@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Let's get real, that concept is one of many social mores instilled into culture by men. If you go back in history a woman's value was only maintained with her chastity, back when royal families married off their daughters to arrange alliances , gain wealth , power, land, armies etc.

A woman who already had sex was viewed as worthless and unmarriageable , so it's reasonable women over generations would embrace the value placed on thier chastity by men.

Now flash forward to present, a lot of women are taught by thier(often religious) families to be discriminate with who they sleep with or even save themselves for marriage.

@CalabrianQueen said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Let's get real, that concept is a social more instilled into culture by men. If you go back in history a woman's value was only maintained with her chastity, back when royal families married off their daughters to arrange alliances , gain wealth , power, land, armies etc.

A woman who already had sex was viewed as worthless and unmarriageable , so it's reasonable women over generations would embrace the value placed on thier chastity by men.

Now flash forward to present, a lot of women are taught by thier(often religious) families to be discriminate with who they sleep with or even save themselves for marriage.

Good point ! But you'd think as a society we would have shed these mindsets by 2018.

What's your take on women not handling rejection? I think it's something that gets overlooked. When men respond with anger to rejection we're viewed as aggressors . Why don't women, other than obvious physical differences between us?

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Well, you and Knixon are more the exception than the rule. I've met plenty of men who would take it wherever and whenever they could get it. I don't know any woman who thinks her vajay is a "prize", just ones who don't think they should have to give it to any guy who expresses an interest.

@CalabrianQueen said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Let's get real, that concept is a social more instilled into culture by men. If you go back in history a woman's value was only maintained with her chastity, back when royal families married off their daughters to arrange alliances , gain wealth , power, land, armies etc.

A woman who already had sex was viewed as worthless and unmarriageable , so it's reasonable women over generations would embrace the value placed on thier chastity by men.

Now flash forward to present, a lot of women are taught by thier(often religious) families to be discriminate with who they sleep with or even save themselves for marriage.

Exactly!

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Well, if it is a sacred temple, then turning it down would be a sin.

As for the rarity of people like me/us, I've never had any trouble with the idea that I'm different than - I would say better than - most other men/people. Just looking around at the world on a daily basis makes that pretty clear. Even little things like how other people throw trash on the ground, while I pick it up. I pick up pieces of broken glass from the beer bottles other people throw against cement, so that other peoples' children don't hurt their feet while going barefoot. And on and on. (If someone wants to argue that being less susceptible to feminine wiles is not a plus, you can make your argument. But don't expect me to take it seriously.)

@Gothish520 said:

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

That might be part of the difference. Some women think they're EVERYONE'S type.

I would argue that the goal of chastity in the past was more about keeping track of progeny. If a woman was not a virgin at marriage, the husband might wonder if she'll cheat on him afterward too. Which could result in him supporting and later leaving land etc to children that are not really his. When dealing with property, alliances, etc, the actual lineage/paternity of children is important.

@Gothish520 said:

@CalabrianQueen said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

That's probably part of it, but I think there's more. Some women, at least - maybe most women - have, perhaps in response to how many men are, also come to view sex as the ultimate "prize" they can offer. And anyone with the temerity to turn down that "prize," well, how DARE they!

Agreed. I think a lot of women veiw their their genitals as some kind of sacred temple that men have to prove they're worthy to visit.

I don't mean to sound braggadocious , but I'm my youth a lot of girls in my town who thought they were top notch would chase me and get turned down. Then they would get ANGRY, curse at me, yell, throw things, all the above like I committed a sin by saying" thanks but no thanks."

Let's get real, that concept is a social more instilled into culture by men. If you go back in history a woman's value was only maintained with her chastity, back when royal families married off their daughters to arrange alliances , gain wealth , power, land, armies etc.

A woman who already had sex was viewed as worthless and unmarriageable , so it's reasonable women over generations would embrace the value placed on thier chastity by men.

Now flash forward to present, a lot of women are taught by thier(often religious) families to be discriminate with who they sleep with or even save themselves for marriage.

Exactly!

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

Not to sound braggadocious but I've never been turned down either 😉

Then there is Sheldon and Martha

@CalabrianQueen said:

Not to sound braggadocious but I've never been turned down either 😉

Which proves what, exactly? That you've never met a better person/man such as ArcticFox or myself? It's already been established/agreed that many/most men will take anything that's offered. So "I've never been turned down" would say more about many/most men, than it does about you.

@Knixon said:

@Gothish520 said:

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

That might be part of the difference. Some women think they're EVERYONE'S type.

I would argue that the goal of chastity in the past was more about keeping track of progeny. If a woman was not a virgin at marriage, the husband might wonder if she'll cheat on him afterward too. Which could result in him supporting and later leaving land etc to children that are not really his. When dealing with property, alliances, etc, the actual lineage/paternity of children is important.

Good point as well. I think both of your points about chastity are spot on, but my other question hasn't really been addressed yet. Why is it that women can respond to rejection with anger and not be condemned for it the way men routinely are?

My first guess would be that it's not just "most men" that view a woman agreeing to sex as a "prize," but that it's filtered into general society too. Considering so many aspects like how many books and movies and etc are about the pursuit of sex, and the "victory" when that goal is finally achieved... It may not be surprising that society might basically take women's side on that. (What, society takes women's side AGAIN???) Also women are expected to be more emotional while men are expected to be more stoic, and women getting angry/possibly violent is less generally feared (except regarding children, I suppose) than men getting angry/possibly violent... Plus when women get angry at men it's more likely that society will figure the man deserves it... Wow, there's just double standards all over the place!

I wonder if it would make a difference if more people saw things like "The Verdict" with Paul Newman. I don't know about you, but I'd say Charlotte Rampling's character really had it coming.

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

@Gothish520 said:

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

That might be part of the difference. Some women think they're EVERYONE'S type.

I would argue that the goal of chastity in the past was more about keeping track of progeny. If a woman was not a virgin at marriage, the husband might wonder if she'll cheat on him afterward too. Which could result in him supporting and later leaving land etc to children that are not really his. When dealing with property, alliances, etc, the actual lineage/paternity of children is important.

Good point as well. I think both of your points about chastity are spot on, but my other question hasn't really been addressed yet. Why is it that women can respond to rejection with anger and not be condemned for it the way men routinely are?

Fox, I have Knixon on ignore so you'll have to translate his posts for me 😊.

Neway, I'd like to address your primary question. A lot of women have little to no experience being rejected . There are some out there with extremely high opinions of themselves who may respond the way you described ,IMO they are few and far between.

What drives those women crazy isn't necessarily the rejection on it's own, it's being denied something they wanted and have never been denied before.

But entitlement goes both ways, just as some women feel entitled to get what they want when they want it, some men do too.

The glaring difference is frequency. I think we can all agree men approach and proposition more often so obviously men will get rejected more often. The social expectation is that more rejection desensitizes you to it's sting, So women aren't expected to be USED to rejection.

Therein lies the difference. I'm not saying that's fair either, just explaining the rationale.

@CalabrianQueen said:

@ArcticFox12 said:

@Knixon said:

@Gothish520 said:

I don't know where Arctic and Knixon are from, or from what era, but my experience has been that men rarely turn down sex and in fact pursue it with vigor. And not to sound braggadocious, but I've rarely been turned down. Then again, I've rarely had to ask.

The one or two times when I've let a man know I was interested and he wasn't, I shrugged and went about my business. I wasn't outraged or insulted - I obviously wasn't his type. It's not like I had any time or emotions invested in the guy.

That might be part of the difference. Some women think they're EVERYONE'S type.

I would argue that the goal of chastity in the past was more about keeping track of progeny. If a woman was not a virgin at marriage, the husband might wonder if she'll cheat on him afterward too. Which could result in him supporting and later leaving land etc to children that are not really his. When dealing with property, alliances, etc, the actual lineage/paternity of children is important.

Good point as well. I think both of your points about chastity are spot on, but my other question hasn't really been addressed yet. Why is it that women can respond to rejection with anger and not be condemned for it the way men routinely are?

Fox, I have Knixon on ignore so you'll have to translate his posts for me 😊.

Neway, I'd like to address your primary question. A lot of women have little to no experience being rejected . There are some out there with extremely high opinions of themselves who may respond the way you described ,IMO they are few and far between.

What drives those women crazy isn't necessarily the rejection on it's own, it's being denied something they wanted and have never been denied before.

But entitlement goes both ways, just as some women feel entitled to get what they want when they want it, some men do too.

The glaring difference is frequency. I think we can all agree men approach and proposition more often so obviously men will get rejected more often. The social expectation is that more rejection desensitizes you to it's sting, So women aren't expected to be USED to rejection.

Therein lies the difference. I'm not saying that's fair either, just explaining the rationale.

Now that's the answer I was looking for!

I agree with a lot of what you said but I also believe women should be held accountable to the same degree as men for the same behaviours.

The #Metoo movement paints men as the sole aggressors and perpetrators of harassment and a whole assortment of deviant behaviours that certainly aren't exclusive to men.

I'm sure if the media cared enough they could find a good number of men with stories of being harassed by women but unfortunately those stories don't get as many clicks , attention, awareness or respect.

Also, Don't mind Knixon, we can have a friendly Mars vs Venus debate without bickering.

There's a lot of patting ourselves on the back in this thread , I'd say initiated by me 😊.

Women aren't used to being told "no" just about sex, it's in a lot of other areas too. But I don't think that justifies bad behavior among (presumably at least mostly adult) women any more than it does among, say, four-year-olds. Of EITHER gender. But it's a lot more difficult to send (presumably at least mostly adult) women to their rooms without supper.

@Knixon said:

Women aren't used to being told "no" just about sex, it's in a lot of other areas too. But I don't think that justifies bad behavior among (presumably at least mostly adult) women any more than it does among, say, four-year-olds. Of EITHER gender. But it's a lot more difficult to send (presumably at least mostly adult) women to their rooms without supper.

She didn't say it justified it, she even admitted it's not fair. I honestly don't think you read the whole post.

Why do you argue with people who AGREE with you?

Neway, I think a few people have you on ignore so they can respond to my repost of what you said themselves.