@Mike4U said:

Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is the only film after WW 2.

Something seems wrong with WB.

Alec Baldwin has dropped out of the Joker movie, EW has confirmed.

The surprise move comes just a couple days after Warner Bros. confirmed his casting as Thomas Wayne, the father of Batman/Bruce Wayne

Alec Baldwin

Let me state, for the record, that I have NOT been hired to play a role in Todd Phillips’ JOKER as some Donald Trump manque. That is not happening. Not. Happening.

https://twitter.com/ABFalecbaldwin/status/1034797764868284416

The film reportedly is re-imagining the Wayne patriarch as a “cheesy and tanned businessman who is more in the mold of a 1980s Donald Trump” instead of how he’s traditionally portrayed as a warm-hearted billionaire philanthropist intent on bettering Gotham City before he’s cruelly gunned down by a mugger in front of his young son.

https://ew.com/movies/2018/08/29/alec-baldwin-joker-movie/

@HCFan said:

I think #1. Haters (they’re always the most vocal) were saying that HC is the reason why we won’t have MOS 2. DG was blamed too. WB is actually protecting HC. They’re the indecisive ones. If HC and DG were so difficult, why would WB take the blame and say that no decisions regarding SM films have been made?

I agree with you and Mike. The cape is still in his closet (DG), because no decisions have been made regarding any upcoming Superman films (WB). DG said anticipate a WB statement later. That’s the statement and it kinda explains why the cape is still in the closet. But I don’t agree that WB said that to protect HC. I completely agree with what Mike said. It’s not speculation anymore. It’s perfectly clear that WB is avoiding mayor decisions right now. All we have is a low budget Joker film, which won’t be part of the DCEU.

I think WB is waiting for Aquaman’s BO#. Major decisions will be made after that. They probably have two film schedules – one if it fails and one if it delivers. That sounds like a reasonable plan. What doesn’t make any sense is a decision about MOS or SM now. WB avoided MOS all this time. Why would they make such a huge decision just a few months before Aquaman is released? I don’t think there was any negotiation.

@ComicBookGuy said:

Alec Baldwin has dropped out of the Joker movie, EW has confirmed.

The surprise move comes just a couple days after Warner Bros. confirmed his casting as Thomas Wayne, the father of Batman/Bruce Wayne

Alec Baldwin

Let me state, for the record, that I have NOT been hired to play a role in Todd Phillips’ JOKER as some Donald Trump manque. That is not happening. Not. Happening.

https://twitter.com/ABFalecbaldwin/status/1034797764868284416

The film reportedly is re-imagining the Wayne patriarch as a “cheesy and tanned businessman who is more in the mold of a 1980s Donald Trump” instead of how he’s traditionally portrayed as a warm-hearted billionaire philanthropist intent on bettering Gotham City before he’s cruelly gunned down by a mugger in front of his young son.

https://ew.com/movies/2018/08/29/alec-baldwin-joker-movie/

Why did WB confirm his casting?

@Jim666 said:

I don’t think there was any negotiation.

Of course there were negotiations. Negotiations about other things. HC has one more SM duty in his contract. He can’t accept the lead in a series without telling WB. He must tell them about Geralt’s physique, hairstyle and facial hair, how many eps TW will have and when filming will begin and end. Filming will start in November. It’ll take like six months to film 8 eps. Aquaman will be released one month later. Around the end of February we’ll know if it's a hit or a just another dud. HC will be done in April.

These sources are just guessing. Scheduling conflict, he refused a cameo, he wanted more money, WB changed course, Supergirl has priority.

Before Shazam rumors, SM was supposed to become the Nick Fury of the DCEU and make an appearance in several films. Then HC trolled ZL’s IG and geeks started the rumor about a cameo in Shazam. That was back in February. Then the rumors got stronger when set pics of an SM toy in a store leaked.

@ComicBookGuy said:

@Mike4U said:

Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is the only film after WW 2.

Something seems wrong with WB.

Alec Baldwin has dropped out of the Joker movie, EW has confirmed.

The surprise move comes just a couple days after Warner Bros. confirmed his casting as Thomas Wayne, the father of Batman/Bruce Wayne

https://ew.com/movies/2018/08/29/alec-baldwin-joker-movie/

Everything's wrong with WB.

@Gone_Man said:

These sources are just guessing. Scheduling conflict, he refused a cameo, he wanted more money, WB changed course, Supergirl has priority.

Before Shazam rumors, SM was supposed to become the Nick Fury of the DCEU and make an appearance in several films. Then HC trolled ZL’s IG and geeks started the rumor about a cameo in Shazam. That was back in February. Then the rumors got stronger when set pics of an SM toy in a store leaked.

The rumors got even stronger after that, because HC and ZL kept trolling each other. Geeks were sure all that trolling meant that SM will appear in Shazam. They cited sources confirming it. Sources also confirmed that WB would make an SM announcement at SDCC. Nothing. So HC’s TW-related discussion with WB was the perfect opportunity to say that SM negotiations fail. Geeks forgot that HC has one more SM role in his contract. He can’t take the lead in a series without discussing a few things with WB. A series is not like a film. So those negotiations weren’t about SM's future. That’s why there was no reason to say anything about SM at SDCC or anywhere. So HC’s still in and SM's future is still uncertain.

Maybe WB got worried because of this.

@MarvelStudios Starting a campaign to make Henry Cavill Captain Britain! #HenryCavillforCaptainBritain

https://twitter.com/C_Hechta/status/1040018547651559424

Bond 25's new release date is Feb 14th 2020. If the next Bond film is around two/three years from then (2022/23) Henry should move on from Superman. It looks as if he's not coming back, anyway. Warner Bros plan to make a Supergirl franchise instead (?) - girl power! I'm sure there will be many actors up for the Bond role but he's bound to have more of a chance with his Superman contract over. He'd have no chance if he were still under contract.

@Gone_Man said:

These sources are just guessing. Scheduling conflict, he refused a cameo, he wanted more money, WB changed course, Supergirl has priority.

And it’s not even a good guessing game. What scheduling conflict?

MI6’s wrapped Mar. 25. A cameo in Shazam could have easily been scheduled after that. Btw, HC was done before Mar. 25. Only TC had to stay for the HALO jump.

Shazam’s shooting began Jan. 29 and ended May 11. LSH first met HC in Apr. TW starts shooting in Nov. DG is HC’s manager and she’s one of the exec. producers of Shazam. It’s kinda weird that she can’t get her own client to do a cameo in her film. She also knows HC’s schedule. She won’t let him accept a cameo and then cancel because of scheduling conflict.

And who’s stupid enough to change a staring role in a contract to a cameo? A cameo is so small that you won’t even get credited. WB can change the role, as long as HC gets paid a staring role salary. But why would they do that? They can give SM a role in NG, GL, Black Adam, etc.

@Sue-Yin said:

The rumors got even stronger after that, because HC and ZL kept trolling each other.

HC and CMcQ both added more fuel to the fire too. HC said he talked to CMcQ and CMcQ said he'll direct MOS 2 if HC would ask him. That was reason for geeks to think that HC will produce MOS 2. So any talk with WB must be about MOS 2. If no MOS 2 announcement is made means that negotiations failed. So the geeks are using everything HC said and did to guess why there's no MOS 2 news.

@Gone_Man said:

@Sue-Yin said:

@Gone_Man said:

Then HC trolled ZL’s IG and geeks started the rumor about a cameo in Shazam. That was back in February. Then the rumors got stronger when set pics of an SM toy in a store leaked.

The rumors got even stronger after that, because HC and ZL kept trolling each other.

HC and CMcQ both added more fuel to the fire too. HC said he talked to CMcQ and CMcQ said he'll direct MOS 2 if HC would ask him. That was reason for geeks to think that HC will produce MOS 2. So any talk with WB must be about MOS 2. If no MOS 2 announcement is made means that negotiations failed. So the geeks are using everything HC said and did to guess why there's no MOS 2 news.

All his doing. He also mentioned which SM story he hopes to see adapt.

@Mike4U said:

WB is the first studio to let a black woman direct a comic book adaptation. Where is NG? SS made more than 4x its PB. Where is SS 2? Margot Robbie was so popular that WB wanted her in JL’s Joker, in BOP and in a HQ&J rom-com. Where are all these films? Joaquin Phoenix’s Joker is the only film after WW 2.

BOP has a release date and a villain.

Warner Bros has had Birds of Prey circling around its DC slate for some time now, and now it's set a landing date: February 7th, 2020.

For those catching up with the nonstop onslaught of DC movie news, Birds of Prey will team Harley Quinn (Margot Robbie, also producing) with a team of female heroes including Black Canary, Huntress, and Gotham police detective Renee Montoya. Together, they'll take on crime lord Black Mask, a Batman villain known for his sadism and in some versions of the character, mind control.

https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2018/09/24/birds-of-prey-will-land-in-february-2020

@Mike4U said:

Of course there were negotiations. Negotiations about other things.

Yes. But I wouldn't call it negotiations.

@ComicBookGuy said:

@Gone_Man said:

@Sue-Yin said:

@Gone_Man said:

Then HC trolled ZL’s IG and geeks started the rumor about a cameo in Shazam. That was back in February. Then the rumors got stronger when set pics of an SM toy in a store leaked.

The rumors got even stronger after that, because HC and ZL kept trolling each other.

HC and CMcQ both added more fuel to the fire too. HC said he talked to CMcQ and CMcQ said he'll direct MOS 2 if HC would ask him. That was reason for geeks to think that HC will produce MOS 2. So any talk with WB must be about MOS 2. If no MOS 2 announcement is made means that negotiations failed. So the geeks are using everything HC said and did to guess why there's no MOS 2 news.

All his doing. He also mentioned which SM story he hopes to see adapt.

Wait, the geeks had reason to assume certain things. HC has a production company, he revealed which SM story has his preference and he was talking to a writer/director. Even some of the ladies wanted him to produce MOS 2.

But the really funny thing is that the most logical or likely reason HC and WB had to get together was left out of the guessing game. There’s no mention of HC and WB talks about TW and what it'll mean for HC’s availability for future SM roles. That's something that the two parties must discuss (like Mike said), because HC has one more SM obligation in his contract. But instead an unlikely Shazam/TW scheduling conflict and other assumptions were mentioned.

@Gone_Man said:

WB changed course, Supergirl has priority.

I just want to say something about WB changing course.

It’s obvious that WB want to change course. Both BvS and JL failed miserably. But even if they were huge hits, adding more heroines to their film slate would be a very good thing to do.

Right now, diversity (in front as well as behind the cameras) and more leading ladies/heroines on the big screen seem to be what people want.

Ava DuVernay said: “Hey Guys, I wanna make a New Gods movie.” WB simply agreed. A black woman will direct a big budget comic book film.

After criticism, WB decided to make Jenkins and Gadot producer on Wonder Woman 1984. Before, Deborah Snyder was the only female producer.

Margot Robbie is grateful that all the different movements made it possible for her to demand things. Now she can demand to be a producer and she can demand an all-female crew for her film too.

WB just comply.

@Triksy said:

It’s obvious that WB want to change course. Both BvS and JL failed miserably. But even if they were huge hits, adding more heroines to their film slate would be a very good thing to do.

The announcement of an SG or GOS film doesn’t need to have any consequences for MOS 2. Like WW 1 and 2, GOS can happen before MOS.

@Jim666 said:

Wait, the geeks had reason to assume certain things. HC has a production company, he revealed which SM story has his preference and he was talking to a writer/director. Even some of the ladies wanted him to produce MOS 2.

CMcQ talks MOS 2 and GL.

...interested in making Man of Steel 2 with Cavill:

“Many, many people have asked, many, many, many times. I had an awesome conversation with Henry Cavill about an awesome version of Superman while we were on set. You’re sitting around of hours, waiting for stuff to be built so I can put Henry in it, and throw him off a cliff, or freeze him to death. And we talked about a really awesome version of Superman.”

...lot of moving parts behind the scenes in making giant superhero movies like this:

“[That’s] the movie Henry wants. There’s a really, really beautiful version of that, and I honestly can’t speak for the people who are responsible for making those decisions, except to say it’s part of a giant corporate mechanism. I’m one guy. I can stand up and turn around, turn my back to you instantly, a giant corporation that’s in the middle of a merger with another giant corporation is an aircraft carrier in a broom closet being asked to turn around. Part of my job, and what’s made my being a director so much more easy in this business, was ultimately coming to terms with the fact that the people that I’m sitting across from have much bigger problems than I do. They just do. And I sympathize with those problems, ’cause before I used to just view them as incredibly obtuse, and they don’t know what movies are about. Of course they do. They all love movies…”

...doesn’t expect Warner Bros. to ask him to make Man of Steel 2:

“So I just sit quietly off to the side, and people say, ‘Hey, would you make Superman?’ And I just keep responding, ‘Well, they know where to find me. They know where to call me,’ but I don’t expect the phone to ring. I don’t expect that to happen.”

...he’s not someone who’s intense about comic book fidelity:

“I’ll address the other one, which is Green Lantern. Every couple of months it’s ‘Tom Cruise is in Green Lantern, which means McQuarrie must be directing,’ or ‘McQuarrie is directing Green Lantern, which means Tom Cruise must be in it.’ I had a conversation with the previous regime about Green Lantern. I’m not a comic book guy. I’m a story guy. So I don’t care if it’s Superman, or Green Lantern, or some superhero you’ve never heard of, to me it always comes down to, is there a good story? And can we make a good movie out of it? I don’t really have that kind of… that comic book fan, thing. Which, I think, and I’ll get myself into trouble, I think that’s one of the things that’s kind of crippling those movies, is everybody’s got these moments in a comic book that they want to see put into a movie. That’s not always necessarily the most cinematic thing, or the movie has to jump through hoops to get it. And I watched as other franchise movies try really hard to keep stuff that’s canon, and strangles the movie to death, and I’ve been in meetings where I’m like, ‘Can we just move this?’ ‘No, no, no, don’t move that! Don’t! Seven people saw that in a comic book ten years ago! It’s established! It’s canon!’ And I was like, ‘But the movie sucks. Can we just do it?’ ‘No you can’t!”

...the extent of his involvement in the Green Lantern franchise:

“That’s kind of the world that it’s in, and when I came in on Green Lantern I was like, ‘Here’s how I would do Green Lantern,’ and they were like, ‘Ah, but you know,’ and I said, ‘Well, that’s what I would do,’ and they said, ‘Well, will you direct it?’ And I said, ‘No, ’cause there’s no script.’ And they said, ‘Well you write the script,’ and I said, ‘But I may not be the guy to direct,’ like don’t make it a McQuarrie movie, make it the greatest Green Lantern you can make it. We don’t know what that is tonally. We don’t know what any of that stuff is until we get under the hood, and I may be the worst guy in the world. You may end up with Tim Burton’s Green Lantern, and I don’t have that pride of authorship. I’m not the guy who comes in and goes, ‘It’s mine, from the visionary director.’ Bullshit fuckin’ words. You’re a director! You’re a visionary, that’s your job.

http://collider.com/christopher-mcquarrie-man-of-steel-2-green-lantern/

If HC and DG were really difficult, WB would have released a statement like this:

Warners on Sunday confirmed Crawford will not return to the drama with a statement: "Warner Bros. Television has decided not to renew Clayne Crawford's contract for Lethal Weapon."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/clayne-crawford-responds-lethal-weapon-firing-1111487

They won’t sugarcoat their statement if your behavior is jeopardizing things.

BTW, a huge star like Will Smith isn’t sure about his Deadshot film either. He wants it, but WB aint giving it to him. Why? He’s an A+ lister, people liked him as Deadshot and villain and anti-hero films are the films people want right now.

Will Smith Is Really Hoping For A Deadshot Movie

When recently asked about leading a movie, he said:

I hope so, I love playing Deadshot. I'm really enjoying that character. They've been talking about it. If a good idea comes around... we've been having meetings but I would love to. I love Deadshot.

Lots of talk, right? If a huge star like WS can’t get DS, why are we shocked that HC can’t get MOS 2?

@ComicBookGuy said:

I thought I replied to BlueRose.

You did reply to me on the other board. Keep up.