Oh Good - now all we need to wait for is the inevitable return of Ceyda and her madness to put the kibosh on that. I CANNOT see Beserk marrying anybody. Or if he does - Ceyda will kill Esra - this is a car crash waiting to happen!. I am still wondering when Beserk is going to tell Sevdet he has a new niece - can you imagine his reaction to that? I don't think that Beserk will tell anyone about what Sule did - it would make it impossible for her to stay there and he obviously doesn't want her to leave. Have you noticed Cevdets hair recently? It started off long and somewhat curly and fairish - now it's short and dark. It looks better though. I had to laugh at Azeyes following Suna is that completely unnoticeable bright green car. I hope that they resolve that case soon - I hate same crime investigations that go on for months - particularly when we know who the villain is. It's getting on for midnight now and I am tired. I'll resume watching tomorrow afternoon and make more comments in the evening probably. And to think - I was considering abandoning this show round about episode 7 !!!

I knew it was late there. Surprised to see your response. I hope you got your sleep. I will check on 59 now I guess. I don't want you getting too far ahead of me again.

Yeah, drinking and driving doesn't seem to be a big deal there, so long as you don't get in a wreck I suppose. Even then, I'll bet they still don't worry too much unless you're obviously drunk. I don't know. In real life I am sure they test you. Insurance companies would insist upon it. You would think that it being a Muslim culture they would be more strict about it. I bet in modern day Turkey they are more strict about it since they have that religious guy Erdogan or whatever his name is. He seems to be enforcing more strict ideas on the people. I know I wouldn't do any drinking if I visited there. I think I would take a class on how to act if I were to visit one of those countries. I wouldn't want one of those crazy bastards running up and stabbing me or hitting me with a brick because I insulted his family or his wife or something, by something I did without knowing it.

Serket will do backflips when he learns Sule is his niece. He will pester Behzat and Sule to death about who her mother is. I doubt they will tell him about that any time soon. They will need to get their stories straight beforehand. Serket is an unstoppable force when he gets going. You need a dart gun and horse tranquilizers to handle him.

They will need to keep Ceyda in the nuthouse til she gets her sanity back and starts hating Behzat again. Esra should be able to have her committed again if they let her out. lol. Starting 59, the whole gang is seated at a restaurant and Behzat tells them why they are gathered there. He and Esra have decided to get married. There is a stunned silence for an uncomfortable period of time before it sinks in on Serket and he jumps up and starts hugging Behzat and Esra, then the other congratulate him. Moron and Eda are looking at each other, both of them checking the other and looking away.

Memduh shoots someone in the leg to get a contract bid figure. So that mafia thing is happening. His bosses have a company called SAHRA HOLDING

Serket gives his outlook on marriage, failed and successful, and determines that marriage is a good thing and worth doing. blah blah blah.

The good thing about Eda and Moron is that it gives guys all over the world hope. Watching this show they are thinking: "hold on, if that moron can get the girl, there is hope for me".

Sule and Eda talk. Sule asks why Harun? Eda says "I think I've overestimated myself. I always thought he should be handsome and smart."

So there we have it. Her reasoning for wanting Harun. She decided to lower her standards.

What a critical mistake. At some point in the not too distant future she will come to realize just how low she has set the bar. When she begins to spend time around that idiot she will witness, first hand, the kindergarten washout intellect of the man she has chosen to father her children. And then, the horror of her mistake will hit her like a freight train. She will run screaming, with that big boned, doofus chasing after her, yelling that she has to love him, that it's not fair. Selim got two chances. Come back.

And she will run like the wind.

OMG, Eda is delusional now. She told Sule that Harun is handsome and smart. I just hope she gets to know him better before she lets this thing go too far. With the least bit of encouragement, Moron will propose to her. What a disaster.

Second comment. episodes 59 and 60 and 61

Behzat's boss, Tahsin seems to be upset now that Behzat is making connections between Tekin and Memduh, and the most recent murder case. (Is there pressure on him to stop that connection being made?)

Behzat made everyone leave the office, went into his own office and started drinking, and then had a four way conversation with himself. You'll see what I mean. He hallucinates three more of himself, and he is discussing the case amongst them all. Damn, now a fifth Behzat walks in the office and joins the conversation. Esra needs to know about this before she gets hitched. If she isn't into orgies then it could be a deal breaker. There is a whole crowd of Behzats in that room now. (Later the 5 Behzat's discuss his imminent marriage and whether they really want to do it or not. The vote comes in 3 to 2 in favor of getting married.)

Creepy grandpa is still stalking Suna and saw her with the daughter of one of her victims. Aziz is talking to her now. She is a druggy. She suspects Suna is the killer. Aziz follows the girl, Cicek or something and talks to her. She says Suna killed her dad. Aziz follows Suna into a warehouse. He confronts her about being the killer. She pulls her pistol and cuffs him to a tank. She explains about her sister and promises not to kill any more men. Somehow, this seems to be good enough for Aziz. They go talk to Cicek to convince her she is wrong about Suna being the killer. But she can't be convinced. Cicek escapes and they can't find her. But a witness saw Aziz kidnap the girl (before she escaped) and describes him to Behzat. Now he is going to have CSI check his place for her fingerprints. This is a bizarre turn of events. Aziz is now protecting Suna, and he is guilty now of kidnapping a woman who was going to tell on Suna. Both of them will be arrested soon, I think. update: we see the girl tied up in some warehouse or somewhere, and a man walks in, can't see his face, and he apparently stabs her to death. So now when she is found, people will suspect Aziz, since he was seen taking the girl and her prints will be in his place. Will he rat on Suna to clear his name? He may suspect her of killing the girl to keep her from telling them she is the finger cutter killer. Really bizarre. Someone else killed that girl, I am sure. It didn't look like Aziz or Suna.

Episode 60 about the wedding musicians and the dead groom is really a comedy of stupidity. The two musicians make Huran look like a member of Mensa. The main thing in it of interest is that Cevdet gets drunk and makes an ass of himself at a wedding where he meets Asli's mother, and doesn't make a good impression on her.

Episode 61 is mostly about Behzat and Esra getting married. But Behzat solves a murder in about 2 minutes also. He is at the barber, just sitting down for his trim when he hears gunshots and runs out and down the street. He sees a guy backing away from a shop with a shotgun, firing away. He runs out of ammo, drops the weapon, and begins running away. Behazat steps out and kicks him to the ground. The on scene interrogation was a little funny. One kid won't give up another kids ball, so he slaps him. Then the mother slaps that kid, then a man slaps the mother, than a grandmother slaps the man, and another man slaps the grandmother. That was too much dishonor so this guy went and started shooting up a coffee shop full of people.

Another murder was solved. A man was stabbed to death, and in the next room a sex doll was stabbed. They found that the owner of the sex doll walked in to find another man screwing his sex doll. He was enraged and committed a double honor killing, the man and the doll.

I don't know who is writing the past few episodes. I mean I think they must have brought in some new writers or something. It is starting to become absurd, and silly at times. The wedding scenes looked like the whole cast was just having fun. They used the red VW as the wedding car and showed scenes of them driving through Ankara to the theme song of Behzat.

Vulture's dad shows up at work and shouts at him "long hair, earing, you're a fag" or something like that. And Vulture wants to beat up his dad but they hold them apart and throw his dad out. Weird scene. Vulture is shown walking alone with a stern look on his face after the wedding.

Cevdet got a helium balloon and a ring. He wants to propose to Asli. He goes to her house late at night and calls her to come to the window. He lets go the balloon with the ring attached and tells her to catch it, but it rises away from the window and she can't catch it. I saw that coming. Cevdet has to shoot the balloon to save the ring.

I mean, honest to God, who the hell would buy an expensive engagement ring and tie it to a helium balloon?

Moron has another talk with Eda, and apologizes for being a dick. And asks her to be his girlfriend. She says yes. She would like to try. Right then he gets a call that someone is shooting at his house! So he and Eda go racing to his house and pull up just as Cevo, who has retrieved the punctured balloon and ring now, is on bended knee proposing to Asli. After a big scene, and after Eda asks him to let Cevo propose, he tells him to bring his family to propose, which is the custom there. Asli is thrilled now.

Ok - it is 4.15pm and I have been watching this since this morning !! I am now about 15 mins into Ep 62. I thought that wedding musos episode was a farce - mind - knowing musos for all of my life I KNOW their attitude to money!! It is only exceeded by their attitude to sex - closely seconded by food - ask any member of a wedding speciality band - they are at the buffet before the guests!! I think the writers have mad half hours sometimes - they get fed up with writing drama and veer into comedy territory - I think our sense of humour is different to that of middle eastern folk. So Beserk got married - it hasn't seemed to stop his hallucinations - they make a big play of him taking his wedding ring off and talking to Sule - and then Sule talking to Resa and it's all in his mind - but nothing further happens to explain why this is happening - are we supposed to take this as his inner fears? What do you think of Azeyes grandson? I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when he described head butting another child in the playground - a psychopath in the making. Why do we never see his mother? I still don't get why Suna and Azeyes are so close - they act like they are related. Now he knows that she is the killer he is in a dilemma because she is his "friend" - since when? We see somebody stab Cicek - now you and I see things differently here - I didn't think it was a man - it was a very dark scene but I thought I saw leathers and a helmet - I assumed it was "I will never kill again" Suna. She HAS to - it is either her or Cicek - and who else has any motive to kill her? I doubt Suna will stop killing - she has the taste for it now - and there are always plenty of abusers to choose from. She trusts Azeyes and he is not an abuser - but will he say something that will make him a threat to her - in which case his eyes will be permanently closed. (Thank God) Can Azeyes trust her not to kill again? Is he that stupid? Anyway - Beserk now knows that it was him who took away Cicek - surely he will be removed from the investigation. That whole helium balloon stunt was the brainchild (no - that can't be right) the idea of a moron - he should have had two ties to it so he could keep a hold of it in the event of Asli not catching it - but then we wouldn't have had the shots that called Moron back to the house. Eda softened him up though - and he is more open now to the idea of Asli and Cevdet getting married - now he is happy he is willing to allow somebody else to be happy. Selfish pig. Oh Eda - you should have stayed with TC - he is a hundred times the guy Moron is in every way !! Now foolish girl - she is having breakfast with Moron and he wants to tell everybody and she wants to tell nobody. We don't have to wonder why - who would want the world to know you are dating a cretin? Anyway he says he wants just one person to tell at least - so she agrees and he chooses - guess who - Cevdet. Later in the toilets he demands that Cevdet tells - guess who - Selim.. How big a fool is Moron? The relationship that he has longed for for years in just starting in tiny baby tentative steps - so what does he do? Immediately breaks his word to her. Does he think that Selim will say "OK Bro" and go about his business calmly? He is still in love with Eda and his rage will take him straight to her office and a confrontation with Moron - Eda will leave in tears and Moron is toast whilst Selim who has proven his love for her by fighting will go straight to her house and they will make up. Have you noticed how they have toned down the violence towards women recently? It still happens - but not so often - it seemed like it was every episode for weeks. Vulture has confronted his father who raped his girlfriend but wimped out and puked when it came to killing him - and I think it is Suna has made a pass at Ghost who has responded - I don't think it was the journalist woman. When I am tired I miss some scenes and it was dark in the street so I didn't see her clearly. Esra's mother did not seem too pleased at all with her marrying Beserk - I don't suppose you can blame her - Esra is very classy and Beserk is a roughneck. I wondered why he didn't have enough money to pay the two month tab in their café - it is obvious now - he bought the engagement ring. There is some stuff going on now about corruption in some construction company - I am quite bored with it. As you rightly forecast - Sevket was jumping for joy when he learned he had a niece - wait until he knows he would have had two if not for Sule. I am still wondering if she is going to be allowed to get away with murder? I am still not convinced she is his daughter although she might believe she is. At least Sevket, for all his nonsense, said the most sensible thing so far - DNA.

I should have backed it up and watched it again to study the gait, the size, and other features which give an indication of the gender, age, etc. of the knife killer of Cecik, or whatever her name is. I didn't though so am left with my sleepy impression that it was a man with a knife. Not that that matters. We thought a man threw Berna over the railing and it was apparently Sule.

Suna couldn't make herself kill Aziz before he decided to protect her. And her main motivation for killing is to target male abusers. She doesn't like to kill innocent people, and so far she has not. Still, the desire to stay out of jail is a strong motivator. But they show us Suna somewhat frantic to find the girl, and her face gives no indication that she is only acting as though she thinks she is missing, instead of dead. The writers could be throwing us a curve ball on this of course. The other times she is hiding something, her face and actions reveal to the viewers that she is hiding, that she is acting. But you're right, she could be the killer. And her frantic search for the girl may be an act meant to fool the viewer, setting up the surprise. Could be. But I am betting not. It would be too big of a character change for her, and they have invested a lot in that character by now. She has something on a personal level cooking with Ghost now, though that doesn't matter one way or the other as far as whether she did it. They were both drunk and she kissed him on the mouth; he was quite surprised and then approached and kissed her back. And now he is trying to see if there is something there. ...But my gut feeling is that it is someone else, perhaps someone we will be very surprised at. What about Suna's newly confident, but formerly debilitated sister? She might be motivated to get rid of the girl who would turn in Suna. Or what about the killer from 15 years ago? They think he died and stopped killing. But what if he merely changed his M.O.? What if he noticed what Suna was doing and approves? Maybe he wants to protect her cause he likes her work? I don't know, but I can see this going a few different ways. I think the writers want to give us a bigger surprise than Suna. ...Suna showed us she was primed to keep killing rapists and molesters when she thought she could keep getting away with it. But I wonder if the suddenly imminent prospect of prison, and her deal with Aziz to stay out of prison, is stronger motivation. I don't know what their connection is. Like you, there seemed to be much more than professional camaraderie going on there, something like a familial connection, or maybe a mentor type thing. It is unclear to me what created their bond, but they are in it together now. Aziz's grandson is a little monster. And he is a major vulnerability as well. Old creepy bug eyes talks way too much in front of the little bastard, who has displayed a fair amount of rebelliousness and inclination toward causing Aziz trouble on purpose. He could decide to spill what he knows about the old man just for fun.

Yeah, the writers had a mad half hour alright. What about the "honor killing" of the man and the sex doll? HA. I thought that was a pretty transparent way of saying "these honor killings are a joke; how does one gain honor from committing murder of someone who was simply in love?" The doll owner was in love with his doll, and became enraged when the doll cheated on him with another man. So both the man and the doll had to DIE. That was funny.

Eda was somehow persuaded by Moron's episode of vulnerability and personal pain to see him as someone who would never hurt her like Selim did, and I don't think he would ever cheat on her. BUT...she completely forgot his basic nature, his selfishness, his duplicity, and the way he tries to negotiate to get out of responsibility for his constant tendency to lie. Yes, he agreed with her to only tell one person, and he chose Cevdet because he knew he could use him to leak the info to Selim. And that happened. Selim will confront Eda about it, and he will act every bit the ass he is. He is another of those jackasses who believes he somehow has ownership of Eda simply because he once dated her.

Moron is going to do something else he is infamous for pretty soon. He makes promises he doesn't want to have to make in the moment if he feels he has no choice but to do so. The current example is promising Eda that he will only tell one person that they are starting to date each other. He wanted to tell the whole world, but she wanted them to keep it quiet for a while. And that is understandable. If everyone you work with knows, it is like you are in a fishbowl, with everyone looking and watching you. She wanted them to have a little while for it to be just the two of them sharing their secret.

Here again we see Moron's character flaws illustrated. Two of his biggest are: 1- Extreme selfishness, and 2- Chronic dishonesty. Those are some pretty big ones. Either one of them is a deal breaker.

Moron had to weigh the desires of his loved one, Eda, against his selfish desires. He knew it wouldn't go over well if he refused to consider what she asked of him, so he negotiated and compromised. But he never intended to keep his word on the compromise. He figured that if she never found out he broke his promise, it wouldn't matter. From the very start, he lied and broke his word. But he isn't finished. By now you have probably seen episode 63. Moron has held off telling anyone else for one day now. But what the hell? He wants to brag about dating her. That is more important to him than considering her wishes and keep his word. What a piece of crap he is. He tells Ghost and Vulture. Ghost wants to know why he didn't tell them sooner. Moron says:

"I really wanted to, but she didn't. Eda didn't want me to tell, so I said OK. Then I thought, I've been waiting for this moment for years. Who else could I tell besides you guys? Now I'm doing it."

Yeah, waiting for this moment for years. And the first thing he does is lie to her and break his promise to her. Now watch. When Eda finds out that they all know, it won't take her long to figure out that Moron ran his mouth. And when she speaks to him about it, he will angrily try to lie his way out of that, and he will blame others when his own lies cause his new relationship with Eda to crash and burn. Moron goes on to explain to Ghost and Vulture that he told Cevdet so he could leak to Selim in order to piss him off. What a prince. It should not take long for Eda to tire of Moron.

You and I don't see Selim the same though. I think you will see a different side of Selim soon. After he heard from Cevdet that Eda was dating Moron, he accosted her on the stairwell, grabbed her by the arm and wouldn't let go, and she had to break free. He walked off mumbling she couldn't get away with treating him that way, or something like that. He ruined things with her on his own. And now he has the temerity to act as though she is his, and that she has no business dating Moron. (It's her choice, a mistake this time, but hers to make.)

I wonder if Esra's parents are going to factor into things going forward. She went for a bad boy and they may not approve. Serket wanted to try to whitewash Behzat's rough edges and spots when talking up his brother, but Behzat got irritated with him for it. Behzat is right; here I am with all my faults. What you see is what you get. If I am not up to your standards, let me know. Esra for her part would shut her parents down if they had objected. She knows just what she is getting, warts and all. WAIT, maybe not. I doubt she knows about the 5 different Behzats and their roundtable discussions, or that the vote to marry her was only 3 to 2 in her favor. LOL, She doesn't know how unstable he is, not fully. But she is OK with what she sees, and that should be the end of it.

You are right. There is no proof that Sule is Behzat's daughter. It's a wonder that Behzat has not had her DNA tested at some point. Perhaps he didn't want anyone asking who his relative was in case it said she is his. I would think he could have it done privately and confidentially. I guess he was in the nuthouse for a long time right after he got that news. But afterward, he has had plenty of time to think about it. He didn't trust her much at all for a long time. Why didn't he test her then? At this point he seems to have decided that whomever she is, she thinks she is his. And life has given him a chance to be good to another daughter, and he doesn't want to screw it up this time.

SECOND comment.

I won't be around this evening. Today is my birthday (22,645 days old) and I am going to visit a sister and eat pizza. That's all I wanted for my birthday. LOL

I will be back later, but you will already be sleeping. Pleasant dreams.

I am just starting Ep 63. I don't know if it is the subtitling which frequently gets words wrong or whether Azeyes just dropped a clanger. When he and Suna are at home and he angrily says (paraphrasing here) " All right - it was me - I am the murderer - I cut her" then promptly denies it "Of course I didn't - somebody stole my car - I'm going to get that Bas***d" . At this point her body had not been discovered - so how did he know she had been cut? Suna clarifies their relationship by saying to Ghost that Azeyes is to her what Beserk is to him. So now we know. I think Azeyes did do it - because in his eyes it is either Suna or Cicet - and he chose to save Suna. Now Selim - I am not on his side - I think he is an arrogant cheating wastrel - a guy like him will never change - in his drunken rage has contacted Memduh and asked him to hurt Moron - hmm - don't know how to feel about that - it's about time this bully tasted some of his own medicine. Beserk - after saying Moron could live in his house has now returned to it because he and Esra had a fight and he has caught Eda there when he specifically told Moron no women - Moron it seems has no respect for anyone when it comes to what he wants - so yeah Selim - give it to him good !! Moron was trying to put his arm around Eda and holding her hand etc - you could see that Eda was NOT a happy bunny and I think she is already realising that what she feels for him is pity - not love. You may still have a chance TC - she may turn to you in her hour of need !!! Starting 63 now.

Cevdet is picking up bad habits from Moron. Yesterday he lied to Behzat when he was searching for a place to buy helium. He said he needed to go interview someone in the finger cutter case from 15 years ago. Today he asked him the same thing, and Behzat caught him at it. Cevdet tried to lie to cover up, saying he was doing research on it yesterday. Behzat yelled at him What research? Cevdet just looks him at without speaking.

At first I though Aziz was saying that since the girl was missing for so long they assumed it was murder, and he was angrily saying yes I killed the girl, as in I know that what you're really asking is if I killed her. But you may be right about that. He is a weird old goat and anything is possible with him. I don't think so, but you could have it. I am still expecting something from left field that we wouldn't see coming.

I definitely have to go back and watch the start of 63 again because I missed some of the stuff you talk about. I just heard that Savas fingerprints were found somewhere that needs explaining. And he got into a bar fight the night before with the victim. So Behzat has to go talk to Esra about it. But what Behzat doesn't know is that Selim is working for Memduh, and Memduh is setting up Savas in order to get to Esra. He also thinks that Savas might have stolen money from Serket, because a briefcase is missing. So they are going to frame up Savas to try to get that briefcase back (I don't believe he has it, and Serket doesn't believe he took it, but might change his mind if they do a good frame up), and to try to get leverage over Esra. Selim might have doctored the results to say Savas prints were there. I really cannot stand Selim. Any scumbag who works for the mafia from inside the police department is like a traitor to his nation, selling out his country for money. Hang him by the neck until dead. The writers are off their mad half hour and back to the serious world again. I don't know who will catch Selim. I don't think much of Cevo anymore, so it doesn't matter to me if he redeems himself by catching Selim at his dirty business or not. But someone needs to catch him. Not Moron. We would never hear the end of him beating his chest and praising himself if he did. But there is slight chance of that. Moron hasn't got the mental horsepower to figure it out. Behzat will put it together, most likely.

Come on Eda. Open your beautiful eyes and look at Moron. I will take you out for tea and comfort you on making such a huge mistake.

second comment: Eda questioned Moron and KNEW he was lying! She asked if he told more than just Cevdet, and Moron instinctively lied and said no.

"Who knows we are dating?"

Moron: "What do you mean?" (classic liar move. He was uncomfortable lying straight to her face so he pretended not to understand the question.)

Eda: "Just Cevdet, right?"

Moron: "Yeah, I only told Cevdet.......Why?" (She can see he is worried.)

Eda: "Are you sure?"

Moron: "Of course I am." (no conviction in his voice.) Eda smiles and looks to the side.

Moron asks "what is it?"

Eda: "Nothing"

Moron: "No, it's not nothing. Tell me."

She said "don't lie to me Harun",

and he lied and said "No, I'm not... why would I lie?"

He knew he was busted so he added "I told Vulture and Ghost, too, but..."

Eda pulls back in shock, mouth open. "You told Ghost and Vulture?"

Moron "But why are...Yeah, I did."

Eda turns to Vulture "Vulture do you know about it?"

He says "about?"

Moron "Bastard couldn't keep it shut. She's asking me if I told you guys about us dating!"

Vulture says "Shut the hell up, you idiot. I didn't say a word to anyone."

Eda has not dumped him...yet. I guess she expected this to happen. But time will tell.

Eda tells him she specifically asked him.

He says you knew from the beginning that I wanted to tell everyone. You don't want me to share my happiness. Eda tells him she is completely missing her point. ..She is being too generous. He is intentionally missing her point. He lies and does whatever he wants anyway. That is him in a nutshell. And she will see it eventually.

I have just watched ep 64 but whenever it says 10 months earlier or some such time period - I immediately start to ff - and then strangely enough nothing makes much sense to me. We see Berna's grave with a pair of eyes hidden beneath some foliage and then it cuts to the gang realising that Beserk has gone to Berna's grave and they rush to the cemetery. It then cuts to Beserk walking unsteadily down the road and eventually collapsing unconscious in the road - and then a car driven by his now dead best mate Tekin who is on the phone saying he wants to report a crime. Then cut to Beserk in prison watching cockroaches on the wall again. I couldn't be bothered. This episode is boring - Savas was kidnapped by Memduh because he thought he had stolen a briefcase (bag actually)from Sevket's desk that was full of money - doesn't Sevket have a safe or at least a lockable drawer? Anyway - it wasn't Savas - it was his mate. Beserk and Resa have a meeting outside with Memduh and Savas tells them the story of the money and Memduh accepts this and lets him and his mate go - he only wanted to make Esra stop investigating the business conspiracy anyway and now it has been taken off her in any case. Sevket goes to see Funda and sees Bahsri (the guy with the beard and the black earrings who had the car accident where the money was pinched originally) leaving the clinic and confronts her with it but she says he is a patient and she can't discuss it with him. Moron has been beaten up by Selim and his cohorts - it is sickening to watch his mother spoon feed him in the hospital - I bet she wouldn't dream of doing that for Asli. There is something quite repulsive about his mother and her degree of willing slavering slavery to him. He leaves the hospital and after going home first ends up in Beserks old house where he manipulates Eda to come over and heat up some packet soup for him - she then proceeds to spoon feed him also ---- this is too much for me to watch so I ff again. There is some footage which I think Suna has messed with which supposedly shows that Azeyes was not driving the car so he has been released. I don't know how she managed that - I think she sent the footage to the same guy who did the snake animation and he photoshopped the hands shown on the steering wheel. I have no idea what the ten months previous was in aid of - if it revealed anything amazing. You are a more patient watcher than I am so maybe you can tell me !!

Expanding my previous thought: Eda tells him she is completely missing her point. ..But He is intentionally missing her point and changing the issue. She tried to get him to address the issue of his lying to her, of how he tried to get away with lying until he saw she knew he was lying. He didn't miss her point, he wanted to change the subject: "let's not talk about me lying, instead let me accuse you of unfairly wanting to keep me from sharing my happiness." He is circling back around to the position he compromised on in the beginning. He wants to tell everyone, and she wanted to keep it secret for a while. He agreed, then did what he wanted anyway, and now wants her to feel guilty for wanting to keep it quiet. He got away with it this time, because they are still in the new couple phase when each other's little faults are overlooked, and then he got mugged and hospitalized. So for now she won't press him on it. But he will continue to do the same thing. She knows he flat out lied. She won't find it so easy to overlook or excuse that habit of his in the future.

Selim didn't punish Moron by mugging him. He helped him. This will drive Eda closer to him, and make her overlook his faults for a while longer. Sometimes a girl will fall for a guy and become almost oblivious to his glaring faults. If Selim wanted to punish Moron, he failed. Eda is talking to him while he is unconscious, and he is unable to lie to her. Scratch that, he is awake now. I wonder if she got extra pay for these episodes where she is dating Moron, as an actress I mean. Soldiers get hazardous pay bonuses for combat duty. You noticed Eda starting to show interest in Moron long before I did. You saw something in the way she looked at Larissa for instance, and you saw something in the way she talked to him in the office. I thought she was suspicious of Larissa because she had heard about her through Behzat or something. And I thought she was just trying to be a good friend to someone she works with when Moron suffered through Larissa's troubles. But you picked up on her. I guess she is a good actress, the girl who plays Eda, since she could give those signals that other women would notice and pick up on. I imagine Larissa would have noticed them also, yes? Women read things about each other that men completely miss, I suppose. I can usually tell when a girl is attracted to me, or at least I can sometimes. I suppose I miss many of the cues. I recall once a photographer took a photo of several people eating at a lunch table. He showed it to me later. The photo showed this girl looking at me with dreamy eyes, obviously smitten with me. But when I was looking at her, of course, she didn't have that look, and I wasn't aware she felt like that. I was a young man then. Major Tahsin is absolutely giddy about his new Jeep when he tells homicide they just got two new cars. He looks like a kid almost. Cevdet adds his congratulations after the others, but he sounds like an ass kisser, and Tahsin basically tells him so. It seems fitting that Cevo is going to marry into Moron's family. He is picking up some of Moron's traits, like his rudeness to people, and his tendency to lie at times. He is nowhere near as bad as Moron on any score. But it's a shame he doesn't have someone else to mentor him.

Suna meets Aziz at the jailhouse and he tells her he is going nuts inside and to hurry up and get him out of there. She tells him they are working hard to find the culprit, that nobody believes it is him. He wants some boxer underwear, not briefs. He is a strange one.

You're right that this show doesn't say much about Turkish culture in many ways. There is the issue of how they treat women for one. And the tendency to justify violence for various reasons, like honor killings. And I just watched a scene where a bunch of family members of a patient attacked and beat up a doctor after someone died. The man was 80 years old, and was brain dead when he was admitted to the hospital. They couldn't save him, so the family surrounded and beat the doctor, kicking him while he was down. To me, that speaks to a lower level of intelligence. It is so stupid that it is almost funny. Try to imagine the sort of person to whom such action makes sense, or seems justified. Actually, Moron springs to mind. But this show is full of examples of people who think it makes perfect sense to beat someone, stab them, or shoot them, over the slightest offense or imagined wrong. It wouldn't be funny at all if I had to live among people like that. But from a distance, sometimes these scenes just strike me as funny. Certain kinds of stupidity can be hilarious. About that family that beat the doctor, the doctor who told Behzat about it actually said "it happens all the time". LOL

10 months before Those "eyes in the bushes" were Behzat's eyes. The dark background and his dark clothing made it hard to tell, but he was lying on his side on top of Berna's grave, and probably there were also flowers or something around him there. He was in one of his deeply depressed states I think. This was him right after he found Sule there, untied her and let her go. Then he lay down there in a stupified state for a while. Then they show the team, worried for him, looking for him, worried that if Excrement revealed who killed Berna that he would shoot that person. They figure out that he is probably at Berna's gravesite and hurry there. By the time they have arrived Behzat has risen from her grave and is stumbling along until he collapses on the roadway. That is where Tekin comes upon him. Out of compassion for his friend, he makes a call "reporting a crime" anonymously, sending recue to his location to give him medical aide. OK, why did they include this and other ten months before flashbacks in this episode? I could not figure that out either.

Moron's mother enables, defends, excuses, spoils, and ruins him. I can't stand her. Moron could drop his pants and defecate on the living room rug while whining "Mom I'm too tired to go to the bathroom". Asli would scream and call him a disgusting pig, but his mother would tell Asli "Be quiet, your brother works hard and looks out for you. Get some toilet paper and cleaning supplies, wipe his butt, clean the carpet, and stop being so critical of your brother. " Then she would check on Moron "Do you want a pillow Harun? Shall I bring a mattress for you so you can rest on the floor?" Moron: "Not THAT pillow, I want the other one, it's softer. And tell Asli to use warm soapy water on me before she wipes."

WHOOPS! Suna and Ghost were talking and she told him about seeing a victim get better, feel safe and relaxed finally after her abusers were dead. Ghost asked her "Are you defending the killer?"

And Suna said: "I'm not defending her."

Did you catch it? Her. I'm not defending her. Ghost didn't catch it. Or perhaps he thought she just mixed her words around, and said her because she still had the victim in her mind. Anyway, he didn't pay any attention to Suna's calling the killer "her", if he noticed at all. But he might have noticed, and it is the kind of detail that, when added to others, can wind up pointing the finger at Suna. Suna spent a lot of time trying to feel Ghost out on Feride and her husband, and whether he feels some people need to be dead. Ghost won't bite, and anyway, is not a vigilante like she is.

Eda is a giving person, a caring person, and enjoys being the nurturing girlfriend, for now. But that selfish, lying, grinning, rude, bastard will screw up with her. Maybe then Behzat will beat him and put him back in the hospital.

Oh - I didn't miss much with that 10 months ago flashback then - do you suppose this is just padding or will it have some relevance in the future? I am about to start ep 65 a bit later - where are you? I did not catch that "I'm not defending her" response from Suna - but even if I had I would probably have assumed it could have been a subtitling mistake because they mix up genders all the time. Oh - it's another ghost then? Suna's sister is dead!!! I didn't suspect that - but fair play we couldn't be expected to. It's about time now for the finger cutting killer to be revealed and for Azeyes to sod off back where he came from - I am sick to my soul of that creepy old git. He is retired - he has no authority - he has a heart condition - at best he could be a consultant - instead he is off on his own working in the field and not telling anybody anything - he is a liability. That spidery glove gesture he keeps making is seriously getting on my nerves. Yes - women do pick up on other women more than men do - maybe guys are the same with other guys though. I bet you have missed a LOT of opportunities for this failure to spot certain signals. I used to love what you call "body English" I believe - we call it body language programs. It is so interesting. Apparent if you are sitting opposite a woman and she points her foot towards you then she is interested in you !! That will give you something to mull over when you are sitting close to a woman next time !! You have put another picture in my head with Moron's pooping on the living room floor!! lol. You are right about Selim helping him of course - but at least he beat the living poop out of him - so that's some comfort. I too pity that poor actress ( she is a good actress - she conveys feelings with expressions very well) having to pretend she is in love with that clodhopper. The character Eda though - how long is she going to mistake pity and competitiveness for love? We have to excuse her because she is on the rebound from Selim - she is feeling hurt and humiliated and worthless - her self esteem must be at zero - no wonder she is not thinking straight. This is where muslim culture can work in her favour (are you listening TC!!) Moron can barely hold hands with her for months and months - now that they are a couple he HAS to respect her and treat her according to muslim tradition. He cannot sleep with her (that baby can't be his then Thank God!) they will have to marry for that unthinkable event to take place - so that gives her a very long time to heal her wounds from Selim - regain her self worth and realise the monstrous mistake she is making. The only problem for you TC is that when this happens - one of them will have to leave the office - and Eda has done this once already . I am amazed that they allowed Beserk to be happily married - he now appears to have forgiven Sule and she is back to being her ditzy missy self - "You're a better man than I am - Gunga Din" That would not be an option for me. I just can't see it continuing though - something awful is going to happen - I can feel it - probably to Esra. Ohhh - Vulture - they have given him a love interest - I thought it was his father who raped his girlfriend but it seems it was his uncle - he should have shot him when he had the chance - or told Suna about him - sorted. They both agree that they are too emotionally damaged for a sexual relationship but I have heard that one before - two episodes down the line and they will be at it like rabbits !!

Ohhh - I missed the post about it being your birthday - I have just scrolled back and seen it - A somewhat belated Many Many Happy returns of the day!!! I hope you had a great time with your sister and enjoyed the pizza !!

I'm trying to watch episode 65 now. Hard to pay attention this morning. Eda had to pay the bill at a fancy eatery because Moron didn't have the funds in his bank account. Typical. They all went to Larissa's former club to see if someone there may have attacked Moron, and they got into a small fracas with a couple of waiters. Is Suna's sister dead? When did that happen? I recall her asking Suna if Ghost would accept her, and asking if Suna liked Ghost. Suna didn't answer her. I am still waking up this morning. ....I wondered if they were setting up something with the 10 months before flashbacks, reminding us of that stuff to set up other stuff. We will see, but that was my best guess

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finished watching episode 65. I guess you have by now.

Now we find out about Funda. Serket was not convinced about her and found out she never went to the university she said she came from. Resat introduced her to Serket when Behzat needed a shrink, saying she was the best. She was upset when Behzat didn't want to talk to her and wanted Serket to convince him to see her. Looks like this was how Big Brother wanted to keep tabs on Behzat. Serket has no guile, shouts she's a spy,tells Behzat let me ask her who she is working for, then she'll see! Behzat tells him to calm down and let him investigate her. Serket is pretty hot headed and stupid at times. He knows next to nothing but wants to question Funda? She can just come up with more lies that he won't be able to refute. Serket would wast the advantage they now have. She doesn't know that they know. Serket probably won't be able to hold it together and Funda will notice he is acting differently. Behzat says act like nothing is different.

At Suna's place, Ghost opened a coffee table book and found a photo of Suna's sister, and Suna freaked out. She wouldn't talk about her sister to Ghost. This is another clue which will tip Ghost off eventually to what Suna is up to. Maybe you're right. Maybe her sister is dead. Suna is the only one who ever sees her or talks to her. Suna tells Ghost her sister is studying, but gets weird when he asks more about her, so he leaves. HOLY SHIT, you're right. The sister is a ghost. There is a scene where she stands at the end of the couch and talks to Suna. Ghost should be able to see her but he doesn't see or hear her. Suna tells her sister to leave. Ghost hears her and says "I'm leaving." The ghost turns to Ghost and tells him 'don't leave, I'll talk to my sister' but of course, Ghost cannot hear her. Then Suna says "Ghost, don't leave." Ghost stops tying his shoes, totally confused by what just happened. So Suna has been motivated to kill because she could see and hear the ghost of her sister, who was in pain apparently. Does the sister ghost want Suna to continue her killing? At one point she seemed concerned when she thought Suna was going to keep killing bad men. But maybe I was wrong about that. It seems the ghost thinks Ghost might be a good guy, and a potential member of the team. They know he helped Faride, though Ghost steadfastly denies doing so.

Vulture met with his old girlfriend who tells him never to come around anymore, that seeing his face only reminds her of his uncle. Vulture told her he loves her, but she rebuffs him saying he never wants to see his face again. He says Fuck you and goes drinking alone. But she comes back and finds him in the restaurant, sits down and puts her head on his shoulders. So maybe she is healing some, softening to him now. Still a rocky road ahead, but Vulture has his old girlfriend back in his life now.

Esra Behzat and Sule look at the wedding photos Elif took. Sule is officially part of the family now, if not before. Behzat sees something in a photo and makes a phone call.