I've read that the Okudas give their "expert" information about some things that contradicts established canon, including - I believe - claiming that dilithium is "fuel." They seem to put more weight on how they imagine things, rather than what has actually been shown. I can't think of how anyone who knows much about Star Trek - perhaps especially the Okudas - could claim that dilithium is somehow "fuel."

@Knixon said:

I've read that the Okudas give their "expert" information about some things that contradicts established canon, including - I believe - claiming that dilithium is "fuel." They seem to put more weight on how they imagine things, rather than what has actually been shown. I can't think of how anyone who knows much about Star Trek - perhaps especially the Okudas - could claim that dilithium is somehow "fuel."

Which is odd since the Enterprise NX-01 didn't have dilithium crystals and is a show where both served as keepers of continuity.

Well events in TMP show otherwise besides singularities create more than black holes alone at least according to the Penrose–Hawking singularity theorems

TMP is Star Trek The Motion Picture where because of an inbalance in the Warp engine it created a wormhole which is something a regular Trek fan would know by simply referring to TMP in combination with Warp engines

We were discussing the principles of the Warp drive mentioning TMP would remind fans who have seen the movie numerous times of that event in the movie.

When criticizing STD we are not talking about the fictional science but rather actual science like sonar in space (which is soundwave based),falling stars in space(there is no atmosphere in space),parasitic ice(ice has no intelligence or is considered a life form so how can ice be parasitic it's just frozen H2O) Or having a Kelpian screaming which destroys almost all dilithium almost at once (again soundwaves don't travel in the vacuum of space plus it would mean soundwaves can travel faster than the speed of light in space)

As for transporters;

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/transporter-teleport-entangled-photons-wolfgang-tittel-calgary/

Also this quantum entanglement theory the article talks about could explain why we got two Kirks and two Riker. Also the yellow ore(or magic space dust)caused a power surge in the transporter (aka an excess of power/energy) and the only way the transporter could handle this excess of power/energy is transfer it into mass (ergo by creating an extra Kirk)

@Nexus71 said:

@Knixon said:

I've read that the Okudas give their "expert" information about some things that contradicts established canon, including - I believe - claiming that dilithium is "fuel." They seem to put more weight on how they imagine things, rather than what has actually been shown. I can't think of how anyone who knows much about Star Trek - perhaps especially the Okudas - could claim that dilithium is somehow "fuel."

Which is odd since the Enterprise NX-01 didn't have dilithium crystals and is a show where both served as keepers of continuity.

NX-01 also appeared to use plastic tubing for antimatter. And they talked about antimatter injectors having "nozzles." What's your point?

In many ways they seemed to have the same semi-casual attitude regarding antimatter that we saw in "The Alternative Factor."

Zefram Cochrane's warp ship certainly didn't use matter/antimatter in the First Contact movie retcon, and the warp drive he invented according to TOS probably didn't either. It would seem that matter/antimatter power was necessitated by larger/faster ships.

But dilithium was used by NX-01, it's mentioned in a few episodes, such as The Catwalk and Affliction. They just never seemed to have as much trouble with dilithium as "later" ships did.

@Nexus71 said:

When criticizing STD we are not talking about the fictional science but rather actual science like sonar in space (which is soundwave based),falling stars in space(there is no atmosphere in space),parasitic ice(ice has no intelligence or is considered a life form so how can ice be parasitic it's just frozen H2O) Or having a Kelpian screaming which destroys almost all dilithium almost at once (again soundwaves don't travel in the vacuum of space plus it would mean soundwaves can travel faster than the speed of light in space)

As for transporters;

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/transporter-teleport-entangled-photons-wolfgang-tittel-calgary/

Also this quantum entanglement theory the article talks about could explain why we got two Kirks and two Riker. Also the yellow ore(or magic space dust)caused a power surge in the transporter (aka an excess of power/energy) and the only way the transporter could handle this excess of power/energy is transfer it into mass (ergo by creating an extra Kirk)

Also, the point is that while all of these devices are - at least so far - imaginary, they are still expected to behave in consistent ways within shows that use them. And usually in ways consistent with even present-day reality. Which means, for example, that if a transporter is actually transporting a person - the same person - from one location to another, not just creating a copy, then THERE IS NO WAY IT COULD LOGICALLY CREATE TWO PEOPLE OUT OF ONE.

Or one person out of two, for that matter. And which are then divided back into two people. In the first case, where does the extra matter go? And in the second, where does the extra matter come from? They - including writers, etc - don't get to just say that the transporter actually transports the individual, but whenever we feel like it we'll say that it can make TWO people, etc etc. That's BS claptrap nonsense.

You don't understand that, especially for beings who are supposed to be ALIENS which means their DNA - if they even HAVE DNA - could be very different from ours, is not the same as - for example - saying your car goes 60mph therefore you can drive across a 3,000 mile country in a day?

The biggest problem with most of these issues is that they arise from ignorance or stupidity, or even just laziness.

Meanwhile, strictly speaking, "science fiction" that regularly contradicts itself is not science fiction, and it's not even faaaantasy (which I usually say derisively in that manner) really since even "serious" fans of faaaantasy expect their stories to be INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.

Galdalf is not 3 feet tall today, and 8 feet tall tomorrow, then 5 feet tall next week...

Because Tolkien was not A BAD WRITER.

@Knixon said:

You don't understand that, especially for beings who are supposed to be ALIENS which means their DNA - if they even HAVE DNA - could be very different from ours, is not the same as - for example - saying your car goes 60mph therefore you can drive across a 3,000 mile country in a day?

The biggest problem with most of these issues is that they arise from ignorance or stupidity, or even just laziness.

Meanwhile, strictly speaking, "science fiction" that regularly contradicts itself is not science fiction, and it's not even faaaantasy (which I usually say derisively in that manner) really since even "serious" fans of faaaantasy expect their stories to be INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.

Galdalf is not 3 feet tall today, and 8 feet tall tomorrow, then 5 feet tall next week...

Because Tolkien was not A BAD WRITER.

She still doesn't get it 😫(sigh)

@Nexus71 said:

@Knixon said:

You don't understand that, especially for beings who are supposed to be ALIENS which means their DNA - if they even HAVE DNA - could be very different from ours, is not the same as - for example - saying your car goes 60mph therefore you can drive across a 3,000 mile country in a day?

The biggest problem with most of these issues is that they arise from ignorance or stupidity, or even just laziness.

Meanwhile, strictly speaking, "science fiction" that regularly contradicts itself is not science fiction, and it's not even faaaantasy (which I usually say derisively in that manner) really since even "serious" fans of faaaantasy expect their stories to be INTERNALLY CONSISTENT.

Galdalf is not 3 feet tall today, and 8 feet tall tomorrow, then 5 feet tall next week...

Because Tolkien was not A BAD WRITER.

She still doesn't get it 😫(sigh)

It's pretty baffling. But perhaps not entirely unexpected. After all, what actual Star Trek fan or even semi-knowledgeable person, doesn't know what TMP is, for example? But it could explain why they don't think all the Discovery/Picard/etc crap isn't a problem if they don't really understand the show, maybe never actually saw any of it... And STILL doesn't...

Re sound in space. Yep, no sound in a vacuum. However...

1. It's commonly used in SF to add drama. Just so I don't get accused of only picking flaws in TOS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsilA7nD_5c
2. I thought the shockwave was a visual representation of what Su'Kal was causing due to his DNA having been altered by growing up where he did and the trauma

Re Let That Be Your Last Battlefield's aliens: Though the idea of two races on the same planet basically being mirror images of each other is far fetched, the black/white faces happen on this planet, but in felines: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/253-star-trek/discuss/5e6ba2230102c9001286f761 though it's a rare genetic abnormality https://www.catological.com/facts-chimera-cats/

Re canon: Guess comics would blow the minds of some of the members here. Spiderman should have died from old age decades ago.