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TNG Writer Points Out Flaws With Kurtzman's "Cinematic" Trek
posted by VobIdemSTAFFMOD on February 21, 2021 at 8:43 PM
Pleasant surprise earlier.
TNG and DS9 writer Ronald D Moore had a few things to say on writing Star Trek for television Vs writing Star Trek for the big screen.
The article part of which is quoted underneath
"To me, Trek is a morality play. It’s a show about ethical dilemmas. It’s a science fiction show about ‘What if?’ And it’s a character piece. The best parts of Trek don’t necessarily lend themselves towards the big screen. For instance, you couldn’t do ‘Data’s Day’ as a movie, right? It was one of my favorite episodes. ‘The Conscience of the King’ from The Original Series is one of my favorite episodes. That’s not a movie. So, the movie version always has to be hyped up and overdamped and they’re big giant roller coasters. And I don’t know that the roller coaster aspect is what attracts me to Star Trek the most."
These observations are very relevant to Alex Kurtzman's dystopian garbage, as he and the other hacks have approached writing STD and STP like movies instead of a TV show.
Both STD and STP put most of the focus on Burnham and Soji at the expense of all other characters, like the majority of Discovery's bridge crew for example. Three seasons in and they're still less defined than Ensign Ro Laren, who only appeared a handful of times on TNG.
Kurtzman's "movies" not only don't do character pieces so all actors get a chance to shine, they also lack the ethical dilemmas Ronald D Moore mentioned, instead opting for simplistic takes on villains. Like an AI that hates organic life because it's evil, or a green, plastic lady who's an evil gang leader, or an evil, super secret, Romulan cabal who're manipulating everyone to be in control.
Kurtzman's "movies" are indeed more like lens flare rollercoasters, except all depressive and grim.
I'm glad one of the foremost TNG and DS9 writers spoke his mind on this subject matter of what is Star Trek and what it is not
Reply by Knixon
on February 23, 2021 at 9:51 PM
Roddenberry could WRITE - that is, MAKE UP - anything he likes about what HE thinks MIGHT happen if humans became like the Talons which he also MADE UP, etc.
None of it DEMONSTRATES ANYTHING.
Reply by Nexus71
on February 24, 2021 at 5:48 AM
Wrong topic Invidia we were talking about the poorly written secondary characters that they don't make any lasting impressions .And you are talking about the late and great Michael Piller.And using ideas wouldn't be so bad Invidia but STD and STP do direct ONE ON ONE copies of scenes from other IP'S as you would have noticed if you had watched the Major Grinn clips THAT INVIDIA IS NOT BEING INSPIRED BY BUT THEFT!!!(It's actually surprising that no other studios have sued Kurtzman &co yet)And now enough of the topic because in stead of using your own damn eyes to see for yourself you rather trust pro-new Trek propaganda and Cliff note summaries.
Reply by Nexus71
on February 24, 2021 at 6:10 AM
Well Moore isn't very positive about new Trek in the interview
Reply by Nexus71
on February 24, 2021 at 7:27 AM
WHY DO YOU TO BRING IN SUBJECTS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DISCUSSION AND YOU ARE NOT TELLING US ANY NEW THINGS WE KNOW OF RODDENBERRY AND THAT HE WAS NOT ALWAYS THE NICEST OF PERSONS BUT THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT RON D MOORE AS FORMER STAR TREK WRITER DOESN'T LIKE NEW TREK PERIOD THAT IS WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.
Reply by Nexus71
on February 24, 2021 at 7:43 AM
Uh you are bringing in all kinds of stuff we weren't discussing here
Reply by Nexus71
on February 24, 2021 at 7:53 AM
We were talking about characters or better lack of in the show
Reply by mcse2000ca
on February 24, 2021 at 4:55 PM
you have to forgive her she forgets what she has copy and pasted ie plagiarized from other people
Reply by Knixon
on February 27, 2021 at 3:06 PM
Hmmm.
Did Invidia get deleted?
Reply by VobIdem
on February 27, 2021 at 3:14 PM
This user has been suspended is what the profile page reads
Reply by Knixon
on February 27, 2021 at 3:34 PM
We may have only seen a small portion of those "issues" here.
Reply by Knixon
on February 28, 2021 at 12:20 AM
Yeah maybe. But I wonder if maybe "suspended" is the only type of message they have, which actually means "terminate" when all of someone's posts disappear too. You'd think that just "suspended" wouldn't go that far.
Kinda wonder what she could have maybe done on some other board to result in that. She was damn annoying here, but that didn't seem suspend-able.
Reply by VobIdem
on February 28, 2021 at 5:38 AM
Invidia's replies seemed to range anywhere from quasi-insightful to downright diatribes with little to no relevance to the subject matter, but that was not what lead to this drastic outcome.
The suspension, which seems to have come out of nowhere, was actually the result of Invidia already having received a warning by TMDB moderators about not following TMDB's community guidelines, but despite this prior warning just kept on ignoring these guidelines.
Reply by VobIdem
on February 28, 2021 at 2:48 PM
Yes, in a direct reply to me by one of the moderators.
Reply by Nexus71
on February 28, 2021 at 3:29 PM
Didn't know so many complained about her ,but her last posts where she used 2 inch large letters were a bit over the top
Reply by Knixon
on February 28, 2021 at 3:35 PM
The question is, how long until she shows up again using some other name?