@Gfe said:

Playing dense. Shallow is such a FORCE globally that Katy’s stats will look so pathetic compared to it. She should have released before ASIB to avoid total humiliation. Gaga wins again

So people shouldn't release music because others are releasing music and are successful at it. Huh? You make zero sense.

Inside the mind of a Little Mongrel

@Haus_Xo said:

Well it leaked. Just as I thought....trash!

https://atrl.net/forums/topic/236292-never-really-over-snippet/

Well on the bright side, it can’t be any more boring than Joanne

@KennBoy said:

Inside the mind of a Little Mongrel

Not really. It's Haus' opinion, not all LM. You generalizing ain't cute.

@Haus_Xo said:

Well it leaked. Just as I thought....trash!

https://atrl.net/forums/topic/236292-never-really-over-snippet/

Much better than Subpar Delusion and Million Attempts that’s for sure.

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

Monsters are setting themselves up AGAIN for the next time Gaga bombs. She has one WW hit because of ASIB after 6 years of bombing and suddenly you morons act like it's 2009 again. Enjoy the next time Gaga bombs when ALL THE FANBASES go in on Gaga and the Little Morons because y'all have just begged for the draggings to be ruthless.

Setting themselves up? Uhm okay but isn't every fanbase always setting themselves up then? I remember Katy stans laughing at Gaga's downfall and they got what was coming.

Gaga's last WW hit is bigger than ANY Katy single EVER RELEASED internationally in many important markets and it being from a movie doesn't automatically translate to being a huge smash like Shallow. At least Gaga's song was different than anything else on the radio and she didn't run to Max Martin for a sure-fire hit like Katy always does. If anything, it's thanks to MM that Katy even has any hits. Let her star in a movie and release a song like Shallow and she would BOMB, while Gaga making a song with Max Martin would probably have been as big as Katy's. In other words, there are much bigger chances of Gaga smashing with Max Martin than Katy smashing with a movie soundtrack.

Gaga's actually had huge impact in the music world whereas Katy hasn't.

@Haus_Xo said:

Not people in here thinking this will smash

She’s setting herself for massive failure following this up after Shallow. It’s going to so humiliating for Katy Kunts when it never reaches the highs of Shallow. So SAD!

Bitch you haven’t even heard the song? Sad nobody ever said i want to reach the highs of Million reasons.

I think Katy is beyond basic and I’ve never really cared for her music, but her latest efforts have been decent and I’ve heard the new single is being compared to Carly’s sound, so I’m definitely looking forward to a potential bop.

@Haus_Xo said:

Not people in here thinking this will smash

She’s setting herself for massive failure following this up after Shallow. It’s going to so humiliating for Katy Kunts when it never reaches the highs of Shallow. So SAD!

Okay Trump

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

I mean yes stans fight....nothing new but Little Monsters are pretty much the worst of the worst.

Actually, MadonnaNation members are considered the worst of the worst

Or Little Monsters ALREADY had it coming when Artflop happened because they had already been viciously going after pretty much any and every relevant artist in pop music when Gaga was on top.

They were vicious because the other fan bases were pressed as f_ck. I mean, just look at this board. Whenever Gaga experiences success it's total shade all the way until LM come after their faves and then it's "wah wah wah, LM are so mean wah wah wah".

LMAO when did Gaga start working with Mark Ronson again? Oh that's right....it was right after he came out with that obscure no1curr song Uptown Funk!

Gaga made the industry follow her from 2009-11. Her work with Mark Ronson sounds nothing like Uptown Funk, so that argument is DOA.

Because Max Martin is a sure bet? He has plenty of flops....part of the reason he has soooo many hits is because he is such a prolific producer with a TON of output.

90 percent of pop stars' big screen debuts are a FLOP. 90 percent of Max Martin's work with major label artists are hits. There's a much bigger chance of MM scoring a hit with a main pop girl than a main pop girl scoring a hit movie.

I don't know if you're acting stupid but it is a FACT that Gaga shaped the pop music landscape when she came out with her weird outfits, her dance pop sound and her fandom name. All of that became a trend afterwards. I can drag you with the receipts if you want. Katy has only followed trends, never made them. What sort of f_cking impact has Katy had?

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

NONE of that is true though! You won't convince anyone here otherwise either.

Gargoyle isn't the first artist to dress weird (She appropriated doing that from Lina Morgana anyway after she had her killed)

Gargoyle didn't invent dance/pop or EDM.

and Gargoyle is FAR FROM the first artist to have a fandom name.

You're a f_cking moron. Nowhere did I say she invented it. I said she made a trend. Going by your logic, Madonna didn't invent anything either. MJ didn't invent the Moonwalk and Elvis didn't invent rock'n'roll. Madonna didn't invent the Vogue or speaking her mind. How about you tell me what any of them invented? I'll wait. They set trends. That's impact. Gaga made dance pop popular on US radio and although she didn't invent weird outfits, EVERYONE started wearing it after she hit the scene:

http://piximus.net/media/4976/before-and-after-gaga-1.jpg

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/9/30/17/enhanced-buzz-32427-1317417706-0.jpg

I mean, those are just FACTS. It wasn't popular to be "weird" in pop music until after Gaga broke through. Everyone knows that.

Add to that, it was FAR from every pop artist that had fandom names. They existed, yes, but it wasn't until Lady Gaga named her fan base that 100 percent of all pop acts did the same. Here's a link to DRAG THE F_CKING SH!T out of your unintelligent OLD brain: https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/pakq59/lady-gaga-online-fandom-culture-little-monsters

"Little Monsters", which she began calling out to the crowd during her live shows. Giving a whole fandom a nickname of sorts was already commonplace in K-pop, but Gaga was the first to do it on such a grand scale in a western context

This formation quickly created a new blueprint: Bieber fans dubbed themselves, "Beliebers", Taylor got her "Swifties" and the "Rihanna Navy" formed. But Gaga was the first. Professor Mathieu Deflem – who wrote the book Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame and dedicated an entire university course syllabus to her influence – agrees that Gaga's effect on fandom culture in this way is notable: "I would say that Gaga has at least facilitated this process for other pop stars and celebrities," he says. "Other stars now constantly name their fanbases – so much so that the effect is kind of wearing off. That also means that there is only one Lady Gaga, and that the impact of imitating her or adopting her various strategies are limited."

You just PROVED once and for all how utterly STUPID you are. Anyways, I'll wait for you to tell me what Madonna, Britney, Janet or Elvis invented. You're such a f_cking moron

@mrjacs said: http://piximus.net/media/4976/before-and-after-gaga-1.jpg

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/terminal01/2011/9/30/17/enhanced-buzz-32427-1317417706-0.jpg

I mean, those are just FACTS. It wasn't popular to be "weird" in pop music until after Gaga broke through. Everyone knows that.

Rihanna was already "weird" in pop music with Disturbia which was before Gaga was even a thing: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/df/ca/eb/dfcaebf9effce62499306b8e5de82bdf.jpg

Not to mention the Rated R era was in production during GGGB in 2008 before Gaga ever blew up. If anyone was biting off Gaga's weird looks and themes it was Nicki Minaj. Rihanna and Gaga have never shared any similarities in looks or music.

Funny you reach with Rih but forget an actual culprit:

https://dazedimg-dazedgroup.netdna-ssl.com/1928/azure/dazed-prod/1130/1/1131463.jpg

https://www.yournextshoes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Beyonce-Run-The-World-Girls-video-4.jpg

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

@mrjacs said:

You just PROVED once and for all how utterly STUPID you are. Anyways, I'll wait for you to tell me what Madonna, Britney, Janet or Elvis invented. You're such a f_cking moron

But I didn't claim Madonna invented anything or Elvis, or Janet or Britney. So you once again PROVED HOW STUPID YOU ARE!

but Gaga was the first to do it on such a grand scale in a western context

NOT EVEN CLOSE CLOSE TO THE FIRST

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fandom_nicknames

SEETHE! Gargoyle didn't even dress remotely weird until she murdered Lina Morgana too. Those are the facts.

Little Monsters was a known name but media wise I remember Justin Bieber's fanbase blowing up to a way bigger scale back in 2009. When you thought of fandoms it was synonymous with "Beliebers" up until One Direction came along.

@LadyFlopgaCocaineQueen said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fandom_nicknames

What part of on such a grand scale don't you understand, you prick? Sure, fandom names existed long before Gaga but only 5 percent of artists had them. The minute Gaga launched the Little Monsters literally EVERYONE started having fandom names. No one ever claimed she invented anything. But she sure as hell made it a f_cking trend. I mean, the fact that I'm even explaining this to you and then you twisting my words

Bwahahaha! Jessica Dweeber was never a phenom.

Everyone said he smelled like musty boy fart.

@PlasticPrada said:

Little Monsters was a known name but media wise I remember Justin Bieber's fanbase blowing up to a way bigger scale back in 2009. When you thought of fandoms it was synonymous with "Beliebers" up until One Direction came along.

I don't know. The Little Monsters and the "paws up" thing was pretty popular. Point is, labels and managements saw Gaga's fandom name and how it connected to her audiences and made their artists have one too.