The writers forgot that "In Space Nobody Can Hear You Scream" plus the budget reductions for the show became pretty obvious in a couple of episodes

I don't think there will be a season 4 this seasons finale felt like series finale to me plus who is going to fund a season 4 I'm pretty sure Netflix ain't gonna waste more money on it.

@Nexus71 said:

The writers forgot that "In Space Nobody Can Hear You Scream" plus the budget reductions for the show became pretty obvious in a couple of episodes

I guess she has you on ignore as well dude bummer for you hahaha

@Nexus71 said:

I don't think there will be a season 4 this seasons finale felt like series finale to me plus who is going to fund a season 4 I'm pretty sure Netflix ain't gonna waste more money on it.

I wonder if she actually watched this show this time?

Well the fact that the article she links talks about a season 4 on Netflix obviously doesn't know that in a court ruling last year Netflix was absolved from further contractual obligations ansd hence has pulled the plug for more seasons of STD after season 3 the fact that production season 3 originally ended in December 2019 and that there were reshoots for more than 30 days until February 2020 tells the reshoots were necessary to take out all the build up for a possible season 4 which is why the first episodes were a mess because of editing en inserting the reshoots .And CBS can announce everything they want is doesn't make it necessarily true fact is that at the end of last year STD was in the list of productions at the film crew union registration.Since beginning of this year STD is no longer on that list.

Strange because the stage in Toronto doesn't have STD on it's production list and that the sets for STD were removed/destroyed after reshoots ended in February 2020 this has been verified by a Youtuber who is a Canadian writer/script writer/publisher(who also works for Hollywood)and who has access there.So Michele Paradise can claim that production has started maybe in the writers room but not in actually filming stuff.And besides it's in the interest for Secret Hideout to announce things even though there is very little chance of them actually being produced because of funding issues like the fourth Star Trek film or the Section 31 series(and since Michelle Yeoh is going to be busy for Disney Marvel for a while because of a Marvel series for Disney +(She already appeared in Guardians Of The Galaxy 2) it's gonna take a while for her to return in the Star Trek realm).And even if they were going to make season 4 who will pay for it????Netflix sure as shit ain't going to.And one should take everything what Kurtzman says with a tiny pinch of salt And Kurtzman is and has been for a while now not the one in charge of Star Trek the actual heads of Star Trek are Michele Paradise and Akiva Goldsman so take everything Kurtzman says with a pinch of salt and the whole reason Strange New World is getting made is because Kurtzman has no involvement in that and that that show is Goldsman's "baby" and besides Kurtzman is now associated with a Clarice Starling series(which will have no Hannibal Lecter in it).

In fact if it hadn't been for the contract between Kurtzman and previous CBS head Les Moonves Viacom/CBS would have fired Kurtzman and Secret Hideout already.And after watching season 3 I can honestly say season 3 was by far the worst season of any Star Trek show and probably one of the worst seasons of any serialized show EVER.

http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=star+trek+discovery+season+4

Seems most places are pretty convinced that S4 is coming. Are they all part of a "Deep State" conspiracy or something?

Well the general consensus is that season 3 of STD is shit even some mainstream media outlets and die hard Trekkers who gave the show two seasons are saying it but I guess that's also part "Deep State " conspiracy ?But it has nothing to do with conspiracies it has to do with simple finance who is gonna finance the show Netflix isn't and Viacom/CBS also hasn't got the money since CBS All Access is such a failure that they have to rebrand it as Paramount+ (which still isn't streaming yet and is not likely to get as many subscribers as Amazon,Netflix,HBO or Disney)so who is paying for season 4 without funding no season plain and simple!The fact that STD is going to be on regular cable here in Holland via Paramount subsidiary SPIKE TV is telling me that they are in desperate need of money and viewers because hardly anybody watches the show even on CBS All Access and on regular CBS TV where in the US it barely manages to get 1.7 million viewers and only 200,000 viewers in the for CBS important demographic of 18-49 years add to that that a show like Supergirl got around 7 million viewers before it got axed because CBS deemed it as not drawing in the viewers needed before that show was picked up by the CW network.

@Nexus71 said:

Well the general consensus is that season 3 of STD is shit even some mainstream media outlets and die hard Trekkers who gave the show two seasons are saying it but I guess that's also part "Deep State " conspiracy ?

A quick look at Metacritic and RT suggests that you're just making figures up as far as proper critics goes. Or are you conflating audience score with critical rating?

Rotten Tomatoes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You still think that site is objective after all the shenanigans that happened there? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣besides the user ratings for season 1 is 50% season 2 36% and season 3 (so far)46% so I would hardly call that a positive number those so called critical reviews should be discarded since these barely watch an entire season plus nowadays it is more important to promote woke causes or have representation than to write good stories and characters so I hardly take them seriously and let's not forget that some of these critics work for or are paid indirectly by the studios (they are not going to shit in their own beds) .And sorry but the ones being irrational are you what reality do you live in where if you don't have the budget you can make series?To my knowledge the entertainment industry is still a business where things like budgets,numbers of viewers /subscribers,and revenues are still important so if a show costs a shitload of money to make it has to draw in large numbers of viewers to make them profitable and STD certainly isn't doing that it eventually gets canceled you can deny economics but don't ever claim I am being irrational here .It was widely reported that Netflix was out of STD and is NOT going to finance another season so you still haven't answered the most important question Who will pay for season 4? And the numbers are correct and can be found (if you bother to put in the effort to look for it) so I don't know where you got the illusion from that those numbers aren't real just like that on Netflix around the world STD is NOT in the top 10 of most watched shows and never has been(and it has to be a top 10 show considering what STD costs them considering that shows with lower budgets and more viewers like The Dark Crystal series get axed by Netflix).And it is not that the CBS normal TV ratings are on their own same can be seen for STD airing in Canada on regular TV where we see a similar trend .Despite what these paid for articles say STD is not a success even mainstream media outlets are saying that STD failed so the ones denying reality are you.You should focus more on user reviews than take any of what these so called "critics" write seriously.

Plus I would call a show that promotes segregation on basis of skin color,gender or sexual preferences hardly progressive or inclusive and worthy of the banner of Star Trek(just watch season 3 and you'll notice that there are specific groupings going on )

And since Star Trek isn't the only franchise with this kind of thing happening I would hardly call that being irrational but hey that also must be part of the "Deep State " conspiracy but if all legitimate and factual criticism/actions by paying customers is now considered conspiracy thinking I wonder who is being irrational here.

b.t.w. Metacritic user score for STD is 3.7 and a critics score that hasn't got one negative review??? sorry but I find that rather suspicious certainly if what was generally regarded as the best and most popular Star Trek show TNG (which won a couple of awards) gets a critical review score of 5.1 with actually two negative critic reviews

@Invidia said:

NEX is being BRAIN WASHED by his WATCHING all of those ANTI NEW TREK YOUTUBE VIDEOS (which is where he gets the GARBAGE that he REPEATS here and REGURGITATES it back up again after he's heard it elsewhere).

And the reason why others make those VIDEOS and say what they say is because they also get PAID by ANTI NEW TREKKERS to say what they say.

One MORONIC NERD guy, for instance, first began making VIDEOS saying he LIKED the show until he saw that he could get MORE MONEY DONATED to him by saying he didn't like it.

Thus began his ANTI NEW TREK RANTS.

I actually stayed away from those videos on Youtube while watching season 3 so again your assumption is false since I kinda already knew what they were going to say anyway .Don't think just because I watched those videos in the past I can't come to my own conclusions and make up my own mind because I don't need others to tell me what to like or dislike (we already have CBS doing that (lol) in fact I often seem to like things others don't so I am pretty forgiving) in fact I only checked them in the past to find out if certain things that I didn't like wasn't just me.And no it doesn't require a highly educated mind to figure out STD is trash the fact that they don't understand basic science and logic speaks volumes.

Lol Nex I think she just tried to Boomer you haha

Statement 1, claiming that even critics don't like DIS:

@Nexus71 said:

Well the general consensus is that season 3 of STD is shit even some mainstream media outlets and die hard Trekkers who gave the show two seasons are saying it

Refutation:

@M.LeMarchand said:

A quick look at Metacritic and RT suggests that you're just making figures up as far as proper critics goes. Or are you conflating audience score with critical rating?

..and within a couple of hours the tune has to "critics are irrelevant":

@Nexus71 said:

Rotten Tomatoes 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You still think that site is objective after all the shenanigans that happened there? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣besides the user ratings for season 1 is 50% season 2 36% and season 3 (so far)46% so I would hardly call that a positive number those so called critical reviews should be discarded since these barely watch an entire season plus nowadays it is more important to promote woke causes or have representation than to write good stories and characters so I hardly take them seriously and let's not forget that some of these critics work for or are paid indirectly by the studios (they are not going to shit in their own beds)

Make up your mind!

BTW RT's seasonal Critic ratings for DIS go 82%, 81% with S3 at 90%. If you think the critic ratings are gamed, what about the audience ones? Easily fixed by anyone with an axe to grind.

I'm trying to decide if you're a masochist, because you keep watching and writing about a show you hate, or if you secretly love DIS but don't want to admit it. I know I wouldn't waste so much time on a show I disliked.

Don't know what the Covid rules are in Holland, but maybe you should get yourself to a coffee house ASAP and chill out.

A quick look at Metacritic and RT suggests that you're just making figures up as far as proper critics goes.

I actually checked both sites and behold on both user scores are sub par as for proper critics don't make me laugh these clowns know less about movies,good script writing and franchises than I do so No they are not proper critics.Anybody with eyes in their head and with less of dull mind can see STD is the worst ST show ever written by people who don't know how to write for a SF show or franchise.

No one is trying to claim that the show is PERFECT or that it doesn't have PROBLEMS or faults that one can find with it, but your insistence that there's NOTHING whatsoever to LIKE ABOUT IT is what is IRRATIONAL.

The show has very little redeeming qualities Invidia in season 1-2 the looks was good but by season 3 the budget cuts became visibly noticeable .But the rest is a disaster the acting is crap,the stories are crap,the character are unlikeable or non existent,the pacing is horrendous so is the editing plus it has had three seasons to clear up the problems but in stead it has become progressively worse.The only two roles that worked were Pike and Saru and they managed to fuck up his character in season 3 (Doug Jones deserved better than this).And for a show that praises itself for progressiveness the messages it sends out is anything but progressive(in fact it promotes racism and segregation).And by focusing so much on current politics and by taking a stand on certain politics they dated the show which will not make the show worth revisiting in the future.

And trying to COMPARE it with TOS that was produced nearly 60 YEARS AGO is also VERY SILLY, because of the way our CULTURE has CHANGED so much now ever since that time back when MINI SKIRTS and BEE HIVE hairstyles were still popular.

I am not comparing it with TOS alone I compare it with 5 other Trek shows as well and TOS despite it's 60 years old age makes the show worth revisiting why? because the acting is good and believable .the characters are relatable or engaging and the stories are good and timeless which STD despite three seasons hasn't manage to convey .And a show is more than than miniskirts(which back then were a symbol of female (sexual ) liberation) and hairstyles.The problem with STD is that the producers (of which there are 26 also not a good sign) focus too much on diversity and representation (and let me repeat for the millionth time that is not a bad thing ) that they forget to write good stories or write engaging relatable characters using these traits.

Let's face it NEX, you're pretty much a DINOSAUR now, due to the way that the TASTE of viewers has CHANGED over the last 60 YEARS ever since the FIRST TREK SERIES was made.

The issues with STD have nothing to do with politics or the change in tastes my tastes have changed over the years the problems with STD is IN THE EXECUTION Invidia

And you can keep BEATING YOUR CHEST all you want to, but that's still NOT going to CHANGE the FACT that DISCOVERY will produce a 4TH SEASON of the SHOW, and it also says that they planned to make a 5TH SEASON of it at the SAME TIME as they made S4 (until the VIRUS shut down production).

Now you're projecting and that still doesn't answer the main question WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR SEASON 4 AND WHO IS GOING TO STREAM IT OUTSIDE(where most of the profits comes from)THE US???????????????????

And that's also why what you keep saying isn't RATIONAL.

I am being completely rational you are on the other hand irrational denying the truth

Because when a SHOW has made 3 SEASONS and is about to produce a 4TH SEASON, it MAKES NO SENSE whatsoever to say that the show hasn't been a SUCCESS.

Because of contractual obligations most series get signed for multiple seasons which is why Netflix so far has paid for the three seasons but because Kurtzman went on a spending spree during season 1 which was something that was not something Kurtzman was allowed to under the contract Netflix is now free from their commitment after the court ruling of last year. If they had broken up their contract before that court ruling they would have had to pay Kurtzman for breach of contract which is something unfortunately that still applies for the contract between Secret Hideout and Viacom/CBS otherwise Secret Hideout would have been axed by Viacom/CBS already.(this is exactly what I mean that you have to know what goes on behind the scenes in the entertainment industry).

YOU might not like it, but that doesn't mean their are NOT others who DO LIKE IT.

Sure there are but judging by the user reviews on multiple sites I am confident in saying that they are a small minority most viewers don't like the show for the same reasons I mentioned

And that's also where your LOGIC BREAKS DOWN, because of the way you're also NOT WILLING to ADMIT that FACT.

I admitted it multiple times but those numbers are far below the numbers for the show to be profitable in any shape or form and this is where your logic breaks down my dear.

Or admit the FACT that the show would also NOT be making a 4TH SEASON if there were not LOTS of people who DO LIKE the SHOW.

Lots is an overstatement the show or regular TV draws roughly half the number of viewers ENT had (around 4 million) before it was canceled.

Because OBVIOUSLY they're also not going to keep PAYING to PRODUCE something that keeps LOSING LOTS of MONEY.

WHICH IS EXACTLY THE POINT I AM TRYING TO MAKE

So where's the FIGURES to PROVE that's the case???

I have given them on multiple occasions if you don't read them that's not my problem

But for some reason you also still keep insisting that this is the case ... that someone keeps DISHING OUT the DOLLARS to MAKE a SHOW that's done NOTHING but LOSE LOTS of MONEY.

I already explained that it was because of contractual obligations these deals get made on a multiple season basis if CBS or Netflix had canceled the series after season 1 they probably would have had to pay Secret Hideout hundreds of millions for breaching the contract .

So where's the FIGURES to PROVE that's the case???

I have given the numbers before and as for costs we can never know for sure because these numbers are a closely guarded secret but using common sense and top most watched shows on various steaming sites and which shows get canceled and which not one can make a projection what it takes to make a show profitable. And STD is not hitting those numbers.

HOW MUCH MONEY has it LOST???

How much did it LOSE the FIRST SEASON??? SECOND SEASON??? THIRD SEASON???

Like I said those numbers are secret and is something the studios and streaming services are not releasing.But let's apply common sense shall we Invidia? .1) Netflix back in 2019 had first choice in taking up Picard they declined to do so.Why would you turn down another show by the makers of a highly successful show you are streaming by the same producers that has the potential to be even more successful on the basis of the name Picard alone???? That is unless the show is not that successful and isn't drawing in enough viewers to warrant spending more money on anther show by the same producers.And after Netflix they went shopping around various other studios and platforms and it took extensive re-writes before Amazon finally picked up the bill.

2)Same thing applies for Picard why would both Netflix and Amazon decline funding Strange New Worlds when both are having a very successful show by the same producers in the same universe on their streaming services???????Well maybe it's because neither Picard and STD are bringing in the viewers needed for them to be profitable for each respective streaming services and up to today there are still no details where the funding for the show comes from and probably more important who is going to do the streaming outside the US ???

3)Well it was reported back in 2017 that each episode cost around $8-15 million to make (making it the most expensive show at the time recently surpassed by the LOTR series for Amazon with a budget of 500 million - 1 billion and Apple's Foundation series projected costing around the same) But there are unofficial reports that the costs per episode were probably much higher actually double the previously mentioned costs(The spending spree by Kurtzman?) So let's for the sake of accuracy taking both into account and say an episode costs around 15 million So for season 1 that is 15 x 15 million = 225 million , season 2 14 x 15 million = 210 million season 3 (with a reduced budget so let's say 10 million per episode) 13 x 10 million = 130 million so far STD has cost Netflix/Viacom $536 million that Invidia is a lot of subscribers and taking into account that it costs more than producing Star Trek alone to run a streaming service and making other new content you can easily figure out that STD is not profitable.

You always TALK in VAGUE TERMS but NEVER BACK UP the LOFTY kind of claims that you've made.

I've been pretty meticulous in explaining myself on multiple occasions you on the other hand send links to critics and reviewers that either are biased for various reasons other than quality or have shown not to understand the Star Trek universe at all or even more worrying lack an understanding of basic story telling.

And as soon as someone challenges you to do so, you also CLAM UP and say you're not willing to discuss the matter anymore.

Because I have given ample explanations and examples in the past but if one doesn't even bother to read them having a discussion becomes rather one sided doesn't it?

And that's also what's IRRATIONAL about attempting to have a conversation with you, is the way that the claims you make are NEVER BACKED UP with any kind of EVIDENCE or PROOF of whatever claim t is that you make.

What is irrational that someone with an education like yours fails to see a show for what it is and let herself be so deluded by so called "unbiased critics" who know less about Star Trek than you and I .The same critics who put diversity and representation over good story writing, writing engaging and relatable characters and like the writers lack an understanding of basic physics which in a SF series is very important since actual science is often the foundation for fictional science and technology that allows helping the viewer to suspend disbelieve.

..and within a couple of hours the tune has to "critics are irrelevant":

Yeah if those same critics who don't give STD any negative review but give the most loved and generally regarded as best Star Trek show (and won a lot of awards )TNG a 5.1 average with 2 negative reviews? that kind of dismisses them as "proper critics "IMO.Especially nowadays when critics wouldn't dare criticize a show that claims to promote diversity and representation because of the response on social media by overzealous SJW'S.These studios are very smart by announcing that their films and shows promote a certain cause because it is like critical teflon. Plus after reading those critic reviews one can't help but feeling that they haven't watched the entire season or only read the story synopsis.

BTW RT's seasonal Critic ratings for DIS go 82%, 81% with S3 at 90%. If you think the critic ratings are gamed, what about the audience ones? Easily fixed by anyone with an axe to grind.

And I am the one accused of conspiracy thinking 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣what is it this time Russian bots???

Also another good indicator of the popularity of a show is the franchise's merchandise well there is hardly any merchandise and what little there is isn't selling in the amounts prior to 2017 and the ones that are selling are mostly related to the old shows(TOS-ENT) but as far as STD merchandise goes it is hardly selling .In fact a manufacturer for Star Trek merchandise for decades has declined a new contract in 2020 because Trek merchandise wasn't selling.

I'm trying to decide if you're a masochist, because you keep watching and writing about a show you hate, or if you secretly love DIS but don't want to admit it. I know I wouldn't waste so much time on a show I disliked.

I am a Star Trek fan I watch it to give a proper opinion on the show.

Don't know what the Covid rules are in Holland, but maybe you should get yourself to a coffee house ASAP and chill out.

I am pretty chilled out here and I have given calm cohesive and unemotional replies unlike certain other posters.And Holland has been in full lockdown for over a month and by the looks of it we will be in lockdown until at least March/April with mask now being obligatory and a government seriously considering having a curfew from 8 PM until 6 AM . 😷😷😷😷😷