As visible on the official Netflix page,

• the episodes from Part 1 are titled "Chapitre 1" to "Chapitre 5" and the ones from Part 2 are titled "Chapitre 6" to "Chapitre 10" in continuity.
• the episodes from Part 3 restart from 1 and are titled "Chapitre 1" to "Chapitre 7".

@superboy97 said:

As visible on the official Netflix page,

• the episodes from Part 1 are titled "Chapitre 1" to "Chapitre 5" and the ones from Part 2 are titled "Chapitre 6" to "Chapitre 10" in continuity.
• the episodes from Part 3 restart from 1 and are titled "Chapitre 1" to "Chapitre 7".

I'm sorry, but what do episode names have to do with episode numbers? Yeah, this is chapter #6 of the story arc, so what? We're not arguing the correctness of the episode names. Season 2 of The Mandalorian starts with "Chapter 9", yet somehow you didn't consider it a continuation of the first season. Another prominent example of arbitrarily merged seasons, Chilling Adventures of Sabrina, also has sequential chapter numbers in episode titles from the beginning through the end, yet you didn't merge them all under one season. Or Disenchantment

If Netflix ordered 10 episodes of a show and released the first 5 episodes as "Part 1" and the other 5 as "Part 2," without any season identifiers, it stands to reason that those two parts make up the season. Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons.

The Netflix API saying the dropdown menu has the season names as "Part 1," Part 2," and "Part 3" doesn't matter for this show because that's the simply the system they use. The API is probably going to call everything they list in the dropdown menu of TV shows a season, even when some are clearly not (like the Unsolved Mysteries (2020) Volumes) because Netflix didn't make a new system to display a few shows with Parts and/or Volumes. They simply continued using their existing system and adapted it to Parts and Volumes. This is very likely why the term "Seasons" only appears when viewing a show's page while logged out.

@raze464 said:

If Netflix ordered 10 episodes of a show and released the first 5 episodes as "Part 1" and the other 5 as "Part 2," without any season identifiers, it stands to reason that those two parts make up the season. Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons.

There's an unambiguous identifier. Part 2 begins with episode no. 1. You can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. And if the network released something as episode 1 you can't just arbitrarily assign it number 6, just because you can. When Netflix wants something to be a continuation, they do it like with season 3 of The Witcher, or season 4 of the Manifest for example. They show the first part of the season and then continue the same season with the second part, using the next episode number.

The Netflix API saying the dropdown menu has the season names as "Part 1," Part 2," and "Part 3" doesn't matter for this show because that's the simply the system they use. The API is probably going to call everything they list in the dropdown menu of TV shows a season, even when some are clearly not (like the Unsolved Mysteries (2020) Volumes) because Netflix didn't make a new system to display a few shows with Parts and/or Volumes. They simply continued using their existing system and adapted it to Parts and Volumes. This is very likely why the term "Seasons" only appears when viewing a show's page while logged out.

It may not matter to you, but it's a Netflix show, and in the Netflix system each part is a season. I'd say it doesn't matter if that's a limitation of their system or an intentional design. Unless you're the CTO of Netflix, your guess is as good as mine. What matters, is how the official broadcaster of the show released it. Parts, seasons, volumes - that's just technicalities. Name it whatever you want, if it starts with episode no. 1 - it's a new season. You can easily do the same, using "Part 1, 2..." as a season title, and then you're listing would be an exact copy of the official one, with each episode having the same episode number within the corresponding part. But for some reason, you prefer to make it complicated.

Just humor me with an answer: if Part 1 is the first part of season 1 and Part 2 is the second part of season 1, then Part 3 is a third part of what?

@shotfirer said:

There's an unambiguous identifier. Part 2 begins with episode no. 1. You can't have episode 1 in the middle of a season. And if the network released something as episode 1 you can't just arbitrarily assign it number 6, just because you can. When Netflix wants something to be a continuation, they do it like with season 3 of The Witcher, or season 4 of the Manifest for example. They show the first part of the season and then continue the same season with the second part, using the next episode number.

Those two examples you mentioned are actually promoted as Season 3, Volume # (The Witcher) and Season 4, Part # (Manifest). Lupin doesn't have the term "Season" mentioned anywhere in conjunction with the term "Part" so where does one season end and the other begin because Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons.

It may not matter to you, but it's a Netflix show, and in the Netflix system each part is a season. I'd say it doesn't matter if that's a limitation of their system or an intentional design. Unless you're the CTO of Netflix, your guess is as good as mine. What matters, is how the official broadcaster of the show released it. Parts, seasons, volumes - that's just technicalities. Name it whatever you want, if it starts with episode no. 1 - it's a new season. You can easily do the same, using "Part 1, 2..." as a season title, and then you're listing would be an exact copy of the official one, with each episode having the same episode number within the corresponding part. But for some reason, you prefer to make it complicated.

Well, no because, again, Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons. If you want more evidence of this, just look at the Kengan Ashura anime. This anime has a Part I, a Part II that starts with episode 1, and a Season 2 that also starts with episode 1. Do you consider Part I to be the first season, Part II to be the second season, and Season 2 to be the third season?

Just humor me with an answer: if Part 1 is the first part of season 1 and Part 2 is the second part of season 1, then Part 3 is a third part of what?

It's the first part of the second season. It's pretty established by now that on Netflix two parts make one season.

@raze464 said:

@shotfirer said:

Those two examples you mentioned are actually promoted as Season 3, Volume # (The Witcher) and Season 4, Part # (Manifest). Lupin doesn't have the term "Season" mentioned anywhere in conjunction with the term "Part" so where does one season end and the other begin because Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons.

Part 2 of Lupin was never promoted by Netflix as "Part 2 of Season 1", so it shouldn't be added to Season 1. It's Part 2 of the show, preceded by Part 1 of the show, superseded by Part 3 of the show. But since your system doesn't have the ability to use "Parts" instead of "Seasons" (what's the difference anyway, except for the name?), treating each part as a season with the name "Part #" would be the easiest solution. Again, the fact that you ignored, your episode numbers does not coincide with the official episode numbers on the official broadcaster's website, for the only reason to follow the ambiguous information from non-official third-party resources. This directly contradicts both common sense and your own contribution bible, saying "Please only use official sources (press websites, press releases, the official network's website, official TV guides)." Is there any official source declaring that parts 1 and 2 should belong to the same season, and part 3 should be season 2?

Well, no because, again, Parts and Volumes are not necessarily seasons. If you want more evidence of this, just look at the Kengan Ashura anime. This anime has a Part I, a Part II that starts with episode 1, and a Season 2 that also starts with episode 1. Do you consider Part I to be the first season, Part II to be the second season, and Season 2 to be the third season?

You're grasping at straws. Anime is a separate world with its own (often weird) rules which are mostly inapplicable to non-anime content. Even your bible separates anime from the rest of TV content in almost every chapter. So no, this is a bad example. In any case, this is not applicable here, because we have 3 entities of the same type (parts, volumes, whatever), with sequential numbers 1, 2, 3, and each starting with episode 1. I can't imagine it being any simpler.

It's the first part of the second season. It's pretty established by now that on Netflix two parts make one season.

Established by who, you? So far I don't see any reference to the official information from Netflix, supporting that claim. On Netflix each part stands on its own, beginning with episode 1.

I see only one explanation for this - for some reason you want it to be listed this way, despite the lack of support from any official source. Not sure if it's enough reason though.

its just idiocy at this point

The guardian https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/oct/05/netflix-lupin-season-three-review-omar-sy-born-action-star-next-bond

Wall street journal https://www.wsj.com/arts-culture/television/lupin-season-3-review-literary-lifting-f8c2569d

screenrant https://screenrant.com/lupin-season-3-ending-explained/

Cosmopolitan https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/entertainment/a45504940/lupin-season-3-ending-explained/

Radio Times https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/drama/lupin-season-3-ending-explained-exclusive-newsupdate/

Yahoo https://uk.news.yahoo.com/lupin-season-3-release-date-124216106.html

NME https://www.nme.com/news/tv/what-time-lupin-season-3-netflix-3509227

Digital Spy https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a45453972/lupin-season-3-ending-explained/

Huffpost https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/season-3-lupin-netflix-cast-omar-sy_uk_65202281e4b0102e6961a328

Hello https://www.hellomagazine.com/film/504274/lupin-part-3-fans-make-same-plea-after-long-awaited-return-of-netflix-show/

The Mail https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-12598089/The-installment-French-thriller-series-Lupin-finally-arrived-Netflix.html

deadline https://deadline.com/2023/09/netflix-lupin-season-3-trailer-1235537980/

AOL https://www.aol.co.uk/news/lupin-boss-shares-whats-different-120200309.html

Variety https://variety.com/2023/tv/global/netflix-lupin-season-3-series-mania-festival-1235561288/

Metro https://metro.co.uk/2023/06/28/lupin-season-3-assane-diop-facing-intense-danger-creator-confirms-19030259/

Its just nonsense at this point that TMDB are digging their heels in and wont admit their original decision flies in the face of what netflix are saying, what every other movie site such as imdb are saying, and what the entire western media are saying.

@shotfirer said:

You're grasping at straws. Anime is a separate world with its own (often weird) rules which are mostly inapplicable to non-anime content. Even your bible separates anime from the rest of TV content in almost every chapter. So no, this is a bad example. In any case, this is not applicable here, because we have 3 entities of the same type (parts, volumes, whatever), with sequential numbers 1, 2, 3, and each starting with episode 1. I can't imagine it being any simpler.

We do have anime-specific guidelines but what do they have to do with how Netflix released Kengan Ashura? You keep saying that Netflix considers Parts to be seasons and I showed you a TV show on Netflix that doesn't support your claim and you're saying it doesn't count because "anime is different?" Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Independent of Kengan Ashura being an anime, it's still listed on Netflix with three groups of episodes called Part I, Part II, and Season 2 and serves as proof that Netflix Parts are not seasons.

I don't know why you're skeptical of literally anything and everything on TMDB, even when presented with evidence that you are incorrect, so maybe this database might not be the place for you.

This will be my last reply in this report.

@raze464 said:

We do have anime-specific guidelines but what do they have to do with how Netflix released Kengan Ashura? You keep saying that Netflix considers Parts to be seasons and I showed you a TV show on Netflix that doesn't support your claim and you're saying it doesn't count because "anime is different?" Your reasoning doesn't make any sense. Independent of Kengan Ashura being an anime, it's still listed on Netflix with three groups of episodes called Part I, Part II, and Season 2 and serves as proof that Netflix Parts are not seasons.

You're twisting my words, and using smoke and mirrors to veer off the subject. Your example only proves that parts are not seasons for the "Kengan Ashura". And you're omitting the fact, that in case of "Kengan Ashura" Netflix explicitly states that Season 2 is a season 2, not 3 https://media.netflix.com/en/only-on-netflix/80992228

Do you have any statement like that for the Lupin? Official statement from Netflix, saying that Part 3 is a Season 2?

I'm not talking about Netflix in general, and how they release stuff. I'm talking about a particular show named "Lupin". Which is not anime, and not relevant to any anime released by Netflix, or any other show released by Netflix. Which was not released in randomly named groups of episodes, but in 3 consecutively numbered parts that by all means can be treated as seasons. I'll let people who watch "Kengan Ashura" care about how it is represented in your system if they have any issues with that. Me and countless other users in about 30 other threads are questioning the correctness of your representation of this particular show, named "Lupin". Yet you just keep telling all of us from your high horse that we are idiots, and only you know, what is right. Without a single official proof to back up your claim.

I don't know why you're skeptical of literally anything and everything on TMDB, even when presented with evidence that you are incorrect, so maybe this database might not be the place for you.

I have nothing against TMDB or its rules. I'm skeptical of decisions that don't have anything factual behind them, which are going against the official information, common sense, and needs of end users. Decisions that are going against your own rules, like you're just above them. You didn't present any real evidence, just 3 articles in third-party outlets, irrelevant example of anime series, and your own interpretation of the Netflix data. You were also presented with evidence of being wrong in that particular case, yet you just keep saying that you're right, despite anything. If you're so all-knowing, why do you need anyone's help? Just close the site for the outsiders and do all the work by yourself. Unfortunately, a few sites and services that I use decided to use your database as a data source, otherwise, I wouldn't be here. I'm sure, that can be said about most of the contributors here.

This will be my last reply in this report.

I'm not surprised. You can't find any official proof to back your decision, so instead of just being a man and acknowledging a mistake you choose a coward's way out. Well, maybe that's for the better, maybe someone reasonable will decide to continue the thread, or involve someone, who can make an administrative decision and have the power to overrule your whims.

@superboy97 said:

@owlhuang said:

The first article in this thread clearly said this show uses "part" instead of "season". And part 2 should belong to season 1. Now part 3 suddenly becomes its own season 2. Life is indeed messy and I guess we just ask for a little consistence here.

This article clearly indicate that the first season was split in 2 parts. Consequently, the 3rd part is the start of a new season.

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@owlhuang said:

Sorry I don't mean to keep debating on this. But why TMDb prefers "www.denofgeek.com" over most other sites, which say season 3? Logically, it's either season 1 with part 1, part 2, and part 3, or season 1 to 3. It is VERY strange to pick random site as the guideline while most of the other sites say otherwise. It looks to me that we are looking really hard, only to support "so I guess it means it's Part 2 of Season 1." in the first post.

as Denofgeek seems to be the source that people are winning to pin their flags to in defence of the current season structure, its important to note that according to den of geek...

https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/lupin-part-3-ending-explained/

And I quote.. "Here’s everything that happened in Lupin season 3, and how it might set up a potential season 4."

Just to add an official note to that. An announcement for the second part from the authors of the show, Gaumont, in the official English translation (not Google Translate):

Once again, the second season will feature five episodes available to watch very soon.

You’ve been waiting months and it’s finally here to thrill, surprise, amuse and captivate you: season two has finally arrived on Netflix!

As official as it gets. This alone weighs more than the opinions of Deadline, EW, and Rolling Stone added together, so please stop reinventing the wheel and split parts 1 and 2 into separate seasons.

but that's only the creators of the show, they aren't an official enough source

/s

if mods can't accept the truth or just prefer to ignore it, can we have an admin ruling?

Why is it closed if it isn't solved? There's zero official information supporting the OP's claim and a ton of proof of the opposite. Can we have other mods or admin take a look at that?

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Sorry my bad, season 3 already out but counted as season 2 here