Since the episode hasn't officially been broadcast yet, maybe the hacker cut out the good parts.

much true.. but have in mind its just a show. remember last season? oh its so boring oh so slow.. now people complain about the action and mass scenes?.. what do you want? if i would be King queen of Dragons i would tell one to snach a walker other one to melt cercei in her throne and other one to cook me perfect meal. but its just me and my show wouldnt run for entire season. little bit mindless but amazing,we (as viewers) went behind the wall again we felt the cold and specialy felt the real thret real danger not the game of thrones but real enemy that can change entire game, we felt that those bone structures dont give a shit they can wait for water to freeze for a month and dont move.. btw that rock toss you misunderstood.. walkers saw that ice didnt break that it was solid.. so one started to walk and others followed and rest is history.. btw SPOILERS

1. I thought it seemed clear the wights weren't advancing because of the lake. When the rock didn't break the ice, one ventured out and then more, and the ice didn't crack. The rock, and then the gradual advance of other wights showed them it was safe to charge. Clegane shouldn't have thrown the rock, but in fairness they had been stuck there for probably (I'm guesstimating) between 12-18 hours in the freezing cold. And the Hound surely figured they were dead anyway, so he wanted to try to take some of them down.

2. There were more than 2 wights. There were plenty, and they were in position to climb on the dragon and/or attack the people on the dragon, including Dany. He keep fighting because they kept coming. There are plenty of nits to be picked, or things open to debate, but this is one where Jon was just showing his heroism, risking himself to protect her, the dragon, and the rest of his party.

3. Benjen was likely following the Night's King and his army. This really doesn't seem like one that should need to be spelled out by the show.

4. This isn't really any kind of specific issue, and certainly seems to have nothing to do with this episode, in fact she did the opposite in this episode, so nothing to say here.

I'll agree about the general stupidity of the mission itself. Tyrion and Davos had to go on a virtual suicide operation to set it up, then a virtual suicide mission for the King in the North and several good men. Having achieved their goal, now they don't even know if the zombie will stay animated as they transport it. And they are just opening up an opportunity for Cersei, who is basically defeated, to commit some kind of treachery. And nothing about her has ever indicated that she would believe in the White Walkers even given that level of proof, or the need for her to cooperate even if she does. And any kind of armistice, again, opens up the very real chance for treachery from her. And, does Cersei have enough troops to even worry about at this point? Doesn't seem like she can (though I suspect on the show she'll somehow come up with 50,000 at some point).

Yeah, the plan was beyond idiotic.

@Strawberry Shortcake said:

I agree it was total stupidity, and add two more facts:

1) So they caught a wight (not a white walker), so what? If they believe that as soon as they bring it to KL, Cersei will be persuaded to stop all hostilities and join forces against the army of the dead - they desperately need brain surgery.

2) They already know that dragonglass kills white walkers, but none of them bothers to equip himself with such weapon. Brilliant.

I have to agree. This is just plain stupid. These two aspects make the absurd time it took Gendry to walk to the wall and for the raven to get the message to Dany (like the same amount of time it took Dany to get beyond the wall flying on an effing dragon) seem like totally reasonable things to happen.

@Spaceman Spiff said:

1. I thought it seemed clear the wights weren't advancing because of the lake. When the rock didn't break the ice, one ventured out and then more, and the ice didn't crack. The rock, and then the gradual advance of other wights showed them it was safe to charge. Clegane shouldn't have thrown the rock, but in fairness they had been stuck there for probably (I'm guesstimating) between 12-18 hours in the freezing cold. And the Hound surely figured they were dead anyway, so he wanted to try to take some of them down.

2. There were more than 2 wights. There were plenty, and they were in position to climb on the dragon and/or attack the people on the dragon, including Dany. He keep fighting because they kept coming. There are plenty of nits to be picked, or things open to debate, but this is one where Jon was just showing his heroism, risking himself to protect her, the dragon, and the rest of his party.

3. Benjen was likely following the Night's King and his army. This really doesn't seem like one that should need to be spelled out by the show.

4. This isn't really any kind of specific issue, and certainly seems to have nothing to do with this episode, in fact she did the opposite in this episode, so nothing to say here.

I'll agree about the general stupidity of the mission itself. Tyrion and Davos had to go on a virtual suicide operation to set it up, then a virtual suicide mission for the King in the North and several good men. Having achieved their goal, now they don't even know if the zombie will stay animated as they transport it. And they are just opening up an opportunity for Cersei, who is basically defeated, to commit some kind of treachery. And nothing about her has ever indicated that she would believe in the White Walkers even given that level of proof, or the need for her to cooperate even if she does. And any kind of armistice, again, opens up the very real chance for treachery from her. And, does Cersei have enough troops to even worry about at this point? Doesn't seem like she can (though I suspect on the show she'll somehow come up with 50,000 at some point).

Yeah, the plan was beyond idiotic.

1. Yeah, but the little rock only weighs about 4 lbs. maybe...Those white walkers and wights weigh "tons" more than that little rock as a whole That rock shouldn't have signified to them that the ice was strong for them to walk on given it's relative ratio weight compared to theirs.
2. I only saw him slay about 3 wights, and they were toward the back of the dragon which everyone was in position and on board to depart, ready to take off. Best they could have done was stick a little tiny sword in its tail or side. based on its size, that would have been a sting. We already saw it take one in the wing in the last episode, and it was a much bigger arrow.
3. No no. You don't get off that easy. The timing was total deus ex machina. He suddenly appears at just the right time. And how would he know that jon Snow was still back there? If he was watching, why didn't he engage and help them out sooner?
4. Dany has softened recently. it was one thing to test out Tyrion's advising skills, but when his planning was defeated by the Lannisters recently, she shouldn't be as obedient and open to his advice.

Well, yeah, the whole thing was what they came up with to set the stage for the final season: give the night army a dragon, have Dany start to love Snow, get them to visit KL without invasion (as should be the case), and probably even some more stuff is set up from that. I just think they could have managed to come up with a better way to set the stage than this, which was uncharacteristically written awfully for the show. The show has had some weak writing, but this was on another level.

@Heisenberg12 said:

@Spaceman Spiff said:

1. I thought it seemed clear the wights weren't advancing because of the lake. When the rock didn't break the ice, one ventured out and then more, and the ice didn't crack. The rock, and then the gradual advance of other wights showed them it was safe to charge. Clegane shouldn't have thrown the rock, but in fairness they had been stuck there for probably (I'm guesstimating) between 12-18 hours in the freezing cold. And the Hound surely figured they were dead anyway, so he wanted to try to take some of them down.

1. Yeah, but the little rock only weighs about 4 lbs. maybe...Those white walkers and wights weigh "tons" more than that little rock as a whole That rock shouldn't have signified to them that the ice was strong for them to walk on given it's relative ratio weight compared to theirs.

It was enough to make them curious about the status of the lake to test it (hence why only 1 walker went forth). When the others saw this, more came foreward, till all the others joined. I wouldn't consider this point as illogical, but more of a point of fact that the wights are displaying some intelligence (instead of being just mindless zombies).

JON SNOW IS AN IDIOT

It was his idea to lead a team north of the wall to capture an undead in the vein hope Cerci and the Lannisters, which is doomed to failure.

He insists of fighting the dead on that island ,delaying their escape long enough for the knight king to launch the magic spear to kill one of the dragons....and if that's not bad enough the delay is long enough for the knight King to launch a second spear that nearly brings the rest of the crew down as well.

Sure Let him lead the attack but not make any decisions.

@psl said:

JON SNOW IS AN IDIOT

It was his idea to lead a team north of the wall to capture an undead in the vein hope Cerci and the Lannisters, which is doomed to failure.

He insists of fighting the dead on that island ,delaying their escape long enough for the knight king to launch the magic spear to kill one of the dragons....and if that's not bad enough the delay is long enough for the knight King to launch a second spear that nearly brings the rest of the crew down as well.

Sure Let him lead the attack but not make any decisions.

Jon Snow is not an idiot, the writers of this show are idiots. Without any George RR Martin source material to work from, they are being exposed as the mediocre TV show writers that they are.

@mitsuko_soma said:

Jon Snow is not an idiot, the writers of this show are idiots. Without any George RR Martin source material to work from, they are being exposed as the mediocre TV show writers that they are.

Well said. I bet there is no parallel scene in the unpublished novels. The show writers give themselves way too much freedom of action.

@mitsuko_soma said:

@psl said:

JON SNOW IS AN IDIOT

It was his idea to lead a team north of the wall to capture an undead in the vein hope Cerci and the Lannisters, which is doomed to failure.

He insists of fighting the dead on that island ,delaying their escape long enough for the knight king to launch the magic spear to kill one of the dragons....and if that's not bad enough the delay is long enough for the knight King to launch a second spear that nearly brings the rest of the crew down as well.

Sure Let him lead the attack but not make any decisions.

Jon Snow is not an idiot, the writers of this show are idiots. Without any George RR Martin source material to work from, they are being exposed as the mediocre TV show writers that they are.

Like commanders in war never make decisions that backfire big time. Jon Snow has balls of steel and can inspire people to follow him, but no one ever accused the man of being a genius. We've already seen how Sansa tends to think things through better than he does. And frankly, they should've been able to take down that one walker and make off with their prize without fighting the Night King's entire army. It got botched in the execution. How were they supposed to know that one of them screaming like that would bring the rest down on them?

I don't think Cersei really believes in the army of the dead. Not yet anyway. I mean, Dani wasn't totally convinced until she saw it with her own eyes. Not being a moron, Cersei will certainly recognize that she can't rule the Seven Kingdoms if they're wiped out. She'll probably throw in with them for the duration. Of course, she'll be watching her new "allies" and taking note of their weaknesses, planning exactly how she's going to turn on them the moment their mutual enemies are defeated. If she hears about what that ice spear did to the dragon I'm sure she'll be trying to acquire as many as possible while killing white walkers. For afterward. The question is, will knowing she's going to betray them in the end be enough for Dani, Jon, and company to avoid stepping into her trap?

@Innovator said:

@Heisenberg12 said:

@Spaceman Spiff said:

1. I thought it seemed clear the wights weren't advancing because of the lake. When the rock didn't break the ice, one ventured out and then more, and the ice didn't crack. The rock, and then the gradual advance of other wights showed them it was safe to charge. Clegane shouldn't have thrown the rock, but in fairness they had been stuck there for probably (I'm guesstimating) between 12-18 hours in the freezing cold. And the Hound surely figured they were dead anyway, so he wanted to try to take some of them down.

1. Yeah, but the little rock only weighs about 4 lbs. maybe...Those white walkers and wights weigh "tons" more than that little rock as a whole That rock shouldn't have signified to them that the ice was strong for them to walk on given it's relative ratio weight compared to theirs.

It was enough to make them curious about the status of the lake to test it (hence why only 1 walker went forth). When the others saw this, more came foreward, till all the others joined. I wouldn't consider this point as illogical, but more of a point of fact that the wights are displaying some intelligence (instead of being just mindless zombies).

I think it was the walkers controlling the wights out onto the ice. I do think they are mindless.

@PANDJY said: I think it was the walkers controlling the wights out onto the ice. I do think they are mindless.

I tend to agree. They have no free will of their own. That was the point of showing the one on the ground being kicked and most of the army stirring as one. The dead who are turned by a walker are all linked to that walker, and become like appendages. The Night King has more than any of the others. So the one they bagged and tagged was probably under his control.

@psl said:

JON SNOW IS AN IDIOT

It was his idea to lead a team north of the wall to capture an undead in the vein hope Cerci and the Lannisters, which is doomed to failure.

He insists of fighting the dead on that island ,delaying their escape long enough for the knight king to launch the magic spear to kill one of the dragons....and if that's not bad enough the delay is long enough for the knight King to launch a second spear that nearly brings the rest of the crew down as well.

Sure Let him lead the attack but not make any decisions.

I agree Jon Snow is an idiot sometimes. I don't agree the writers are the idiots. The writers simply wrote the part of a skilled warrior who is not the smartest at decision making People like that exist in real life. Although I must say Jon coming out of the freezing water with no hypothermia wad idiotic on the part of the writers as this doesn't happen in real life.

@pit2001 said:

I agree Jon Snow is an idiot sometimes. I don't agree the writers are the idiots. The writers simply wrote the part of a skilled warrior who is not the smartest at decision making People like that exist in real life. Although I must say Jon coming out of the freezing water with no hypothermia wad idiotic on the part of the writers as this doesn't happen in real life.

Too bad he didn't have a freshly killed bear to crawl inside of to keep warm i.e. The Revenant . That bear from the beginning that attacked them would have came in handy, wherever the hell it was at that point🤔 .

@psl said:

JON SNOW IS AN IDIOT

It was his idea to lead a team north of the wall to capture an undead in the vein hope Cerci and the Lannisters, which is doomed to failure.

Wasn't it Tyrion's idea? Jon went along after Jorah volunteered, because he had fought the Walkers before.