@sheezcrazy said:

+chrisjdel: I see we agree on Trump as well. I grew up in the northeast, but retired to a southern red state. The mentality here is mind-boggling. These people actually think Trump would enjoy coming to a barbecue at their homes and have a Bud Lite with them. The majority are receiving government entitlements or subsidies, and yet they hate the party that is responsible for their inception. To tell them the very clean air they breath is in jeopardy now is met with scorn.

Are you agreeing with Chris or me regarding Trump? In any case, I know he pretty much has similar feelings. So in the end...I guess it's a moot point.

@chrisjdel said:

@sheezcrazy said:

+Nubyan, you're right. You can't bail actually bail out a street. But it is home to the casino frequented by Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Chase and the other legion of banks who were the main recipients of our bail out largess. And I also consider it to be the scene of the crime. The necessity of a bailout is the commonly held belief, and I would be very interested in seeing anything written on an opposing position. I certainly don't know enough about economics to formulate that position.

The global banking system is an integral part of the economy, a total Wall Street collapse would have triggered a domino chain of bank failures elsewhere and plunged the whole world into a deep recession. What we don't need to do is allow a small number of really really big institutions to control the whole system. That "too big to fail" crap needs to end. Not that they've done much of anything in that regard. Once the spotlight faded it was pretty much back to business as usual. The government needs to rediscover an ancient and long buried secret: anti-trust laws. They need to break up these big corporations into a whole bunch of little ones that are small enough to fail.

So this global recession would be worse than the one we experienced with ten percent unemployment? In other words, a depression. As for anti-trust laws: it took corporate America 50 years to undo FDR's legislation to protect middle America. Trump had the BALLS to say while campaigning that he would try to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Ha! He wasn't in office for a month and he was examining Dodd-Frank. With him as leader of the free world, I seriously would not be surprised to see the yen obtain reserve currency status. Frightening !

+Nubyan: I despise Trump. I think all politicians have a touch of megalomania, but Donny is the worst.

@sheezcrazy said:

@chrisjdel said:

So this global recession would be worse than the one we experienced with ten percent unemployment? In other words, a depression. As for anti-trust laws: it took corporate America 50 years to undo FDR's legislation to protect middle America. Trump had the BALLS to say while campaigning that he would try to reinstate Glass-Steagall. Ha! He wasn't in office for a month and he was examining Dodd-Frank. With him as leader of the free world, I seriously would not be surprised to see the yen obtain reserve currency status. Frightening !

The Dodd-Frank issue itself is frightening. Protections for Americans like yourself and me on the list of things to f*uck with. I just don't get how anyone can sleep well at night with this insane man at the helm.

@Nubyan said:

@chrisjdel said:

I guess my only ray of sunshine here is that the open display of greed and pandering to big business will enrage the average citizen enough over the next few years to trigger our own version of the Arab Spring. A bloodless revolution would be preferable to the alternative, which would be our only other way out of a future of direct corporate government.

I don't know. So many of those people are deaf dumb and blind. To think a orange hairy circus clown is fit to run the government is just beyond compression. But nevertheless, they think he's going to save them and give them their country back. A country he's willing to gamble with Russia.

Bat sh*it crazy and donkey sh*it stupid!

You've said it all, there. And in this new dawn of amurrica, that "legal line" corporations like to toe is going to get very blurry.

Trying to guess why any company does anything because the old logic is draining out of the picture.

@Nubyan said:

I don't know. So many of those people are deaf dumb and blind. To think a orange hairy circus clown is fit to run the government is just beyond compression. But nevertheless, they think he's going to save them and give them their country back. A country he's willing to gamble with Russia.

Bat sh*it crazy and donkey sh*it stupid!

Agreed! When I heard one of his supports say that he was a self-made billionaire I just scratched my head. Even if we go with what he says, which is that his daddy gave him only 1 million in the early 70s, not the 14 million that's been reported. I wondered how the hell that was self-made. There logic is truly confounding.

These people don't care about logic. The problem is obstinance and sheer hatred for the other side of the coin. They don't care to educate themselves, and I'm afraid they never will. I have never in all my years of voting seen people so blindly follow a philosophy that they know very well is wrong but they follow it solely because they refuse to give in to the other side of things. It is ignorance and there will be no overcoming this type of obstinate stupidity.

@Nubyan said:

@chrisjdel said:

I guess my only ray of sunshine here is that the open display of greed and pandering to big business will enrage the average citizen enough over the next few years to trigger our own version of the Arab Spring. A bloodless revolution would be preferable to the alternative, which would be our only other way out of a future of direct corporate government.

I don't know. So many of those people are deaf dumb and blind. To think a orange hairy circus clown is fit to run the government is just beyond compression. But nevertheless, they think he's going to save them and give them their country back. A country he's willing to gamble with Russia.

Bat sh*it crazy and donkey sh*it stupid!

I was one of the people ridiculed for supporting Occupy Wall Street. The anger is there: we're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore. Sadly, although the movement gained a lot of momentum, it was never made clear (to me, anyway) exactly where it was going. And then it just kinda faded away........

@NorthernLad said:

These people don't care about logic. The problem is obstinance and sheer hatred for the other side of the coin. They don't care to educate themselves, and I'm afraid they never will. I have never in all my years of voting seen people so blindly follow a philosophy that they know very well is wrong but they follow it solely because they refuse to give in to the other side of things. It is ignorance and there will be no overcoming this type of obstinate stupidity.

Oh, yeah. Absolutely ridiculous. A good example of this is the comment board on the Daily Mail. Unbelievable that anyone can be so stubbornly misguided.

@NorthernLad said:

These people don't care about logic. The problem is obstinance and sheer hatred for the other side of the coin. They don't care to educate themselves, and I'm afraid they never will. I have never in all my years of voting seen people so blindly follow a philosophy that they know very well is wrong but they follow it solely because they refuse to give in to the other side of things. It is ignorance and there will be no overcoming this type of obstinate stupidity.

You nailed it. "Hatred for the other side of the coin".

I wonder what would happen if they were to suddenly find themselves on what would be considered the other side? Oppression as a result of bigotry is a tricky thing.

Today, they consider themselves winners. Tomorrow could be entirely different. No one ever seems to think of that until tomorrow comes.

@NorthernLad said:

Re: IMDB,

Is anyone out there still using it? I'm not. It's sad too. I've watched a few new movies and immediately wanted to go to IMDB to see what other people have said about the movie and then remembered that the site is now pretty useless. I pretty much expect IMDB will fade away now.

TMDB is pretty good...and I'm enjoying it so far...but right now, it's still not quite up to par with how good IMDB used to be.

I still use it. There's a great deal of useful information there. I used the boards, but I always visited imdb.com more for the info. This site doesn't have as much coverage.

@sheezcrazy said: I still use it. There's a great deal of useful information there. I used the boards, but I always visited imdb.com more for the info. This site doesn't have as much coverage.

Many of IMDB's contributors have migrated here so that's bound to change over time. Amazon was being very short-sighted in shutting down the boards, especially the way they did it - no user input and a surprise two weeks' notice to GTFO. And keeping the contributors' board open was like an additional slap in the face. We don't give a rat's ass what you want, but keep doing free work for us! Right. Site traffic is down in English speaking countries (where people would've been using the forums) and slightly up elsewhere, so the total drop in traffic has been less than 1% so far. As their new content slows to a trickle compared to what it was, and IMDB gradually becomes just another glitzy index site with lots of ads for Amazon, their monthly traffic will begin a long slow decay. It won't happen quickly but serving an eviction notice to the very people who make the site what it is can have no other end result.

@chrisjdel said:

@sheezcrazy said: I still use it. There's a great deal of useful information there. I used the boards, but I always visited imdb.com more for the info. This site doesn't have as much coverage.

Many of IMDB's contributors have migrated here so that's bound to change over time. Amazon was being very short-sighted in shutting down the boards, especially the way they did it - no user input and a surprise two weeks' notice to GTFO. And keeping the contributors' board open was like an additional slap in the face. We don't give a rat's ass what you want, but keep doing free work for us! Right. Site traffic is down in English speaking countries (where people would've been using the forums) and slightly up elsewhere, so the total drop in traffic has been less than 1% so far. As their new content slows to a trickle compared to what it was, and IMDB gradually becomes just another glitzy index site with lots of ads for Amazon, their monthly traffic will begin a long slow decay. It won't happen quickly but serving an eviction notice to the very people who make the site what it is can have no other end result.

I go there occasionally if I'm interested in a bio and/or projects a specific artist has been involved in. However, I go to the site grudgingly. But then once there, I will remember that I can go to, say...Wikipedia for the same information for which I will gladly do that instead.

Old habits die hard. Soon, IMDb won't even be in my frame of reference when I want to check something out. They will eventually feel the affects of knowing that their former members realize that they are not the only place to hang out.

Wish can add more info here too like trivia and soundtrack (though some trivias are nonsense lol). I can go to wikipedia but easier if one site. So far like checking out cast & crew I use TMDB

@Nubyan said:

@chrisjdel said:

@sheezcrazy said: I still use it. There's a great deal of useful information there. I used the boards, but I always visited imdb.com more for the info. This site doesn't have as much coverage.

Many of IMDB's contributors have migrated here so that's bound to change over time. Amazon was being very short-sighted in shutting down the boards, especially the way they did it - no user input and a surprise two weeks' notice to GTFO. And keeping the contributors' board open was like an additional slap in the face. We don't give a rat's ass what you want, but keep doing free work for us! Right. Site traffic is down in English speaking countries (where people would've been using the forums) and slightly up elsewhere, so the total drop in traffic has been less than 1% so far. As their new content slows to a trickle compared to what it was, and IMDB gradually becomes just another glitzy index site with lots of ads for Amazon, their monthly traffic will begin a long slow decay. It won't happen quickly but serving an eviction notice to the very people who make the site what it is can have no other end result.

I go there occasionally if I'm interested in a bio and/or projects a specific artist has been involved in. However, I go to the site grudgingly. But then once there, I will remember that I can go to, say...Wikipedia for the same information for which I will gladly do that instead.

Old habits die hard. Soon, IMDb won't even be in my frame of reference when I want to check something out. They will eventually feel the affects of knowing that their former members realize that they are not the only place to hang out.

I have the same bad habit but the guilt rankles.

I also try to update cast and bios and other stuff here. Any time you can't find something you need here, find it elsewhere and add it here. Eventually this will be every bit as dense as IMDb. If we all work on it, it should happen quickly.