Oh well - it was just something else that will turn up ten eps from now I expect. Maybe we will be lucky as we are foreign markets!! Surely somebody would notice if he were being constantly drugged - wouldn't Vulture notice his dilated pupils or something? How could he function in his job in that state? Anyways it is 12.15 a.m. and I am absolutely shattered - so I will wish you a pleasant evening whilst I catch up on some zees!

81

I hope you slept well.

(Another thought: what if Behzat's mother has sent Emre to the force to keep tabs on Behzat? That seems like a stretch, but consider that she knows she cannot protect him when he screws up the way she used to do. So maybe she wanted someone there who could influence him to follow the rules more, to protect him by keeping him from screwing up so much. That seems like not the most likely scenario, but a possibility. And Intel, it seems even less likely for her. You wouldn't send a drug addict to watch out for your son. Intel is still a mystery.)

Going to see Intel, Behzat gets a flat. Also, his new car has a faulty ceiling light. And he is in a cell phone dead zone. Coincidence? Perhaps. But there is no jack in the car. This is looking like a set up. He gets a lift with a passing car, a red VW by chance (or not, I don't like coincidences).

I like the actor for this role, but perhaps they should have found someone who isn't drunk all the time. Doesn't make the cops look good. (hehe. supposed to be funny)

The music is spooky, and the driver who picked him up seems weird. This segment seems like a dream sequence. Behzat goes into the ladies bathroom since the men's is occupied. He calls Ghost but he doesn't pick up. He catches a ride with someone else going toward his home. As they pull out, Intel pulls into the gas station. On the ride he suddenly falls asleep. The guy stops and tells him to get out, he changed his mind and isn't going as far as Gazi like he told him. The spooky music continues. I am thinking this whole thing is a dream sequence. It has a weird feel to it. He goes into a bar. The bartender is angry on the phone with his wife. He says he loves her. Then he says she won't let him see his daughter and he is going to kill her and get his daughter back, and explains his plan. Not very smart to tell a stranger, esp. when he is a homicide cop. Behzat tells him he is a cop. They get into a shootout. ...And who comes in the bar but Intel. Coincidence? Too many of them. This must be a dream. At least there are no whores pawing at him in this part. Bzat is now chasing the guy up endless stairs and enters room 23 where he sees Sule talking to some fat girl, who is her mother it turns out. She tells Sule to tell him we are sisters. Wait. They are at the railing that Berna was tossed over. He yells out Berna and runs over. She turns around and says Papa you ruined the surprise. Sule says he doesn't know anything yet. Now the bartender is shooting from across the way. He shoots as he backs into the building and now he is back in the bar again. I can see this is going to be some Alice in Wonderland shit. I am not going to detail it all.

I know this weird crap is supposed to give us insight into Behzat's history, but it is too much of a tortured process, too much like a dream. I don't like to work this hard to get the facts they want to convey. Even if I felt like watching this thing in detail, I would still have to interpret it and catch the meaning they are hinting at. They are making it too much work to figure out this puzzle. I want the cliff notes version.

At the moment I lack the patience to watch it all with the attention needed to get the story. I am halfway through this damned thing. And still, Behzat keeps walking in on people who say "get him out of here, he can't hear what we're talking about now". When the hell are they going to quit this damned tease? It doesn't pique my interest. It pisses me off.

Now he is back in the corridor of whores, looking drunk or drugged. anyway, it was part of his dream sequence. some whore pulls him down the hall again. The whore is Intel. She charges 200 lira. She gives him a discount for what he has on him.

Behzat rides down the road with that old man in the VW and pulls out a paper from the archive that says: your daughter was killed by your other daughter. The old man says I don't remember that. Behzat sets the paper on fire and puts it out the window. Symbolic of him forgiving Sule, I guess. He blames himself for everything that went wrong.

That was my take away from this crazy episode.

Thank you for that - I think maybe I will skip this one. I have always been annoyed by dream sequences and a whole episode of them will drive me nuts. In any case the middle Eastern mind is not the same as the Western mind - our cultures are far too removed from each other to understand what these mind games are trying to convey. All the whores etc - why are they so focussed on them - it's not as if Beserk uses them for sex that we know of - he is a drunkard not a whoremaster. I can see nothing in Beserk's lifestyle that suggests the use of whores as a metaphor for anything else. Maybe whores represent something else in Turkish culture - like a fall from grace or something. Beserk is never in the mosque - he shows no sign of being religious in any way - maybe that is what they represent. We can't hope to understand what they are getting at. I think I am going straight to 82 - life is too short to waste on something I can't understand.

update - re reading your post it seems he has some dark suspicion that he doesn't know everything about Berna's death - that people aren't telling him the truth - including Sule - about not only Berna but Sule's mother also. We only have her word for it that she is dead - and he still is too stupid to get the damn DNA test done.

episodes 82, 83, and 84

[I didnt write much on these. There wasn't much besides the investigations happening]

82

This was mostly about the vigilante twins, Muzo and Barbaros. They got some diamonds from the stomach of a guy who smuggled them into the country from a couple of tough guy types, mafia types. The whole show was about that.

The exception was Moron acting like an ass because Cevo's parents were coming to town to ask for Asli to marry Cevo. Moron was furious because Cevo didn't tell him before they showed up.

At the end Intel texted him to help her. Her pimp had bruised her face and told her to cover it up with makeup. Behzat kicked his butt and sent him running.

episode 83

this is mainly about the murder case, not much going on in terms of the characters' stories.

Someone is murdered while inside the police station so they shut it down and interrogate people. Two men escape through the bathroom. They are later caught by Cevo and Moron, mostly Cevo. They claimed they were CIA and should be let go.

Tahsin brings in someone who is really from Intelligence, Zeynep Fidan, the real one. She gets background on the men who escaped and bought a laptop of the dead man.

So we know that Intel was faking being Zeynep. And Behzat knows that now. The real Zeynep looks familiar to him he says. She says she was at Esra's funeral and saw him there.

Anyway, after a long investigation, it was his assistant who stole the research and her accomplices and the wife was pissed cause he was cheating and she killed him, I think.

84

Moron's dad is unconscious with a head wound. He was found by a dead body with the murder weapon in his hand. Behzat cannot be located to help. Moron is going nuts. Tahsin begins directing the investigation. Yalcin can't remember anything after leaving the coffee shop and starting to walk home.

Emre goes back and searches the home again and finds a photo of the victim's son with Asli. A motive begins to form.

Yalcin is sleeping and remembers walking home, saying good evening to someone who passes by him, and then hearing him run up from behind, turning and being hit on the head. He wakes up and remembers more. First voices.

"I'm what I am because of you. You coward."

"Son"

"Don't call me 'son'"

"Who is this man, Ulmut?"

"Why do you care?"

"Calm down, son. I don't get what you are trying to do"

"You will get it dad"

"That girl again? Again?"

Yalcin had woken up and sat up on the floor by this time and he asks "What's going on?" Then Ulmut hit his head with a vase, knocking him out again. -end of memory-

Emre gets back and reports that the victim's son disappeared. He produces the photo of Ulmut and Asli. On the back it says "One day I will prove how much I love you".

Yalcin comes out and reports what he recalled "I remember. It is about a girl". What girl asks Moron. He says I don't know but they were talking about a girl.

Eda has the photograph now and says "Harun. Asli." and shows it to him. Now they know it's about Asli, so they must protect her.

Ulmut is at Moron's house holding his mother at gunpoint as Moron, Eda, and Cevo rush there in a car. His mother is tied to a chair. Ulmut tells Asli to come with him. She puts on her shoes and he binds her hands behind her and leaves with her. The others from homicide are in a second car following. They get there to find her mother bound and gagged, and they take off to find Asli and Ulmut.

Asli tells Ulmut they couldn't get along and broke up, and she doesn't know what this is about. He tells her they couldn't get along because she wouldn't give him a chance. (Reminds me of Moron a little bit.) "You didn't give me a chance to introduce myself" he says. [Well, this is a fine 'how do you do'.] She says I was right, and he says you have not seen anything yet.

Cevo recalls at the pub that someone sent a dead rose to Asli anonymously. She asked Cevo if he sent it, and he said no. She didn't know what to make of it. Now he kicks himself for not having figured out something. He asks Moron if Asli has been in a relationship with this guy Ulmut before. A call comes in. The cops spotted the car and are following but not stopping, aware he is armed and has a hostage. There is a chase scene with Moron in the follow car and Ghost in the blocking car. They block the path and force Ulmut to stop.

STUPIDITY TROPE SCENE.... Ulmut exits the driver door as all the detectives get out and point pistols at him. They all have clear shots at him. But they just yell at him as he gets out and then opens the rear door and pulls Asli out and then finally uses her as a human shield. (Oh no. I guess they didn't think he would do that.)

I know some will say that they were afraid he might shoot her if they fired at him. But he didn't have his pistol trained on her the whole time. As he moved to get to the rear door I would have put a double tap in his chest and rushed closer, ready to fire again as needed. He may have been able to get up again for a few seconds, but before he could get up I would have shot him again until he dropped his pistol.

Anyway, so they let him run with Asli and get on a bus, effectively giving him a whole busload of hostages and human shields now. Cue the next chase scene, and a short run to the next standoff scene. He calls for Cevo to leave the car with his gun in his waistband. Is he planning an old west style shootout? Cevo gets on the bus with them. The bus pulls out and the detectives were warned not to follow. Tahsin pulls up and says 'they don't know my car so we can follow in it'. But his car looks exactly like Moron's car. LOL

Ulmut tells Cevo he killed for Asli, and tells Cevo to shoot one of the passengers or Asli dies. Cevo says he can't. Ulmut feels he has proved his greater love, and now he will shoot Asli. Cevo shoots him in the forehead, violently changing Ulmut's mind.

They could have shot him when he got out of the red car of course. But the detectives must have decided ahead of time that it would be more dramatic to have another chase and hostage scene, and to let Cevo play the hero, so they held their fire at that point.

Moron is thinking now. As gratitude for saving his sister's life, he will allow Cevo and Asli to have an extra phone call per week. But just one! (I made that up. It's funny to me because I can actually picture him doing that.)

Emre reports that Ulmut's gun was empty. It was suicide by cop. But he first tried to get Cevo to commit murder. Cevo's principles and commitment to doing the right thing held strong enough though. This time Cevo was a good guy.

But I think he was shaken to learn that Asli had briefly dated someone else. Did Ulmut touch her hand, the same hand he touches? Was there another hand there before his?

What a whore!

(I don't know that he really thought that. )

Yalcin has tea. He tells his stupid wife he caused the whole thing. Meanwhile Asli lies crying on her bed. [She never told Cevo that she had talked to another boy before him. She feels shame. Can Cevo get past the dishonor to him and his family? Will there be an honor killing?...yeah, I am making stuff up again.]

Vulture and the boys are talking. Vulture says "Everyone around us is nuts." (Right. You are the picture of good mental health.) Cevdet isn't with them though, and won't answer his phone. Ghost ordered something from his duty free friend. Behzat called and is coming to drink with them. Moron thinks he should be with his family.

Cut to a scene of Cevdet walking down the road with a bottle in his hand, and a serious look on his face. He sits down and leans back against a fence and starts drinking liquor. He looks very upset.

second comment.

I notice that this series has 105 episodes. But there were a couple of other Behzat C listings. This one is Behzat C, Ankara Police. One was called Behzat C. I Buried You in my Heart, followed by one called Behzat C. Ankara on Fire. Both of them were one episode in length.

Checking Seda Bakan's IMDB page I see that she was only in 96 episodes of this show. So I am thinking they began making more Behzat C Ankara Police episodes recently since some are listed as 2019, and she is not in the newer episodes. The 96 episodes she was in ended in 2013. So they made 9 more episodes and she is not in them.

I wonder if they will add the newer episodes of Behzat to Netflix. Also, I wonder why there are only 9 extra episodes. IMDB listed 105 total episodes when we started watching, and it still says the same. Did they cease production after just 9 more episodes? Why? Were they tying up loose ends? Or was it supposed to keep going? Did they fail to get the market share they were after and have to quit?

We should contact our governments and have the State departments contact Turkey and put pressure on them to start producing the show again. Turkey could pass a law to force the actors to quit what they are doing and go back to making Behzat. It could happen.

I am just about to start 84 - to be honest - I fell asleep during episodes 82 and 83 - I found them very boring - they always are when they concentrate on crimes rather than the personal lives of the Bowery Boys. All I managed to pick up was that Emre has found a load of emails from Berna on Beserks email. I find it almost impossible to believe that Beserk didn't check his emails after Berna died - he would be desperate for any information regarding her - how could he forget a password on the email account his beloved daughter set up for him - no - I don't buy that. Maybe Emre is actually investigating Berna's death - maybe he is her boyfriend and doesn't believe it was a suicide - maybe he suspects the truth. So they are trying to re-write Moron's personality now - he is the concerned brother who doesn't want her to marry a cop - not a control freak who doesn't want her to marry anybody. This turnabout is ludicrous - are they going to end up best buddies now? It was beyond ridiculous when Eda changed heads from not liking to loving him - who could love that idiot. Are they sleeping together now? Don't tell me - don't put that picture in my head. So Beserk has met the real Zeynap now - but if Intel is a prostitute (with a godawful singing voice) how did she even know the name of an intelligence officer - let alone impersonate her and why? I shall watch 84 and respond to your post regarding it.

Interesting theory about Emre. Berna seemed set on that former druggy Alper or Alpo, but he could have been a love interest, or been a friend, or someone who was infatuated with her. He could have some connection to Esra's side of the family as well. Most of the time I think he acts like he has good intentions, but when he began secretly seeing Sule I became very suspicious and distrustful of him. Still, his actions could have been viewed in a benign light as easily as not. When he questioned Behzat about the legality of holding those people longer, he could have been either entrapping him to make a statement indicating he didn't care about the law, or he could have been trying to keep him from getting in trouble by reminding him that the legal time limit was expiring.

He could be there to investigate, or he could be there to harm. It's hard to know about him at this point. I thought he was out to get Behzat when he talked to Sule that time. But lately I am leaning against that theory. He may be there to investigate Berna's death, or if he is related to Esra, to learn more about what happened there and to watch justice happen when the trial about her assassination takes place.

Moron as the concerned brother who just doesn't want his sister to marry a cop is a real twist. He has NEVER given any indication that was his concern before. Are they trying to rehab his character like they did with Cengiz in Ezel? I hope not. It is one thing if Behzat and Eda talk to him and make him admit that he is being hypocritical, but if he were to suddenly change on his own it would not make sense. And the change in Eda was shocking. It's like someone hypnotized her. When Moron was an ass, when he was rude, selfish, thoughtless, tactless, etc. she used to be turned off by it. Now she smiles and finds it adorable.

A baby's first bowel movement often elicits excited comments from his parents and family, and he is praised for making a poo. But Moron is way past that age. Nobody should be praising him for crapping his pants anymore. Yet he still expects it, insists on it. It's not a quirky personality trait that friends and loved ones come to like about a person.

But Eda is acting like Moron's mother now. She smiles and hugs him "I just love it when you act like a selfish asshole, honey". or "Oh Sweetie, you lied to me again! You're so cute!".

When she has a house full of retarded little morons running around, repeatedly sticking their fingers into light sockets because they don't learn, ravenously eating everything they see, she will still be smiling and adoring the little assholes. Somehow her mind has been corrupted, rewired.

Lol !! You do have a way with words - you make me laugh. I just finished ep 85 and once again there is no real interest regarding the Keystone cops. Cevdet has shaved his head - he looks a bit different now to what he did in the beginning. I know it must be traumatic for him - it's his first kill I think - but if he is going to shoot out of car windows and act like a hero and tell Moron "I'm a cop" - then really he should start acting like one - does he think he will spend his working life without a gun - without shooting anybody? At any rate the engagement is still on even if his hair isn't. Emre has kissed Sule and she has responded - I don't think he has any romantic interest in her. He has seen the photograph of her with Berna and the fact that Berna knew she was her real sister. Will he pass this info on to Beserk - it will tell us a lot if he does and even more if he doesn't. Don't forget - it took Beserk years to tell anybody that Sule was his real daughter (is that even her real name?) he hasn't told anybody that she killed Berna. Emre might believe that Beserk doesn't know that Sule killed Berna. I don't think he is after Beserk - I think that Sule is his target. So Beserk went to Sevkets and saw his latest squeeze - "I am young - handsome - single - why shouldn't I"? he bleats (Well - one out of three anyway)- completely ignoring the fact that she is probably less than half his age. Beserk finds out how to contact Bahri from him and is taken to see his mother. I don't know why he bothered because nothing changed. Now Intel has inserted herself into his life with help and a salary from his mother. Please don't tell me he is going to fall in love with a prostitute. I mean GONUL was halfway there - but Intel is fully fledged. There is a completely pointless interval where the tequila guy sings an endless Turkish song in Vulture's house whilst the gang sit around and look soulful. Yet another vicious killing of a very young girl by a guy who thought he had every right to do it because she wanted to leave him - Beserk castigates him and bashes him around the head as is his wont. Eda continues to wink and gaze adoringly at Moron - that -------- oh I am speechless - and that takes some doing!! Do you suppose they got female writers in about ten episodes ago? Not long to go now - will this end with a double wedding do you think - whilst somewhere in the background Emre kills Sule for killing Berna? All soaps do this at a wedding - they love to combine joy and tragedy in one great dollop!!

First Half of 85

85

Ghost tells Behzat that Moron was upset he wasn't there for the case involving his dad. Bzat says he had things to do, and will tell them later. Cevo is freaked out, lying in bed, replaying his shooting of Ulmut in his mind over and over, crying. I have never had to shoot anyone so I can't speak to this. I am sure I would have a hard time, but I don't think it would be like that. When you have to do a hard thing like that, your memory of it is tied to the reason you had to do it. Cevo doesn't seem to have that in his head. Plus, he is acting as though he did something wrong. I get that taking a life is a solemn, life changing, event. It can take time to process, and may be depressing. But I can't stand this idea that he did something wrong.

And so what if the gun wasn't loaded? They believed that it was, and the mere fact that he pointed it at Asli is plenty of reason and justification for shooting him dead. The fact that he kidnapped her and threatened her life is also justification for shooting him. He is acting like a wuss, in my opinion. He takes an electric razor to his hair. Good. Any change is good.

Crime scene. girl stabbed to death. No surprise there. Another woman killed in Turkey. Her body has old bruises. No surprise there either.

OK, now I am seeing Emre reading Behzat's emails, the one from Berna with a pic of her and Sule, saying this is my sister, and you will meet her at my birthday party. I don't think Behzat ever uses a computer. He is one of those older folks whose kids get them a computer but they don't know what to do with it. They find this technology a mystery, like the greek language, or sanscrit. When someone tells Behzat that a suspects email was routed through several servers and is anonymized, he doesn't understand what he is being told. He avoids computers and doesn't read emails.

Emre texts Sule. She will call him. But he isn't really into her.

Moron is eating. No news there either. He is pissed that Cevo has not called Asli now. hahaha. The one constant is that Moron is hungry and angry about something. After restricting their phone calls for...how long? now he thinks Cevo should be calling Asli.

In this case he is right, of course. Cevo should go out and rent a set of testicles, stop crying and pouting, and find the feelings he ought to have for the girl who was kidnapped and terrorized. If he thinks he has it bad, what is it like for her? No matter how bad he feels after taking a life, he knows she was terrorized, had a gun pointed at her head, believed she was less than a second from being shot, and she needs his comfort. And one thing I know is, when you focus on helping someone else, your own issues fade into the background, at least for a while. Did he really care anything for Asli at all? As what? A platonic friend? Even if she were a stranger to him, he ought to know she was traumatized and in need of comfort. Cevo is pissing me off again. At this point I wouldn't mind if Moron slapped him around some and made him pick up the phone and call. "Listen you faggot, if you don't call her I will break your face."

You are right about Cevo. He claims he is a cop, he shoots out tires, and all that. So what is all this moping and whining and pulling his hair about? He shot a bad guy. He is charged with stopping bad guys, he is sworn to uphold the law, and he is authorized to use deadly force to fulfill his duties. If shooting that guy is what is bothering him, then Moron is right and he should go back to agriculture.

So shithead knows Behzat's mother is alive. I wonder why he has not tried to finish the job. Maybe since she is out of power he doesn't think it is necessary. Memduh did say he liked her. Now Behzat knows.

Intel is prettied up and riding with Bahri. I wonder if she has ever done anything besides whoring. Hamri takes her to a nice house where she meets Behzat's mother. I don't know her name. She wants her to report back on what Behzat does. Intel says she would screw up the job and doesn't want it. She only knows how to be a whore she says. But that's not true. She was able to act like a cop convincingly.

Asli comes to see the little bitch, I mean, Cevdet. He is pouting and moping in his bed. He finally opens the door to see her, looking like he is unhappy with her. I think what I was joking about, about him feeling betrayed because Ulmut had dated her briefly, that might really be bothering him. He asks "why are you here?" and tells her "I don't want to see you for a while". So the little bitch thinks she cheated on him? Why? Because she met this guy before she knew him and didn't like him? Because he sent her a rose anonymously? Or does Cevdet think that when Ulmut kidnapped her she was on a date with him? Asli asks why. Cevdet says "what do I say, that I remember Ulmut when I look at you? That I can't stop seeing how I killed him?" She tells him Ulmut was trying to get killed. "How can you be OK with this? How can you?"

[well, it is like this Cevditz. the girl had a gun pointed at her head, and like you, she believed she was in imminent danger of having her life violently and unjustly ripped from her body. The only option available to save her was for you to put a bullet through his head. Legally, morally, ethically, by every metric, shooting him was the right thing to do. That is how she can be OK with it. But right now, RIGHT NOW...every person in the audience is becoming violently sick to their stomach watching you act like a pussy.]

Now Cevditz tells Asli about families of victims who "act casually" to the news that a member of their family is dead. Asli asks him what that has to do with her. Does he want her to cry because her stalker died? Is he her relative that she should mourn?

Cevditz responds sarcastically "You're right. My bad."

Actually Cevditz, she is right, and it is your bad.

Cevo goes on "He had a name. He was a person. He had a life. Maybe he could have changed his life. Maybe he would regret what he had done. But I took everything from him. He has no chance now. I killed Him Asli. I killed him."

GODDAMN IT. She should slap him and put a ball gag in his mouth, and tell him the facts of life. Here is the conversation they should have:

"Maybe his gun could have been loaded. Maybe he could have shot me through the head. Maybe you could have visited him in prison and comforted him in his regret. Maybe you could have had a relationship with him and had conjugal visits. Many things might have happened that didn't happen...... But let's get one fact straight right now. Ulmut committed suicide. He is dead because he forced a bullet through his own head. His actions are directly responsible for his death. And everyone knows this, except, apparently, you. And if you cannot understand that, then you cannot keep the oathe you took when you put on the badge. If you cannot see that, then you should not be a police officer. But don't try to tell me it was your fault, or that I should mourn some life that he might have lived. He didn't live that other life, he didn't make the right decisions. He took a life, he committed felonies and almost took my life. He put the public safety at risk, and it was YOUR job to stop him from doing that. And you did. So don't ask me to cry because you did your duty. "

"Cevdet, I have talked to your mom and dad, and they are calling a team of specialists together. They are going to attach some man sized testicles to you, and put you in therapy. You're going to be a man, honey!"

Cevdet would say "but I've read that women like sensitive men, men who cry, who are vulnerable, who get emotional, and show their feelings."

Asli, "Oh Cevdet. That's just something they say to make pussies feel better about themselves."

OK, back to the show.

Asli tells him "We both could have died that day. Would it have been better?"

Cevdet says: "You just fuck off, Asli. Really, just go."

Cevdet has achieved Moron level asshole status now. He should be fired from the police force for failure to support the rule of law, and for siding with criminals.

Also he should be cited for cross dressing as a man. Asli has bigger balls than he does. He has negative balls. If they don't fire him, he should be assigned to permanent tea boi status.

Cevdet jumps back into his crying bed where he can angrily cry and pout. Mean ol Asli. She didn't cry. Why did she have to get kidnapped? Why did this happen to me? Why won't mommy let me wear skirts? Life is so unfair.

Behzat and Moron go to Cevbitch's house but Moron is told to stay in the car.

OK, Cevdumbass tells the captain "I am a murderer". And Behzat says "yeah". WHAT???

Justifiable homicide is NOT murder. I am sick of hearing it talked about that way on TV shows. They act as though all violence is morally the same. If someone is beating an old woman on the street while mugging her, and a good samaritan comes along and uses violence to stop that crime, the two violent acts are morally different. Everyone knows this without being told. And I don't believe this is a translation error. I see this all the time in English language shows. Murder is premediated, unlawful, homicide. And TV shows use this term to describe justifiable homicide, and they misuse the word on a regular basis.

In this case, Behzat is enabling and supporting Cevdet's sissified, self-pity and abuse of his fiance. I find this to be a detestable bit of television. He should have told him "No, you are not." But he didn't. He said yeah, you broke the law by unlawfully killing that man.

If that is true, then he should arrest Cevdet. You can tell this really pisses me off. It is emblematic of the liberal viewpoints promoted in TV shows. I am pissed off to see it in a show promoted as being un-PC, and by a police officer said to be un-PC.

I am only halfway through this episode, but I had so much to say I thought it better to split this one up.

I have just finished 87 - or to be more accurate - skipped through most of it - the show has lost it's edge for me - I don't really care about their cases - particularly ones that drag on and on. I care about their private lives - and recently there has been virtually nothing about them. I detest Intel - I am sick of those black bags under her eyes that make her look like she needs a new kidney - I am sick of those grotesque earrings - I am sick of seeing her either sitting outside his house or knocking on his door. He is a cop for goodness sake - doesn't it occur to wonder where she suddenly appeared from and why she is latching herself onto him. He lets her stay in his house where his daughter lives - she could be a serial killer for all he knows. And now he is supposed to have a disease - we can all guess he must have cirrhosis of the liver - that's a given - but a mystery disease? Emre is outraged when Sule turns up at the station and tells Eda they are dating - he is also seen by Intel who is also there and tells him that she saw them kissing in the garden - Eda is shocked but agrees to keep schtum. Eda and Moron have a falling out but it seems cretinism is catching and a bunch of flowers is all it takes to make her smile again. Wake me up when something interesting happens please !!!

85 continued. My commentary on the second half. Of course you have seen this already.

So the case is another one about a young man who wanted a girl, but she didn't like him. She told him they cannot get along and she doesn't want to be with him. But in his mind, because he wanted to marry her, she had no choice. She could marry him or die. That is how he put it to Behzat. "We were going to get married." he said. He based that completely on what he wanted. She didn't agree to it, and wanted nothing to do with him. But since he wanted it, they were engaged. "She chose to be dead instead of being mine" he says. This is seen time after time in this show. I see it as the result of combining the lowered IQs as the result of inbreeding, with the ideology and culture of Islam. He wanted her to marry him. and then she dishonored him because she didn't want to marry him. So he thinks it should be self evident why he killed her. And he expects others to accept it as valid reasoning. This speaks to the prevalence of such thinking in that culture.

Imagine a place where this is a normal occurrence. It is really hard to imagine but these places exist.

The father of the murdered girl tried to kill all the men he thought involved in her death, but only got one of them. He swears to get the rest of them. You can understand his sentiments.

Emre meets Sule for drinks. He asks her how she found the Captain. She notices he always asks about Behzat and Berna and their history. That isn't normal for someone who supposedly likes you and wants to spend time with you. He doesn't ask her about her school, her studies, what she likes, etc. He wants to know about her past, her dad, and her late sister. She backs him off. Their first meeting she said she was asexual and not interested in him like that. She wants to make sure he understands that. He grabs her and kisses her. She likes it and kisses back.

Behzat talks about meeting his mother. He is harsh with her, saying he wanted to kill himself when he learned who she is, i.e. what she does, but now he wants to kill her. She asks how he learned she was alive and he tells her Excrement told him. She is surprised, and looked somewhat alarmed. I would be also. He is the one who had her poisoned after all.

Weird. Moron says they will help him kill his mother whenever he wants them to. That is not the kind of thing you want to hear police officers talking about.

Mustafa the duty free man arrives with another guy, a musician, on their way to a club. So here is that Turkish song you talked about. It puts them all in a contemplative mood. I hit FF through most of it.

Intel texted Behzat and he is off to see her. She needs a place to stay she says and he lets her in. I guess she changed her mind and decided to be Momma's spy. He sleeps with his head in her lap.

Intel remembers Momma coming to visit her. They talk. Yes, Intel took the job. She is a spy for Momma.

I read your post after my first one on 85. I see you're ahead of me again. It doesn't surprise me that Emre didn't like Sule announcing them as a couple. He doesn't really like her, he is playing her, using her for his own reasons. Plus, he doesn't want it to get back to Behzat. Emre took a big chance trying to use Sule for info. but for now it is paying off I guess. I wonder if Intel will spill to Behzat about them though, or if Sule will prevail upon her to keep quiet. I would expect it to get back to Behzat at some point though. And I would expect Sule to figure out Emre is really with her for information, eventually.

I am not as patient as you are - I ff through a lot of stuff that I find boring. It can get very repetitive - man kills woman - team ask onlookers did you see anything - they arrest virtually anybody who was near the scene of the crime and take them into the interrogation room - you did it didn't you - thwack - no Sir I swear to God it wasn't me - knocks him off the chair - yes it was. In the car - talking nonsense or eating and drinking - they even carry beer in the trunk. The nightclub - horrendous Turkish music - people doing the airplane dance - usually fat and ugly beglittered middle aged hookers and a very skinny man with spectacles and a white shirt who seems to be the resident hoofer. I long for the appearance of Excrement because he never bores me!! I'll wait for you to catch up and hope something happens meanwhile.

@strangebedfellows said:

I am not as patient as you are - I ff through a lot of stuff that I find boring. It can get very repetitive - man kills woman - team ask onlookers did you see anything - they arrest virtually anybody who was near the scene of the crime and take them into the interrogation room - you did it didn't you - thwack - no Sir I swear to God it wasn't me - knocks him off the chair - yes it was. In the car - talking nonsense or eating and drinking - they even carry beer in the trunk. The nightclub - horrendous Turkish music - people doing the airplane dance - usually fat and ugly beglittered middle aged hookers and a very skinny man with spectacles and a white shirt who seems to be the resident hoofer. I long for the appearance of Excrement because he never bores me!! I'll wait for you to catch up and hope something happens meanwhile.

WOW, you summed up the cases nicely. I was going to say something like that once, about the way they investigate. They just round up whoever is standing around and try to beat a confession out of them. It's a wonder they ever close a case with detective work like that. 'Sir, I was just passing by. I don't even know the people you're talking about. Why are you hitting me?' Whack!! So you don't like being hit by police eh? Whack!! What are you, some anti-government type? Whack!!! Confess. You know you killed him.

I am halfway through 86 now. I swear I think I watched this last night when I was half awake because some of the scenes are very familiar to me. Will post more soon.

86

Muzo of the vigilante twins is met by a gunman. He swears to give him the diamonds if he gives him a day to get them. Then he stabs him in the back and takes his gun.

Barbaros, the vigilante murdering pathologist enjoys family time at home. Muzo calls and tells him he needs him to come help. They have a big, dead body to get rid of. Muzo is ashamed to tell how he cried and got the man to turn his back. Barbaros says they must give back the diamonds. Muzo doesn't want to. They are going to dump the body at some old place belonging to Muzo but things go wrong and they have to leave him on the street.

Intel lets Sule know she is a whore. Sule is nonplussed. Sule says she isn't surprised by anything since living with Behzat.

thugs turn Muzo's place upside down looking for the diamonds.

Sourpuss skinhead frowns and Behzat tells him to go home. But he wants to work he says. Just like the other day, he thinks it is better for him to work so it keeps him mind off of things. Behzat should tell him "this job isn't about keeping your mind off things you need to deal with. You can't stomach doing this job. You won't even pull your gun when your fellow officers are under fire, you just sit and frown and watch them being shot at. This is not therapy, it is public service. I need detectives I can depend on to perform their duty. And I cannot depend on you to do that. So clock out, and go home."

Emre stole a file from the records room.

Sevket gave his young squeeze a job as his assistant, never a good idea. Behzat arrives. Sevket called him all the way out there to tell him their mother asked him not to let Behzat know she was alive. I would never come running to him again after that. He could have said it over the phone, he could have stopped by after work, but he called like it was an emergency.

Ulmut wanted to take Asli away from Cevdet. And he did. Cevdet let him do it. Cevo apologized to Ulmut's grave. This show has really gone downhill here. Cevdet texted Asli to say it is better if we don't see each other. What sort of man breaks up by text message? Moron finds out Cevo broke up by text. His face was flush with anger.

Moron and Eda visit with Cevo. It was a nice display of Moron's hypocrisy. When he said there was no turning back after engagement Eda angrily asked him didn't he run from his wedding? Moron said it was different, and it wasn't about him, it has nothing to do with this, it is about Cevo. LOL Moron, the selfish, the self-pitier, the perpetual victim, tells Eda "I'll punch myself if you ever stand with me, just once." God I wish she would break up with him.

Intel sneaks off to dish on Behzat's investigation of the hospital owner, or rather to take pics of his research. Sule almost catches her.

Muzo the idiot decides to sell the watches he took from dead people rather than throw them away as he was told to do. This will come back to bite him.

Cevo finally meets with Asli. She should have him put in therapy, or committed to a nuthouse. He has no business being a police officer, at least not until he can get over this. She calls Moron and tells him they have talked and are taking a break for a while. You've already seen the bit where he shouts at Eda and she tells him they should take a break. She modifies that to telling him she doesn't want him to sleep in her bed that night.

If you want to hear a stupid sounding voice, turn up the sound on that exchange, especially as he is slowly leaving to go out the door. He is the dumbest sounding guy. I don't know how a girl with average or above intelligence could tolerate him.

Now Intel is working for some salt and peppered haired man also, against her will. oh boy, and Papatya is working for the same man. So she is getting information from Sevket and now Intel will be getting info about Behzat for this guy, some enemy or rival of "the lady", Behzat's mother. Papatya bought a watch from Muzo, probably the one with the company logo on it, and Behzat will see it and realize it came from whomever killed those guys. This will lead him back to Muzo.

Ah ha. Sule tailed Emre and saw him at Teras Bar, the place where she tossed Berna to her death. She has to know she is being investigated by him now.