This show has fallen off so hard. In its current state it plays out like teenage written fan fiction. First few seasons were soooo good too, this could have been one of the greats along side the likes of Seinfeld, Friends etc. But they killed it.

"He said, 'Look, when you creating something, it's very important not to run yourself dry. It's not about finishing on top necessarily, but making sure that you are creatively still have something left, which propels you into whatever is next,'" - Jerry Seinfeld to Hugh Jackman who than later decided to end his run as Wolverine.

And what has Seinfeld done in since the end of "SEINFELD" that's been so creatively brilliant? What was next for him was to be propelled back to stand up - and count his money from "SEINFELD" syndication deals. And a web-series "Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee". And hey, to quote Seinfeld, "not that there's anything wrong with that", but I can't stand it when these people doing 1/2 hour sitcoms get self-righteous about it like they're doing Shakespeare or something.

These people on TBBT know this is likely their last, best payoff. I don't blame them at all for keeping it going - as long as they can. And they are still very high in the ratings. If people actually don't think it's funny - at all - don't watch. What's really getting boring is hearing over and over again people pining for the first few seasons. And while this thread is new here, on IMDB we got a thread like this 1-2 times per week for the last 3 years. Talk about boring.

@CalabrianQueen said:

1)Sheldon and Amy have dull conversations 2) Penny and Leonard engage in petty bickering 3) Raj is emotionally needy

This is pretty much the same formula they've been reliant on for weeks now. It would be great if they would abandon it because it's getting boring.

I'm if writing this show the next few episodes would move away from this completely.

I agree.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

And what has Seinfeld done in since the end of "SEINFELD" that's been so creatively brilliant?

Isn't that the point, though? Don't do what he did? Especially the last season of Seinfeld was a disaster.

@Stratego! said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

And what has Seinfeld done in since the end of "SEINFELD" that's been so creatively brilliant?

Isn't that the point, though? Don't do what he did? Especially the last season of Seinfeld was a disaster.

It absolutely was not. Head over to the Seinfeld board to see a post I made a few weeks back on that very thing. S9 has some classics, the finale clouded peoples opinions though, rightfully so.

@JarekReanimated said:

@Stratego! said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

And what has Seinfeld done in since the end of "SEINFELD" that's been so creatively brilliant?

Isn't that the point, though? Don't do what he did? Especially the last season of Seinfeld was a disaster.

It absolutely was not. Head over to the Seinfeld board to see a post I made a few weeks back on that very thing. S9 has some classics, the finale clouded peoples opinions though, rightfully so.

Uhm, the last few seasons were indeed crap. I don't really care to read your post, it won't change my opinion.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

These people on TBBT know this is likely their last, best payoff. I don't blame them at all for keeping it going - as long as they can. And they are still very high in the ratings. If people actually don't think it's funny - at all - don't watch. What's really getting boring is hearing over and over again people pining for the first few seasons. And while this thread is new here, on IMDB we got a thread like this 1-2 times per week for the last 3 years. Talk about boring.

To be fair, CQ was referring to the last few episodes, not a general dislike of the show in the later seasons and the unreasonable pining for earlier seasons. I have to agree that the last few episodes have felt rudderless. It seems like they have something to go with here, between the guys' work with the Air Force and Raj trying to get out on his own, but they don't seem to be doing anything about it.

And I disagree on this being the last, best payoff. Jerry Seinfeld himself and Julia-Louis Dreyfus are faring decently in their post-Seinfeld work (Julia keeps cranking out those Emmys). And the entire cast of Friends (even David Schwimmer now) are still getting work. Hell, CBS all but begged Matt LeBlanc to headline a sitcom for them. And they've got Matthew Perry one way or another in the fold with his Good Wife/Fight work and The Odd Couple. The BBT cast has the talent and likability to find work after this, IMHO.

I'm kinda numb as to the story plots this season. I think there's a baby somewhere and Raj had five minutes with a new female character. And Sheldon moving into Penny's apartment? Without a complete cleansing? There are probably dirty... socks everywhere. Regardless, I've enjoyed most of the episodes this season. I guess I'm overlooking a lot of faults.

@MurphAndTheMagicTones said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

And I disagree on this being the last, best payoff. Jerry Seinfeld himself and Julia-Louis Dreyfus are faring decently in their post-Seinfeld work (Julia keeps cranking out those Emmys). And the entire cast of Friends (even David Schwimmer now) are still getting work. Hell, CBS all but begged Matt LeBlanc to headline a sitcom for them. And they've got Matthew Perry one way or another in the fold with his Good Wife/Fight work and The Odd Couple. The BBT cast has the talent and likability to find work after this, IMHO.

None of those those people, from Seinfeld or Friends, ever met or eclipsed the fame and payoff they got from their signature shows. Getting work and faring decently are one thing. I never said they'd be unemployed paupers. But the odds of any of them eclipsing what they have right now are pretty slim. History shows that to the case. It's not 100%, but it's highly likely.

Matt LeBlanc's show SUCKS. And Matthew Perry has been in more failed shows than I can count. Schwimmer hasn't done anything close to the success of FRIENDS. Courtney Cox had some sub-par unfunny show on TBS. Aniston has had a somewhat successful film career, but most have been flops. She's more known for who she dates than the roles she's taken. Kudrow has done some interesting stuff, but nothing as successful as Friends. I won't even go into SEINFELD'S Michael Richards.

My point wasn't that they won't work. My point was that this is likely their last best payoff. I stand by that analysis. It's just part of the business. I'd also say the fact they keep re-upping and don't walk away from that, while not evidence, sure supports that theory. Parsons and Galecki are in their 40's, while Helberg and Nayyar are in their mid-30's. By the time the show is over, Cuoco will be mid-30's too. Hollywood is a young persons game. The odds are stacked against any of them striking it as rich as they have it now. But, they are set for life if they invest wisely and negotiate a good deal on syndication.

It's not a knock on them either. It's the way of the world. Even Lucille Ball, Fonzie's Henry Winkler, Ted Danson and most of the cast of CHEERS, and on and on, those roles were their acting apex. The rarity is a show like ER, that spit out George Clooney, as well as Julianna Margulies. And even in Julianna Margulies case, THE GOOD WIFE was never at the level of ER (though it came close). And in that case she was the lead. And yes, there's people who go on to direct, like Ron Howard. But overall, when you are on a #1 show that lasts for years, that's usually the height of your acting career - and it's wise to cash in while you can. I just find Jerry Seinfeld to be a bit disingenuous if he gives that advice to actors to 'walk away'. Even in the future, the cast of TBBT won't reap the rewards of syndication to the level Jerry did - because he, along with Larry David, co-created SEINFELD - so they had a much better and bigger stake in the reruns and syndication profits.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@MurphAndTheMagicTones said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

And I disagree on this being the last, best payoff. Jerry Seinfeld himself and Julia-Louis Dreyfus are faring decently in their post-Seinfeld work (Julia keeps cranking out those Emmys). And the entire cast of Friends (even David Schwimmer now) are still getting work. Hell, CBS all but begged Matt LeBlanc to headline a sitcom for them. And they've got Matthew Perry one way or another in the fold with his Good Wife/Fight work and The Odd Couple. The BBT cast has the talent and likability to find work after this, IMHO.

None of those those people, from Seinfeld or Friends, ever met or eclipsed the fame and payoff they got from their signature shows. Getting work and faring decently are one thing. I never said they'd be unemployed paupers. But the odds of any of them eclipsing what they have right now are pretty slim. History shows that to the case. It's not 100%, but it's highly likely.

Matt LeBlanc's show SUCKS. And Matthew Perry has been in more failed shows than I can count. Schwimmer hasn't done anything close to the success of FRIENDS. Courtney Cox had some sub-par unfunny show on TBS. Aniston has had a somewhat successful film career, but most have been flops. She's more known for who she dates than the roles she's taken. Kudrow has done some interesting stuff, but nothing as successful as Friends. I won't even go into SEINFELD'S Michael Richards.

My point wasn't that they won't work. My point was that this is likely their last best payoff. I stand by that analysis. It's just part of the business. I'd also say the fact they keep re-upping and don't walk away from that, while not evidence, sure supports that theory. Parsons and Galecki are in their 40's, while Helberg and Nayyar are in their mid-30's. By the time the show is over, Cuoco will be mid-30's too. Hollywood is a young persons game. The odds are stacked against any of them striking it as rich as they have it now. But, they are set for life if they invest wisely and negotiate a good deal on syndication.

It's not a knock on them either. It's the way of the world. Even Lucille Ball, Fonzie's Henry Winkler, Ted Danson and most of the cast of CHEERS, and on and on, those roles were their acting apex. The rarity is a show like ER, that spit out George Clooney, as well as Julianna Margulies. And even in Julianna Margulies case, THE GOOD WIFE was never at the level of ER (though it came close). And in that case she was the lead. And yes, there's people who go on to direct, like Ron Howard. But overall, when you are on a #1 show that lasts for years, that's usually the height of your acting career - and it's wise to cash in while you can. I just find Jerry Seinfeld to be a bit disingenuous if he gives that advice to actors to 'walk away'. Even in the future, the cast of TBBT won't reap the rewards of syndication to the level Jerry did - because he, along with Larry David, co-created SEINFELD - so they had a much better and bigger stake in the reruns and syndication profits.

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Yes the show is getting like "Groundhog Day" . To be honest if I was a writer on the show I would be stuck in the same pattern too. Short scenes involving everyone in every episode is the problem.

@znexyish said:

Yes the show is getting like "Groundhog Day" . To be honest if I was a writer on the show I would be stuck in the same pattern too. Short scenes involving everyone in every episode is the problem.

Especially when they have half the cast separated from each other for most/all of the episode. That means it's essentially 2 shows within 1, and with 18 minute episodes, you are essentially looking at 2 separate 9 minute skits. Hard to really push much plot development there. The tendency would be to fall back on basic characteristics of each performer.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@znexyish said:

Yes the show is getting like "Groundhog Day" . To be honest if I was a writer on the show I would be stuck in the same pattern too. Short scenes involving everyone in every episode is the problem.

Especially when they have half the cast separated from each other for most/all of the episode. That means it's essentially 2 shows within 1, and with 18 minute episodes, you are essentially looking at 2 separate 9 minute skits. Hard to really push much plot development there. The tendency would be to fall back on basic characteristics of each performer.

It's formulaic. Change who's interacting with who, otherwise every episode strikes me as similar.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@MurphAndTheMagicTones said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

Courtney Cox had some sub-par unfunny show on TBS.

I just have to say, I LOVE Cougar Town. Funny show, very underrated in my opinion. It ran for six seasons and 102 episodes, which really is not too shabby. But of course, I agree it doesn't match Friends in level of success. Still, I feel it's a show Courtney Cox should be proud of.