Everybody says something else. First he wore the black suit, but now he didn't.

As we discovered last month, the black suit – which in the comic books was an integral part of Kal-El’s resurrection story following ‘The Death of Superman’ – was created for the movie, although Henry Cavill’s Clark never wore it (instead it appeared briefly in the background of a deleted scene).

“But as the tone of the film developed and we were in pre-production, the filmmakers felt that the classic red and blue suit seemed more appropriate to our story and our script. It seemed that a more positive, upbeat image of Superman was what was needed – the idea of hope and that the world could in fact be saved was important, so that’s the direction that we went.”

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/03/justice-league-costume-designer-explains-why-supermans-black-suit-wasnt-used/

Watchmen easter egg.

Watchmen cameo (of sorts) in Justice League. The image shows Barry Allen, aka the Flash, wearing a Watchmen-inspired t-shirt.

Little Easter eggs will never be enough to redeem Justice League’s box office failure or critical panning, but it once again proves how Snyder is so invested in his comic book movies.

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-watchmen-easter-egg-zack-snyder/

ZS invested time in the wrong things.

@HCFan said:

Everybody says something else. First he wore the black suit, but now he didn't.

As we discovered last month, the black suit – which in the comic books was an integral part of Kal-El’s resurrection story following ‘The Death of Superman’ – was created for the movie, although Henry Cavill’s Clark never wore it (instead it appeared briefly in the background of a deleted scene).

“But as the tone of the film developed and we were in pre-production, the filmmakers felt that the classic red and blue suit seemed more appropriate to our story and our script. It seemed that a more positive, upbeat image of Superman was what was needed – the idea of hope and that the world could in fact be saved was important, so that’s the direction that we went.”

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/03/justice-league-costume-designer-explains-why-supermans-black-suit-wasnt-used/

What the...?

The black suit is something that has fascinated us as filmmakers from the get-go. We saw a glimpse of it in the nightmare sequence from Man of Steel when Superman was wading through skulls,

Well, I'll be damned. I forgot that SM had the black suit on in MOS. TBH, I always skip that scene.

@Blue-Rose said:

@HCFan said:

Everybody says something else. First he wore the black suit, but now he didn't.

As we discovered last month, the black suit – which in the comic books was an integral part of Kal-El’s resurrection story following ‘The Death of Superman’ – was created for the movie, although Henry Cavill’s Clark never wore it (instead it appeared briefly in the background of a deleted scene).

“But as the tone of the film developed and we were in pre-production, the filmmakers felt that the classic red and blue suit seemed more appropriate to our story and our script. It seemed that a more positive, upbeat image of Superman was what was needed – the idea of hope and that the world could in fact be saved was important, so that’s the direction that we went.”

https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/03/justice-league-costume-designer-explains-why-supermans-black-suit-wasnt-used/

What the...?

The black suit is something that has fascinated us as filmmakers from the get-go. We saw a glimpse of it in the nightmare sequence from Man of Steel when Superman was wading through skulls,

Well, I'll be damned. I forgot that SM had the black suit on in MOS. TBH, I always skip that scene.

The "S" on that suit was black too. The "S" should be silver. I think you can see the "S" is kind of silver in JL.

@Jim666 said:

Watchmen easter egg.

Watchmen cameo (of sorts) in Justice League. The image shows Barry Allen, aka the Flash, wearing a Watchmen-inspired t-shirt.

Little Easter eggs will never be enough to redeem Justice League’s box office failure or critical panning, but it once again proves how Snyder is so invested in his comic book movies.

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-watchmen-easter-egg-zack-snyder/

ZS invested time in the wrong things.

Double-easter egg. Link to article

As discovered by Redditor @officialjfftv, when the prison guard who meets Barry Allen sends a signal to Bruce Wayne to let him know that he’s spotted the speedster, the symbol on his phone appears as a red old-fashioned telephone. Old-school Bat-fans will recognize this as a nod to the Bat-Phone featured in the show, which starred the late, great Adam West.

For those young whippersnappers amongst you who’ve never seen the 1960s series, the show dispensed with the Bat-signal and had Commissioner Gordon contact Batman via a special bright red phone in his office. This would then connect to an identical phone in Bruce Wayne’s study at Wayne Manor. It’s a neat 21st century update that the Bat-Phone is now an app on a cellphone.

With this find, the scene now becomes a double-easter egg. That’s because the guard who presses the Bat-Phone symbol is actually Marc McClure, who played Jimmy Olsen opposite Christopher Reeve in the original four Superman movies (not to mention the oft-forgotten Supergirl spinoff). As briefly glimpsed in the first trailer, McClure played a different role in Zack Snyder’s initial cut of Justice League, so it seems this scene – and therefore the Bat-Phone easter egg, as well – was the work of replacement director Joss Whedon.

Do we agree?

What does Marvel do that Warner Bros. doesn't? What does the MCU get right that the DCEU gets wrong?

1. Taking time to build a universe properly
   
2. Knowing how much to trust the directors
   
3. Playing to the audience
   
4. Utilizing a unified brand tone
   
5. Marvel dodges a massive pitfall of the DCEU
   
6. Staying faithful to the source material
   
7. Meaningfully connecting the movies’ events and characters
   
8. Keeping the TV universe in the fold
   
9. Not giving it all away in the promotional materials
   
10. Projecting confidence
    

http://www.looper.com/104232/mcu-gets-right-dceu-gets-wrong/sl/?utm_campaign=clip

@HCFan said:

Do we agree?

What does Marvel do that Warner Bros. doesn't? What does the MCU get right that the DCEU gets wrong?

1. Taking time to build a universe properly
   
2. Knowing how much to trust the directors
   
3. Playing to the audience
   
4. Utilizing a unified brand tone
   
5. Marvel dodges a massive pitfall of the DCEU
   
6. Staying faithful to the source material
   
7. Meaningfully connecting the movies’ events and characters
   
8. Keeping the TV universe in the fold
   
9. Not giving it all away in the promotional materials
   
10. Projecting confidence
    

http://www.looper.com/104232/mcu-gets-right-dceu-gets-wrong/sl/?utm_campaign=clip

I don’t care for the TV shows. So keep small and big screen separated.

@HCFan said:

Do we agree?

What does Marvel do that Warner Bros. doesn't? What does the MCU get right that the DCEU gets wrong?

1. Taking time to build a universe properly
   
2. Knowing how much to trust the directors
   
3. Playing to the audience
   
4. Utilizing a unified brand tone
   
5. Marvel dodges a massive pitfall of the DCEU
   
6. Staying faithful to the source material
   
7. Meaningfully connecting the movies’ events and characters
   
8. Keeping the TV universe in the fold
   
9. Not giving it all away in the promotional materials
   
10. Projecting confidence
    

http://www.looper.com/104232/mcu-gets-right-dceu-gets-wrong/sl/?utm_campaign=clip

Very good article.

Superman got a strong solo flick with Man of Steel, but after that WB started rushing their cash-cow properties. Superman's sequel turned into a weird Batman-meets-Superman-meets-Wonder Woman introduction that failed to do any of the three characters justice, Suicide Squad introduced a whole cast of one-note villains that seemed to have no relevance to WB's big Justice League plan, and then a spectacular Wonder Woman movie got plopped right in between SS and Justice League itself. In short, only Wonder Woman and Superman got the proper treatment, leaving other heroes like Batman, Cyborg, Flash, and Aquaman as underdeveloped characters in Justice League.

Marvel knows exactly how much to trust its directors. The company essentially creates a big-picture rule book that directors need to adhere to, but, from there, the creative minds can play within the MCU sandbox as they see fit.

WB, on the other hand, gave almost complete creative control to DCEU visionary Zack Snyder for two entire movies. After the first film received mostly negative reviews and the next one tanked on all fronts, WB would eventually yank away control from Snyder and, before he even had a chance to prove himself, do the same with newcomer David Ayer. This led to Snyder's Justice League and Ayer's Suicide Squad—two uneven, half-comedic fumbles that came about, at least in part, due to executive intervention.

So true.

@HCFan said:

Do we agree?

What does Marvel do that Warner Bros. doesn't? What does the MCU get right that the DCEU gets wrong?

1. Taking time to build a universe properly
   
2. Knowing how much to trust the directors
   
3. Playing to the audience
   
4. Utilizing a unified brand tone
   
5. Marvel dodges a massive pitfall of the DCEU
   
6. Staying faithful to the source material
   
7. Meaningfully connecting the movies’ events and characters
   
8. Keeping the TV universe in the fold
   
9. Not giving it all away in the promotional materials
   
10. Projecting confidence
    

http://www.looper.com/104232/mcu-gets-right-dceu-gets-wrong/sl/?utm_campaign=clip

I agree with most of it. However, I don't think everything that the MCEU produces is gold. I didn't like Ultron, Ragnarok, Iron Man 2 and Spider-Man Homecomming. These films shouldn't have more than 50% on RT, but they do. I think the critics are fan of Marvel.

WB pulled an advert for JL's Blu-ray release after fans criticised its cheesy retro vibe. Judge for yourself.

http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/justice-league/news/a852357/justice-league-blu-ray-trailer-retro-deleted-by-warner-bros/

@HCFan said:

1. Knowing how much to trust the directors
   

http://www.looper.com/104232/mcu-gets-right-dceu-gets-wrong/sl/?utm_campaign=clip

They trust the directors completely now.

The Marvel Creative Committee was a group of individuals who would give notes on Marvel Studios productions throughout the development process.

While in theory this committee seems like a great sounding board, in practice it served as a continual source of frustration for the filmmakers involved with Marvel Studios movies.

The Marvel Creative Committee also served as a roadblock of sorts during the development process, limiting the direct access filmmakers had to a yes or no answer from Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige, and indeed the dissolution of the Marvel Creative Committee in 2015 was a direct result of Feige’s major executive shakeups regarding the Marvel Studios structure.

In August of 2015, Feige successfully managed to reorganize the structure at Marvel Studios so that he was no longer reporting to Marvel CEO Ike Perlmutter,

Feige’s structure was reorganized so that Perlmutter no longer had control over Marvel Studios—i.e. the film side of Marvel. Instead, Feige would report directly to Disney studio chief Alan Horn. With this change, and with Marvel Studios now under greater control from Feige, the Marvel Creative Committee was dissolved.

And here we see a cause and effect.

It begins with Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2, a sequel to a massively popular film that’s essentially a hangout movie with no plot. Then we have Spider-Man: Homecoming, which saw Marvel Studios partnering up with Sony Pictures in a deal that gave Marvel exactly zero percentage of the box office. And then Thor: Ragnarok, which radically changes the character of Thor into more of a comedy lead with an entire film that takes very little of anything seriously. Obviously after that you have Black Panther, Marvel’s most explicitly political film to date and one with very strong thematic ties to the socio-political world we live in today. And finally Avengers: Infinity War, a major CG-filled blockbuster movie that concludes with ……………………………

All of these movies break the rules of what a superhero blockbuster is supposed to be.

And yet, Feige believed in the visions that Gunn, Jon Watts, Taika Waititi, Ryan Coogler, and Joe and Anthony Russo had for these Marvel > Studios movies, and he saw them through to the end.

So all of this to say, while Marvel certainly found success in its first 10 years, it really does feel like they’re hitting another gear right now. They’re not content to play it safe, and with the Creative Committee gone, they’re swinging for the fences and not looking back.

http://collider.com/why-the-end-of-the-marvel-creative-committee-has-led-to-bolder-mcu-movies/#kevin-feige

The Lego Movie 2 trailer mocks HC’s CGI stache.

The trailer shows an image of Batman (Will Arnett) wearing a moustache sticker, which seemingly mocks the headache that was Henry Cavill‘s facial hair in ‘Justice League’.

http://www.nme.com/news/film/lego-2-trailer-henry-cavill-moustache-mock-2333026-2333026

@Gone_Man said:

The Lego Movie 2 trailer mocks HC’s CGI stache.

The trailer shows an image of Batman (Will Arnett) wearing a moustache sticker, which seemingly mocks the headache that was Henry Cavill‘s facial hair in ‘Justice League’.

http://www.nme.com/news/film/lego-2-trailer-henry-cavill-moustache-mock-2333026-2333026

Every mustache joke is about HC’s CGI mustache. GG’S Charlie Chaplin joke was also about HC’s CGI stache. Read here. She just used that to promote Revlon. It had nothing to do with HC’s CGI stache.

ZS may make an appearance at SDCC and WB may let him release his cut if his production company pays to finish it.

Over on Vero (h/t ComicBook.com), one curious DC fan posted a message stating: “Here’s to hoping the boss man himself @ZackSnyder makes it to San Diego Comic-Con this year.” Pretty innocuous, by all accounts, but the director has since ‘liked’ that very post, leading many to speculate that Snyder plans to make an appearance at SDCC next month.

Last we reported, Warner Bros. was allegedly open to the idea of Zack Snyder releasing his unfinished cut on the condition that his production company, Cruel and Unusual Films, foots the bill, given there are likely scores of effects shots still to be completed. All in all, it would be a pretty costly venture for everyone involved, and the fact that Justice League struggled to make much of a dent at the domestic box office only exacerbates the situation.

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@AnnaB said:

ZS may make an appearance at SDCC and WB may let him release his cut if his production company pays to finish it.

Over on Vero (h/t ComicBook.com), one curious DC fan posted a message stating: “Here’s to hoping the boss man himself @ZackSnyder makes it to San Diego Comic-Con this year.” Pretty innocuous, by all accounts, but the director has since ‘liked’ that very post, leading many to speculate that Snyder plans to make an appearance at SDCC next month.

Last we reported, Warner Bros. was allegedly open to the idea of Zack Snyder releasing his unfinished cut on the condition that his production company, Cruel and Unusual Films, foots the bill, given there are likely scores of effects shots still to be completed. All in all, it would be a pretty costly venture for everyone involved, and the fact that Justice League struggled to make much of a dent at the domestic box office only exacerbates the situation.

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Cruel and Unusual Films? Even the name of his production company is dark.