@AnnaB said:

This is what I think happened.

We know that ZS is a big fan of BM. Like many comic geeks, he grew up dreaming about BM fighting SM. So when he was done with MOS and nobody knew who SM’s next adversary would be, he saw that as an opportunity to bring it up at the water cooler. Nothing wrong with that. Comic geeks everywhere talk about things like that at the water cooler, in the cafeteria, on the toilet, in the library and so on. LOL

But everything changed when MOS got mixed reviews and didn’t reach one billion $ as WB foolishly predicted. So ZS’s childhood wet dream suddenly was taken seriously. WB needed to add a popular hero to the SM sequel to reach that one billion mark. And who better than the beloved BM to help achieve that. So ZS had to find a way to add BM to the sequel to be SM’s adversary. By doing so, he forgot a few things.

• SM surrendered to the humans and let them hand him over to the Kriptonians.
  
• SM fought against an army of Kryptonians to defend Earth.
  
• SM continued to help people in all kinds of disasters, after the alien invasion.

Excuse me, but why did BM hate SM? BM said that “if there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty.” But what did SM do to confirm that one percent? If SM wanted to rule or destroy Earth, why did he fight his own people to protect it?

But let’s ignore all that, shall we? BM must fight SM. That’s ZS’s wet dream.

Now, with WB willing to add BM to the SM franchise and ZS’s weird ideas from his BM wet dreams, it was easy for him to come up with a three film plan and make BM the lead. Remember, JL was supposed to be part 1 and 2. Why is ZS suddenly saying he had a five film plan, is a mystery. Or maybe I should add the BM solo, SS, WW and Aquaman to the master plan? LOL

Excuse me, but why did BM hate SM? BM said that “if there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty.” But what did SM do to confirm that one percent? If SM wanted to rule or destroy Earth, why did he fight his own people to protect it?

Let’s not forget Lex’s dumbass schemes, shall we? Go on.

@Gone_Man said:

Let’s not forget Lex’s dumbass schemes, shall we? Go on.

It was so stupid that I can’t even remember it well. I think the plan was to frame SM for the killings in some village and for the bombing of a government building.

• SM helps people all over the world. Why would he kill poor people in a village with bullets?
• It was on the news that the guy in the wheelchair, who was about to testify against SM, was the suicide bomber.

There was something about branding prisoners too, but I think that was meant to make SM dislike BM.

@Jim666 said:

Zack Snyder’s vision for the unofficially titled DC Extended Universe (DCEU) was cut short with Justice League. Although the film’s cast and crew repeatedly said that the blockbuster was indeed Snyder’s movie, the final product proved that that sentiment was the furthest thing from the truth.

The Knightmare scene felt out of place for many viewers in Batman V Superman, but it was specifically used to set up the future of the DCEU,

One of the many issues people had with Batman V Superman was that it spent too much time building up the DCEU.

In the Knightmare sequence, Batman walks out onto a desert landscape of what appears to have been Gotham Harbor. Audiences get the full extent of the situation as Batman looks out into the distance, seeing a Gotham City that has been razed to the ground. And judging by the enormous Omega symbol, as well as all the raging firepits off to the side, it’s clear that Gotham – and, presumably, the world – had been terraformed into New Apokolips. All of this was meant to tease the supervillain Darkseid along with Jack Kirby’s Fourth World. Throughout the rest of the sequence, Batman and his ragtag group of rebels attempt to procure Kryptonite to defeat the Man of Steel, but they are, then, betrayed by Superman loyalists, who resemble the Regime Soldiers from the Injustice: Gods Among Us video game.

Barry Allen delivers a message to Bruce as he’s being pulled back into the time stream: “Bruce, listen to me now. It’s Lois. It’s Lois Lane. She’s the key. Am I too soon? Ah… I’m too soon! You’re right about him. You’ve always been right about him. Fear him.

Flash’s message convinced Batman that he was right about Superman all along, but really, the message was, again, hinting at a future in which Superman had become evil under the control of Darkseid. It’s believed that Lois Lane was inevitably supposed to die in Justice League or a future film, which Snyder says would’ve made Superman susceptible to “a certain equation,” such as the Anti-Life Equation (more on this later) – an equation or formula that gives the user complete control over a sentient being, like Superman.

And because Superman became an overlord (after blaming Batman for Lois’ death), The Flash traveled back in time (from the Knightmare timeline) to warn Bruce about fearing Superman and to essentially tell him to prevent Lois’ death. After all, time isn’t set in stone for The Flash. Based on various Batman V Superman dialogue (such as “She was my world” and the “God is dead“)

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-knightmare-plan/

In February, Screen Rant obtained a storyboard from Zack Snyder’s Justice League cut that showed a scene involving Darkseid which was similar to the Knightmare sequence from BvS. In it, Darkseid activates one of the Mother Boxes and devastates the planet – or, at least, Gotham City – thus terraforming it into New Apokolips (a similar plot to the video game Justice League Heroes), complete with the Omega symbol and all. But one thing that stood out even more from the storyboard was that the Mother Box also destroyed the Hall of Justice, which resided inside Wayne Manor.

While all of this was part of another Knightmare-type sequence, it didn’t actually happen to Batman. This time, it happened to Cyborg (via ForSnyderCut). That’s why Cyborg’s weapons system quickly turned on Superman in Heroes Park shortly after the Man of Steel’s resurrection. Cyborg even says, “It’s my armor’s defense system. It’s stronger since the interface; I can’t control it.” After Cyborg interfaced with the Kryptonian ship, his Apokoliptian-based armor saw a future in which Superman ruled over Earth and the armor activated to prevent that. As previously mentioned, the Knightmare sequence from Batman V Superman showed an alternate future in which most of the League are presumed dead and Darkseid and Superman ruled the world, but Cyborg’s premonition would’ve elaborated on that – and it wasn’t the only thing that was supposed to bring Snyder’s vision to life.

If things had gone according to plan, though, Batman V Superman‘s Knightmare sequence would’ve been the ultimate teaser for a multi-film story arc that could’ve encompassed all corners of the shared universe – and that’s clear by what was and wasn’t shown (yet otherwise revealed) in the movie, such as Bruce’s dialogue and Cyborg’s vision. Another thing that was recently (somewhat) confirmed by Zack Snyder was exactly how Darkseid came to control Superman in the Knightmare timeline. Again, following Lois Lane’s death, Superman becomes susceptible to the Anti-Life Equation, but what’s interesting is that the Anti-Life Equation was also teased in Justice League‘s history lesson. In that flashback sequence, the Apokoliptian ships are seen landing on Earth, with a group of symbols appearing under them. While those symbols were thought to have been added for taste, it turns out they were actually part of the Anti-Life Equation. It makes sense since Earth plays an integral role in completing the equation, which is one of the reasons Darkseid has always been obsessed with conquering the planet.

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-knightmare-plan/2/

With one of DC’s biggest bads coming to town, there were bound to be some casualties in the sequel. One of the most recent revelations from Zack Snyder is that Superman’s death in Batman V Superman actually teased even more deaths in Justice League sequel. If audiences look closely in that scene, they can see three crosses in the background.

Considering Snyder’s overuse of religious themes and references, it’s presumable that the crosses referenced the potential deaths of the Trinity – both physically and ideally. As previously mentioned, Knightmare Superman, though alive, was ideally dead (e.g. “God is dead“); the same applies to Batman. In BvS‘ Knightmare sequence, Batman is seen blatantly killing his enemies, perhaps because he had abandoned his ideals by that point. As for Wonder Woman, it’s possible that she was dead since she wasn’t seen or referenced in the sequence at all.

Superman blamed Batman for Lois’ death and he was alive in Batman V Superman‘s sequence. So, by sacrificing himself and beating the Apokoliptian tyrant, Batman could’ve broken the timeline that lead to the Knightmare sequence in BvS.

Overall, this outline would’ve concluded Zack Snyder’s planned DCEU story arc as well as Affleck’s tenure as the Caped Crusader (and given Superman a true story arc from beginning to end), since he didn’t want to play Batman for as many years as his fellow superhero actors played their roles.

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-knightmare-plan/3/

Replace the bold part with this:

Any time a cross is used in a movie, especially a movie by Zack Snyder, knowing the Biblical allegory at play is imperative to understanding the symbolism at play. In this case, the use of 3 crosses is very specific. When Jesus was crucified in the Bible, he was hung on a cross, flanked by 2 other crosses bearing two criminals. One of the criminals began to mock him, suggesting there was no way he could possibly be the son of God because if he was, he would save himself. The other criminal replied to him, saying he had no business mocking Jesus because they were up there for crimes they were rightfully convicted of committing, whereas Jesus was being executed when he had committed no crime, asking “Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” In response, Jesus said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.” This story is an illustration of how nobody is beyond redemption, even in the moment of their death, even a convicted criminal.

• SM is Jesus.
  
• The criminal that doesn't mock is BM.
  
• The other criminal is Lex.
  

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-2-crosses-deaths/

https://screenrant.com/zack-snyder-justice-league-2-crosses-deaths/2/

@AnnaB said:

@Sue-Yin said:

Boring! Another piece of religious or superstitious crap.

ZS explains the meaning of the scene in BvS where the young Bruce Wayne was lifted towards the light by a flock of bats. Ben Affleck’s voice played over it all, saying: “In the dream, they took me to the light. A beautiful lie.”

Yes, please tell me again how Zack Snyder doesn't get Superman/Batman and is just a visualist.

Zack answers to a Q about "..in the dream, they took me to the light. A beautiful lie" line from BvS

https://twitter.com/MrJONA/status/979490305870266368/photo/1?tfw_creator=wgtc_site&tfw_site=wgtc_site&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwegotthiscovered.com%2Fmovies%2Fzack-snyder-batman-v-supermans-opening-meaning%2F

Was ZS in a hurry when he typed that message? When you're in a hurry, typing a long message on your phone may not be a good idea.

This guy also noticed ZS poorly written messages. It turns out ZS is dyslexic.

I felt that these snapshots, in ways both direct and indirect, captured both what’s great and not-so-great about his storytelling style.

• Here you see two messages packed with deep, insightful, ambitious, mythological ideas coming from a man who also clearly knows his comic book history.
  
• But you also see that they’re poorly written. Run-on sentences, missed letters/words, no grammar or punctuation. Kind of just aimless rambles.
  

In a cheeky, and mainly playful way, I felt like these captured what makes Snyder so frustrating to some of us. He’s got brilliant ideas, yet often fumbles when it comes to conveying and executing them clearly.

Shortly after I tweeted that, someone replied with the information that Mr. Snyder was dyslexic, and explained that that is likely why his messages were somewhat incoherently written.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/04/03/rtf-original-heres-what-i-think-of-zack-snyder/

Well, I'll be damned. ZS is dyslexic? You learn something new every day.

@AnnaB said:

This is what I think happened.

We know that ZS is a big fan of BM. Like many comic geeks, he grew up dreaming about BM fighting SM. So when he was done with MOS and nobody knew who SM’s next adversary would be, he saw that as an opportunity to bring it up at the water cooler. Nothing wrong with that. Comic geeks everywhere talk about things like that at the water cooler, in the cafeteria, on the toilet, in the library and so on. LOL

But everything changed when MOS got mixed reviews and didn’t reach one billion $ as WB foolishly predicted. So ZS’s childhood wet dream suddenly was taken seriously. WB needed to add a popular hero to the SM sequel to reach that one billion mark. And who better than the beloved BM to help achieve that. So ZS had to find a way to add BM to the sequel to be SM’s adversary. By doing so, he forgot a few things.

• SM surrendered to the humans and let them hand him over to the Kriptonians.
  
• SM fought against an army of Kryptonians to defend Earth.
  
• SM continued to help people in all kinds of disasters, after the alien invasion.

Excuse me, but why did BM hate SM? BM said that “if there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty.” But what did SM do to confirm that one percent? If SM wanted to rule or destroy Earth, why did he fight his own people to protect it?

But let’s ignore all that, shall we? BM must fight SM. That’s ZS’s wet dream.

Now, with WB willing to add BM to the SM franchise and ZS’s weird ideas from his BM wet dreams, it was easy for him to come up with a three film plan and make BM the lead. Remember, JL was supposed to be part 1 and 2. Why is ZS suddenly saying he had a five film plan, is a mystery. Or maybe I should add the BM solo, SS, WW and Aquaman to the master plan? LOL

I bet you that's exactly how it went. You can clearly see a difference between MOS and BvS/JL.

@Blue-Rose said:

Well, I'll be damned. ZS is dyslexic? You learn something new every day.

It might explain a few hings though. Overuse to overcompensate? Look at how he explained that future Flash is from the nightmare timeline. Open the link to see ZS’s post, before you read how a fan interpreted his post.

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/89zmp5/vero_zack_on_knightmare_flash/

Zack said this was inspired by Nietzsche. He's saying the Flash in the Knightmare is alive and saw Superman metaphorically die. Zack confirmed Lois died in an alternate timeline and Batman is involved some how, hence Superman's "she was my world, and you took her from me." This left Superman susceptible to the Anti-Life Equation and Darkseid's control, which is the reason for "a future where God is dead." I asked Zack how Lois died and he said it was a long story for another time, a double entendre in itself. Man I love this dude.

To go into more detail, "What were we doing when we unchained this earth from its sun," could take two meanings, obviously they represent Clark and Lois, but how so? The Earth could represent Lois and Clark's connection to it. Further, by unchaining the Earth from the Sun, you are killing it, much like what goes on in the Knightmare. u/the_black_panther_ made an excellent point with the Last Son of Krypton being unchained from the Earth, ie Lois. If I recall correctly, Luthor even refers to Clark as the Last Son of Krypton, so it makes even more sense. On the other hand, Clark could be the Earth being unchained to it's anchor and what gives him power ie Lois. So "unchained this earth from its sun" could mean separating Clark and Lois permanently, meaning the death of Lois. Either way, the important aspect of that section is the separation of the Earth and the Sun, which is a metaphor for Clark losing his humanity by having Lois taken from him.

"Flash is the Madman who's time is not yet and Heralds a future where God is dead," explicitly and implicitly stating the Flash is alive in the Knightmare and saw Superman "die", ie Lois' death. The "God is dead" is speaking to Superman losing his humanity when he lost Lois and became "unchained" from his source of nourishment. Further, this left a vacuum in Superman that was replaced, probably unknowingly, by Darkseid and the Anti-Life Equation.

u/TheAdventurousWriter take a read and let me know if you agree Superman is God and Flash witnessed his metaphorical death.

u/the_black_panther_ your analysis seems to be spot on, especially the Last Son of Krypton being unchained from Earth (Lois) leading to the loss of his humanity and replacement by the Anti-Life Equation.

Also please take a look at u/dem0sthene5 explanation. It is quite thorough and adds context to the Nietzsche quote, how Superman has changed, and what it means on a meta level.

@ComicBookGuy said:

This guy also noticed ZS poorly written messages. It turns out ZS is dyslexic.

I felt that these snapshots, in ways both direct and indirect, captured both what’s great and not-so-great about his storytelling style.

• Here you see two messages packed with deep, insightful, ambitious, mythological ideas coming from a man who also clearly knows his comic book history.
  
• But you also see that they’re poorly written. Run-on sentences, missed letters/words, no grammar or punctuation. Kind of just aimless rambles.
  

In a cheeky, and mainly playful way, I felt like these captured what makes Snyder so frustrating to some of us. He’s got brilliant ideas, yet often fumbles when it comes to conveying and executing them clearly.

Shortly after I tweeted that, someone replied with the information that Mr. Snyder was dyslexic, and explained that that is likely why his messages were somewhat incoherently written.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/04/03/rtf-original-heres-what-i-think-of-zack-snyder/

I had no idea he’s dyslexic. I thought he typed his long answer on his phone while in a hurry. You don’t have to be dyslexic for your writing to look awkward.

@Jim666 said:

"Flash is the Madman who's time is not yet and Heralds a future where God is dead," explicitly and implicitly stating the Flash is alive in the Knightmare and saw Superman "die", ie Lois' death. The "God is dead" is speaking to Superman losing his humanity when he lost Lois and became "unchained" from his source of nourishment. Further, this left a vacuum in Superman that was replaced, probably unknowingly, by Darkseid and the Anti-Life Equation.

The only good thing in ZS’s story is Lois's death. But WB won’t kill her now, because they want SM to remain hopeful.

@AnnaB said:

@Jim666 said:

"Flash is the Madman who's time is not yet and Heralds a future where God is dead," explicitly and implicitly stating the Flash is alive in the Knightmare and saw Superman "die", ie Lois' death. The "God is dead" is speaking to Superman losing his humanity when he lost Lois and became "unchained" from his source of nourishment. Further, this left a vacuum in Superman that was replaced, probably unknowingly, by Darkseid and the Anti-Life Equation.

The only good thing in ZS’s story is Lois's death. But WB won’t kill her now, because they want SM to remain hopeful.

A little bit more about Lois’s death.

The Knightmare sequence in Batman v Superman concluded with the Man of Steel capturing the Caped Crusader, blaming the Dark Knight for the death of Lois Lane in the dream before ripping a hole in him. Fans have noted that Batman has a Joker card on his gun in the nightmare, causing many to wonder if the scene is a nod to the Injustice: Gods Among Us video game, in which Superman kills the Joker in a similar manner after the Clown Prince of Crime murdered a pregnant Lois Lane. Now, Snyder has confirmed the Joker easter egg on his official Vero account after being asked about the scene directly by fellow user Judas.

https://heroichollywood.com/batman-superman-joker-zack-snyder/

@ComicBookGuy said:

A little bit more about Lois’s death.

The Knightmare sequence in Batman v Superman concluded with the Man of Steel capturing the Caped Crusader, blaming the Dark Knight for the death of Lois Lane in the dream before ripping a hole in him. Fans have noted that Batman has a Joker card on his gun in the nightmare, causing many to wonder if the scene is a nod to the Injustice: Gods Among Us video game, in which Superman kills the Joker in a similar manner after the Clown Prince of Crime murdered a pregnant Lois Lane. Now, Snyder has confirmed the Joker easter egg on his official Vero account after being asked about the scene directly by fellow user Judas.

https://heroichollywood.com/batman-superman-joker-zack-snyder/

And we thought ZS is the only one with dark vision. Just kill Lois. Why must she be pregnant?

@AnnaB said:

@Gone_Man said:

Let’s not forget Lex’s dumbass schemes, shall we? Go on.

It was so stupid that I can’t even remember it well. I think the plan was to frame SM for the killings in some village and for the bombing of a government building.

• SM helps people all over the world. Why would he kill poor people in a village with bullets?
• It was on the news that the guy in the wheelchair, who was about to testify against SM, was the suicide bomber.

There was something about branding prisoners too, but I think that was meant to make SM dislike BM.

• Why didn't Lois write about what happen? Her job is to interview witnesses and report about it. Only this time, she was a witness.
  
• Why wasn't Lois debriefed?
  
• Why wasn't Python debriefed? He told the CIA agents about civilians in the compound, but they fired the drones anyway. They accused SM of killing people, but they were the ones who fired the drones.

@HCFan said:

@AnnaB said:

@Gone_Man said:

Let’s not forget Lex’s dumbass schemes, shall we? Go on.

It was so stupid that I can’t even remember it well. I think the plan was to frame SM for the killings in some village and for the bombing of a government building.

• SM helps people all over the world. Why would he kill poor people in a village with bullets?
• It was on the news that the guy in the wheelchair, who was about to testify against SM, was the suicide bomber.

There was something about branding prisoners too, but I think that was meant to make SM dislike BM.

• Why didn't Lois write about what happen? Her job is to interview witnesses and report about it. Only this time, she was a witness.
  
• Why wasn't Lois debriefed?
  
• Why wasn't Python debriefed? He told the CIA agents about civilians in the compound, but they fired the drones anyway. They accused SM of killing people, but they were the ones who fired the drones.

ZS’s fans say he pays attention to detail. Article here

The twitter user “@carbo_knight”, pointed out that Snyder used Central City’s exact population from the comics on the sign in Justice League:

LOL

Many good questions. But what is the point of lying? ZS should just reveal what could have been.

Switching to some good news. If it’s up to MR, we will get an R-rated BOP.

In an interview with Collider for her latest film, Terminal, Margot Robbie revealed that she had pitched a Harley Quinn spinoff movie – one based on the Birds of Prey comics – that is now being rewritten by Christina Hodson and directed by Cathy Yan. While she wants the movie to focus on Harley and her friends, one point of contention was that the film be rated R.

“I pitched the idea of an R-rated girl gang film including Harley, because I was like, ‘Harley needs friends.’ Harley loves interacting with people, so don’t ever make her do a standalone film. She’s got to be with other people, it should be a girl gang. I wasn’t seeing enough girl gangs on screen, especially in the action space. So that was always a big part of it.”

One of the chief complaints of 2016’s Suicide Squad film was that it was PG-13 when it clearly should’ve been rated R. If Birds of Prey releases as an R-rated movie and is successful, then that might pave the way for Suicide Squad 2 to also be rated R.

https://screenrant.com/birds-prey-movie-rated-r-margot-robbie/

@AnnaB said:

@Blue-Rose said:

A woman to direct and write a new DC film. Cool! Now, where is my MOS 2? I hope a woman directs it too.

A woman wrote a script in 2016. The article doesn't say they will use it.

Well, the same name (C. Hodson) is mentioned again

@Cashmere said:

Switching to some good news. If it’s up to MR, we will get an R-rated BOP.

In an interview with Collider for her latest film, Terminal, Margot Robbie revealed that she had pitched a Harley Quinn spinoff movie – one based on the Birds of Prey comics – that is now being rewritten by Christina Hodson and directed by Cathy Yan. While she wants the movie to focus on Harley and her friends, one point of contention was that the film be rated R.

“I pitched the idea of an R-rated girl gang film including Harley, because I was like, ‘Harley needs friends.’ Harley loves interacting with people, so don’t ever make her do a standalone film. She’s got to be with other people, it should be a girl gang. I wasn’t seeing enough girl gangs on screen, especially in the action space. So that was always a big part of it.”

One of the chief complaints of 2016’s Suicide Squad film was that it was PG-13 when it clearly should’ve been rated R. If Birds of Prey releases as an R-rated movie and is successful, then that might pave the way for Suicide Squad 2 to also be rated R.

https://screenrant.com/birds-prey-movie-rated-r-margot-robbie/

I hope the R-rate doesn’t mean female nudity. MeToo and TimesUp dictate that only male nudity is allowed.

@Blue-Rose said:

@AnnaB said:

@Blue-Rose said:

A woman to direct and write a new DC film. Cool! Now, where is my MOS 2? I hope a woman directs it too.

A woman wrote a script in 2016. The article doesn't say they will use it.

Well, the same name (C. Hodson) is mentioned again

Yeah... I don’t understand why WW can’t be written by a woman too.

I hope the R-rate doesn’t mean female nudity. MeToo and TimesUp dictate that only male nudity is allowed.

MOS 2 should be rated R.

Did any of you share your observations on Vero?

The treasure hunt for references had inspired a contest on Vero, spearheaded by fan Fiona Zheng, and led to many fans sharing any and all references and observations they found while re-watching the film.

And this did not go unnoticed by Snyder or the film’s writer, Chris Terrio, as they had kept a close eye on the Batman v Superman references pouring in from fans. The contest has recently come to a close and Snyder, after consulting with Terrio, went to Vero to congratulate the fans for their hard work, as well as announce the 10 winners of the contest.

https://heroichollywood.com/zack-snyder-batman-superman-winners/