a big let down. Now it seems like he is just waiting for that big role to come along without polishing his acting chops. This partnership with Dany is like WTF? I don't know what he is doing but neither DC or Dany seems to be working.

@Kessa89 said:

Ok. I l know I am late to this discussion but here is my 2 cents. They need to hang it up with the Barman/Superman movies. Maybe Wonder woman can make money from a sequel. in my view this has not done a lot for HC career wise and he has been leaning on a big crutch called DC. He hasn't sharpened his acting skills. He is in his mid-thirties, , make it or break it for a pretty boy. i cannot help comparing him to JRM. JRM has looks and talent but his enthusiasm for alcohol has messed up his career. He does work a hell of a lot more than HC. JRM is in a few indies a year, his talent is undeniable, however his racial slip in an airport on top of him getting arrested over and over because of his alcoholism has shoved his out of leading man roles. Henry was poised to become a household name when SM was getting ready to be released but the movie and, lets not kid ourselves, his lack of charisma was a big let down. Now it seems like he is just waiting for that big role to come along without polishing his acting chops.

This post is on point on so many levels.

This partnership with Dany is like WTF? I don't know what he is doing but neither DC or Dany seems to be working.

I called it two years ago when I heard she was his manager. If it were not for Dwayne and his charisma, she would be nowhere but in jail. Then, she makes this big statement that HC will blow up in two years, well, it been two years since that remark. To me, she is full of hot air and so is HC's head for falling for this charlatan.

Oh you know that break-up will be good. henry's PR will be saying Dany wouldn't put him in any movies.

Her team will be saying he refused any movies offered. I will be poppin the popcorn!

@Kessa89 said:

Oh you know that break-up will be good. henry's PR will be saying Dany wouldn't put him in any movies.

Her team will be saying he refused any movies offered. I will be poppin the popcorn!

If Dany doesn't rob HC blind, I don't think it will be that spectacular in the end. HC will barely be a blip on Dany's radar. Already, she is boasting about her next money moves. What I don't get is why does she want to manage clients, other than the Rock.

She's producing and things are taking off for her, of course, she has the goose that laid the golden egg w/her.

Henry Cavill should go the Taylor Kitsch route by producing his own movies. By that I mean he should write, star, and direct in his own projects. DC hasn't given him the career that he's seeking, as everyone else has mentioned. I brought up Taylor Kitsch, because everyone thought that he was a talentless hack until he killed it in Waco. Now everyone is anticipating Kitsch's next movie. And since the industry doesn't seem to take Henry seriously enough to give him any kind of opportunities, that might be his only option. It's unfortunate that they seem to think that just because his Superman was poor, that he isn't capable of carrying a film.

This is not entirely his fault. The DC Universe has been poorly constructed from the very beginning. First, they tried to have all of the superheroes copy Batman, instead of making them the unique characters that they are. Then they hired lackluster screenwriters, when they should have focused on getting writers that have had a consistent track record of good material. After that, they hired directors with limited talent. They should have set the DC franchise under a collaborative team that understood the franchise. And they most certainly should have trusted HC with MOS. MOS should have had a light-hearted tone to begin with (Henry Cavill is at his best when he's working with up-beat material, IMO), because that is Superman's world.

@Salt-and-Limes said:

Henry Cavill should go the Taylor Kitsch route by producing his own movies. By that I mean he should write, star, and direct in his own projects.

Easier said than done. You have to have the talent to write, star, and direct, but Taylor didn't write or direct Waco; he just stars in it. I haven't heard of this show, but it does look interesting. I love movies/documentaries on Cults.

With that said, I do agree that HC needs to branch out which he started to do with Stratton. To me, that was an ill-conceived project, because making a military film requires a big budget. I saw part of the film, and it came off looking as if it was low budget. He needed to choose a project that isn't an action movie.

As well, HC needs to diversify and move from film to TV and circle back between the two. Getting a project produced on Netflix is big time, and he needs to talk to his pal, LE, who has done all of this and is on the number one cable series, the Alienist.

DC hasn't given him the career that he's seeking, as everyone else has mentioned. . . And since the industry doesn't seem to take Henry seriously enough to give him any kind of opportunities, that might be his only option. It's unfortunate that they seem to think that just because his Superman was poor, that he isn't capable of carrying a film.

He isn't capable of carrying a film. No one is going to give anyone a chance after chance when there are millions at stake.

This is not entirely his fault. The DC Universe has been poorly constructed from the very beginning. First, they tried to have all of the superheroes copy Batman, instead of making them the unique characters that they are.

That's true.

Then they hired lackluster screenwriters, when they should have focused on getting writers that have had a consistent track record of good material.

They did hire good writers, but there were too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to creating a script for the studio system. I guess they wanted Goyer to keep writing for Batman no matter who the character was, LOL.

Goyer (writer): Batman Begins, Dark City, The Dark Knight, Blade, and etc.

Terio (writer): Argo (Ben A brought him along, but I don't know if superhero movies are his thing)

@Poetist said:

@Salt-and-Limes said:

Henry Cavill should go the Taylor Kitsch route by producing his own movies. By that I mean he should write, star, and direct in his own projects.

Easier said than done. You have to have the talent to write, star, and direct, but Taylor didn't write or direct Waco; he just stars in it. I haven't heard of this show, but it does look interesting. I love movies/documentaries on Cults.

Taylor didn't write or direct Waco, but he is planning on writing and directing a movie called Pieces. It's still in the works; he's the only one who is cast, atm. And I would definitely recommend Waco. I think Henry should do a thing just like "Pieces." He probably won't be able to get a Waco-type role, but doing his own film shouldn't be a problem for him. Besides, how else are we going to know if Henry has talent if he doesn't take a chance?

With that said, I do agree that HC needs to branch out which he started to do with Stratton. To me, that was an ill-conceived project, because making a military film requires a big budget. I saw part of the film, and it came off looking as if it was low budget. He needed to choose a project that isn't an action movie.

I agree. Henry needs to do something that doesn't require a large budget.

As well, HC needs to diversify and move from film to TV and circle back between the two. Getting a project produced on Netflix is big time, and he needs to talk to his pal, LE, who has done all of this and is on the number one cable series, the Alienist.

I agree.

DC hasn't given him the career that he's seeking, as everyone else has mentioned. . . And since the industry doesn't seem to take Henry seriously enough to give him any kind of opportunities, that might be his only option. It's unfortunate that they seem to think that just because his Superman was poor, that he isn't capable of carrying a film.

He isn't capable of carrying a film. No one is going to give anyone a chance after chance when there are millions at stake.

How do you know he's not capable of carrying a film?

This is not entirely his fault. The DC Universe has been poorly constructed from the very beginning. First, they tried to have all of the superheroes copy Batman, instead of making them the unique characters that they are.

That's true.

Then they hired lackluster screenwriters, when they should have focused on getting writers that have had a consistent track record of good material.

They did hire good writers, but there were too many cooks in the kitchen when it comes to creating a script for the studio system. I guess they wanted Goyer to keep writing for Batman no matter who the character was, LOL.

Goyer (writer): Batman Begins, Dark City, The Dark Knight, Blade, and etc.

Terio (writer): Argo (Ben A brought him along, but I don't know if superhero movies are his thing)

Goyer is only good because he's worked with Chris Nolan. Outside of Nolan, a lot of his movies have had poor reviews. Terio has had only had 1 movie that earned good recognition, and that wasn't a superhero script.

@Salt-and-Limes said:

How do you know he's not capable of carrying a film?

Immortals, MOS, BvS, CLOD, and MFU. Surely, HC could be a one-hit-wonder with one film, but he needs to be consistent. Personally, I don't see it, and he's had more chances than most actors.

Goyer is only good because he's worked with Chris Nolan. Outside of Nolan, a lot of his movies have had poor reviews. Terio has had only had 1 movie that earned good recognition, and that wasn't a superhero script.

That's true in a sense w/Terio, but I did like Goyer's Dark City. I think if Goyer wasn't any good or wasn't pulling his weight, Nolan could have fired him.

@Poetist said:

@Salt-and-Limes said:

How do you know he's not capable of carrying a film?

Immortals, MOS, BvS, CLOD, and MFU. Surely, HC could be a one-hit-wonder with one film, but he needs to be consistent. Personally, I don't see it, and he's had more chances than most actors.

All of those movies listed above were poorly written and directed . No one could have done a good job. Don't believe me, explain why Bruce Willis and Sigourney Weaver (Weaver was the worst ) were so lifeless in CLOD? Why did Ben Affleck and everyone else suck in BvS ? I actually thought every one was great in JL. My point is, Henry Cavill needs a good script to work with. It also wouldn't hurt if he worked with a director who knew what he/she was doing.

If HC isn't able to be convincing as a 3D character, with a good script, and a good director, then and only then would I say that he can't carry a movie.

@Salt-and-Limes said:

@Poetist said:

Immortals, MOS, BvS, CLOD, and MFU. Surely, HC could be a one-hit-wonder with one film, but he needs to be consistent. Personally, I don't see it, and he's had more chances than most actors.

All of those movies listed above were poorly written and directed . No one could have done a good job. Don't believe me, explain why Bruce Willis and Sigourney Weaver (Weaver was the worst ) were so lifeless in CLOD? Why did Ben Affleck and everyone else suck in BvS ? I actually thought every one was great in JL. My point is, Henry Cavill needs a good script to work with. It also wouldn't hurt if he worked with a director who knew what he/she was doing.

They may have been poorly written, but it doesn't mean the actor couldn't elevate his/her performance over what was written. I do know that LE was hired for Dracula Untold from his performance from Immortals.

If HC isn't able to be convincing as a 3D character, with a good script, and a good director, then and only then would I say that he can't carry a movie.

As a soap fan, I guess I can see pass the poo to see a good performance.

With that said, I think we're both comparing apples and oranges. We need to reconsider the new landscape and how superhero/action films don't need a star.

We know HC's recent flicks have been playing Superman, and that role hasn't done anything for the actors playing Supes.

I think that's because the superhero is the brand, while the actor is interchangeable. Playing Supes kept HC with a salary, but in today's age the SUPERHERO is the star. If the movie is a hit, there will be name recognition for the star and an increase in salary.

But really. . .

Studios don't really need actors to carry films. They just need a body to slap on a costume and say some lines.

In big action flicks like Fast & Furious, they just need to have big crazy stunts. When Paul Walker died, they had other bodies to slide in place, and when Daniel Craig steps down as Bond, the franchise will continue as long as the true star -- the action -- is present.

If HC desires to be in these big budget flicks, he will never carry this type of movie, since studios aren't interested in banking the success of their Superhero/action film on a star.

@Poetist said:

@Salt-and-Limes said:

@Poetist said:

Immortals, MOS, BvS, CLOD, and MFU. Surely, HC could be a one-hit-wonder with one film, but he needs to be consistent. Personally, I don't see it, and he's had more chances than most actors.

All of those movies listed above were poorly written and directed . No one could have done a good job. Don't believe me, explain why Bruce Willis and Sigourney Weaver (Weaver was the worst ) were so lifeless in CLOD? Why did Ben Affleck and everyone else suck in BvS ? I actually thought every one was great in JL. My point is, Henry Cavill needs a good script to work with. It also wouldn't hurt if he worked with a director who knew what he/she was doing.

They may have been poorly written, but it doesn't mean the actor couldn't elevate his/her performance over what was written. I do know that LE was hired for Dracula Untold from his performance from Immortals.

Or sometimes an actor just have what the director is looking for. Alexander Skarsgard acted all drunk and rowdy in a football match, his antics caught by some on video. He thought that was the end of his career... Instead one director thought it showed his primal side and cast him for Tarzan, while another thought it was what he was looking for to cast him in the role of a corrupt alcoholic cop in War on Everyone.

If HC isn't able to be convincing as a 3D character, with a good script, and a good director, then and only then would I say that he can't carry a movie.

Isn’t Guy Ritchie considered a good director by some? (Personally, I dislike him, but he had some success in his films.)

The best script HC ever had was from The Tudors, but he hasn’t had any luck too much after that.

But then again, what is a good script? This is almost rhetorical — James Cameron’s Titanic won lots of awards yet my scriptwriting professor think it’s shyte. The Shape of Water won a lot of awards too, yet there had been murmurs it plagiarised a foreign short film and another one. Most people who go to the movies love the summer popcorn flicks but none of them win any awards, but people still love those movies. Personally, the best scripts I’ve been seeing so far are mostly on TV.

Studios don't really need actors to carry films. They just need a body to slap on a costume and say some lines.

If HC desires to be in these big budget flicks, he will never carry this type of movie, since studios aren't interested in banking the success of their Superhero/action film on a star.

Preach! It’s been said these days people go for the concept of the movie rather than the star (heck, kids love Groot and he’s not even real). However, there are some exceptions... Ryan Reynolds was down on his luck for a while after starring in dud after dud. Yet, he really worked hard to push Deadpool and market it, and voila he’s been doing well again. It helps that his social media is actually funny and quite smart compared to the bland stuff I’ve seen from HC’s. (Geez, the moustache seemed to be the biggest highlight...)

@ToniTurnyne said:

@Poetist said:

If HC desires to be in these big budget flicks, he will never carry this type of movie, since studios aren't interested in banking the success of their Superhero/action film on a star.

Preach! It’s been said these days people go for the concept of the movie rather than the star (heck, kids love Groot and he’s not even real). However, there are some exceptions... Ryan Reynolds was down on his luck for a while after starring in dud after dud. Yet, he really worked hard to push Deadpool and market it, and voila he’s been doing well again.

Yes, Ryan Reynolds was dead in the water. Perhaps, being dead was how he found Deadpool to produce. Otherwise, he wasn't getting any starring roles if he didn't find roles for himself, but it took him ten years to get that greenlit. I think his portrayal of Deadpool made him a household name, because he wrote something different for his movie, in that he wrote it dirty. That made it one of the first superhero movies to be rated R.