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Despite the Angry Young Men of YouTube having had "proof" for years that Kurtzman/Bad Robot are out and modern Trek will be swiftly ended, it looks as if a loose seven year plan for Trek on TV has been formulated.

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/star-trek-shows-planned-through-2027

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They are not anti-Trek they want good Trek .

Hey you replied to my post so you are acting like a pest here Invidia stop projecting .Star Trek is a disaster whether you want to believe it or not the fact that the merchandise isn't selling is the clearest sign on the wall.The shows may have viewers but those are not the viewers that pay for anything and certainly are not the ones buying the merchandise which always was the most profitable part of Star Trek . Fact remains that the writers of new Trek are a bunch of Pakleds who can't create anything new and steal and copy shit from everywhere and not in a good manner.And for the majority of Trek fans Star Trek effectively is dead CBS/Secret Hideout can print all the BS propaganda they want and that you keep swallowing their lies because you obviously are sensitive to the name calling and insults of a bunch of hacks and that they even admitted openly that it was never about the stories but Star Trek was a platform for their social justice agenda. And No I don't write nonsense just because it contradicts what CBS/Secret Hideout and their minions say doesn't mean it is nonsense the only ones spouting nonsense are the ones producing or those speaking on behalf of new Trek .And it's not those that don't like Trek who are causing the division among fans it is the studio and Kurtzman and Co they infused their partisan politics in Trek and let me give you some advice THE REST OF THE WORLD AND MOST US VIEWERS DON"T GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THEIR POLITICS AND HATE BEING LECTURED BY A BUNCH OF BRAINWASHED IDIOTS and have had enough of it .If you want to know why Trump won in 2016 you will find the answer in the fact that people have had enough of the BS of the media ,the regular politicians and the entertainment industry with their fascist racial and gender politics and since 2016 it only has gone worse and things have become more radical on the side of these SJW's and I predict because of that Trump will get re-elected certainly after the BLM /antifa shit and the access media blatantly lying about it and their continued smearing of Trump while the Democrats and Biden can get away with the most horrible things.That you are so naive and unwilling to investigate the larger picture here is a sign that you rather not find out the truth of what is going on or may not like what you find out .

And since large studios like Disney and At&T/Warner on the verge of bankruptcy also shows that the situation for Viacom/CBS is in a similar or worse situation that even if Kurtzman gets to make his series chances are that the studio would have gone bankrupt before that certainly if your movies and series aren't bringing in the money. despite what the CBS/Secret Hideout claims they all are desperate for Biden to win so the Democrats can bail them out with billions of dollars of your tax payers money while the people who need the money the most (small businesses and families) will end up with nothing. The whole problem with the entertainment industry that it is now filled with a biased political agenda that it has become more important to make a political statement than writing good stories and that people or no longer hired for their quality or experience but for a race ,gender or political affiliation quota.But hey keep on being oblivious but don't bother me when I post things

As for visiting other boards just because I like a movie doesn't mean I should post on these board I am a Star Trek fan so my main interest lies there.Hey 2001 ASO is my all time favourite movie but I hardly post there same thing for Blade Runner or The Thing or various other movies .I recently encountered Phillipe on the Mortal Engines board where I actually addressed the fact that that movie was able to show diversity without it being obnoxious so Phillipe is not telling the entire truth either.

tatata

Explaining economics to you is trying to explain math to a monkey.Of course popularity matters and is linked with merchandise example 1 even though ENT was off the air for years Star Trek merchandise alone accounted for 1-2 billion of income for CBS each year.Example 2 prior to the release of the prequel trilogy of Star Wars the merchandise alone was good for billions of income for Lucas Film annually .After the release of The Last Jedi a film reviled by most Star Wars fans the sales of merchandise dropped dramatically to the point that after the release of The Rise Of Skywalker hardly anybody is buying Star Wars merchandise(apart from Baby Yoda Dolls from The Mandalorian)and no merchandise from the new films is released and most other Star Wars merchandise is sold in discount .So yes popularity matters when it comes to selling merchandise and when that isn't selling it's a sign on the wall that a franchise is in decline.

Copying things is okΓ© unless you make it integral part of the story new Trek steals stuff and puts it in the shows just because the familiarity of the things they steal it is used by people who don't know how to write new and creative stories for themselves. Another point is the amount of stealing it's not some idea or concept that is used and on which the new material continues it's own narrative .New Trek just steals because of a lack of creativity and I don't know it but the marker so far stands at 150 cases of blatant stealing whole segments from other movies,games and series. For only like 30 episodes that is 5 things for each episode .Season 3 also has it's cases of theft from movies and shows like Prometheus and Firefly (come on calling your character Book like in Sheppard Book from Firefly you at least must have noticed that).

And Mikey Spock claiming that she saved all and saved the universe? What???? Is she joking? the only thing she did was protect the universe against Mikey Spock .First she gets almost her entire crew killed,she starts a war with the Klingons that kills billions of people .She is responsible for the Red Angel and bringing Control from the future that threatens to kill all organic life .How can we as viewer root for a person like that ad to that a cringeworthy undeserved arrogance and sense of entitlement and an emotional instability of a schizophrenic.And still everybody in the show worships Mikey Spock as if she is the alpha and omega of the universe come on .... in the real world people would despise somebody like Mikey Spock they would hold her accountable for her actions and would have thrown her in jail not promote her.

I know enough to know of US politics to know that Biden is a crook a racist a bigot and a children sniffing senile old fart with a radical communist as running mate who will probably take over from Sloppy Joe as soon as he is elected in office. And Harris already said that she was going to have everybody who supported Trump appear for a South African style Truth commission or if we stick to US history have every Trump supporter appear for a HUAC like commission.I know enough of US politics to know that the mainstream news channels lie through their teeth when it comes to things that contradict their narrative and that they serve as the PR department for the Democratic party.It's the Democrats who have cause the divisiveness in the US and they still are butt hurt because Trump won in 2016 and have been actively trying to undermine him and get him impeached even before the elections in 2016 began with Biden,Clinton and Obama creating the lie of the Russian interference. I know enough of US politics that since 2016 the connections between the Democrats ,the various Film studios and access media increased that they effectively became the promotion team for the Democrats and creating this narrative that Trump is the devil and Republicans are monsters.They only hate Trump because they can't control him and because he doesn't play by the corrupt rules of the establishment (which is what got him elected in the first place ).And because of this the media and entertainment has become infested with extreme SJW,BLM,Antifa politics to lecture and manipulate the audience to do what they tell us what to do and if you dare to contradict this narrative you get labelled an istaphobe or cancelled by gullible and mindless minions who will gladly do their work for them.Trump ain't no saint but looking at the candidate on the other side he has done far more questionable things than Trump but you won't hear that from the media because that would undermine his chances on the Presidency.So maybe you should ask yourself who are Biden and Harris and look more carefully into the shit they have done. Honestly ask yourself this question would the media not report if somebody found Don Jr's laptop with all kinds of damaging material that could compromise Trump's chances for the presidency? My guess it would be all over CNN.NBC,CBS,ABC etc 24/7 so why then are the media not reporting on Hunter Biden's Laptop and why are social media platforms like Twitter and Facebook actively blocking the New York Post article on this matter or why are Youtube channels being harassed when they report negatively on SJW/Politics infested films or series or that Youtube blocks these Youtubers and manipulating the studio clips when it looks like it is getting a largely negative reaction??? Not to mention the people being canceled just for having a different opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67DllsQHnGI&ab_channel=AlardGovers

For Nex, and others capable of understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Am5zsJlhPk

@Knixon said:

For Nex, and others capable of understanding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Am5zsJlhPk

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@Invidia said:

Thought you'd like to know that one had to purchase a $50 part for the BRAND NEW LENOVO that was purchased about 6 MONTHS ago, because the place where you PLUG in the ETHERNET CABLE CORD isn't working anymore.

$50? If you needed a USB to ethernet adapter, sounds like you were ripped off.

The above prices could probably be bettered if you have time to look.

It's also possible to replace the ends of ethernet cables. It's a quick job, but does require a tool as well as a replacement end. Amazingly seems cheaper here in the UK where I could get a cheap toolkit that includes the tool, a few ends and a bunch of other tools for <Β£10 (a lot less than I paid for the tools separately years ago crying_cat_face ). That said ethernet cables are pretty cheap so, unless you're into doing your own repairs, it's easier just to replace. I rarely use my tools and I do IT in schools for a living; only once in a while does it make more sense to fit a new end than replace the cable.

You can get cables with extra plastic to protect the "clip". This sort of design is normally good for laptops that have the cable plugged/unplugged regularly: https://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters-Snagless-Ethernet-Black/dp/B00G9BN9KW

BTW, unless there is physical damage to the port on the laptop, it's rare for it to stop working. More likely that it's been disabled somehow or the drivers are corrupt.

Back on topic...

@Invidia said:

The only interviews I've read is the ones by one of the writers and by the TNG/ PICARD actor who played the part of RIKER who also didn't ATTACK anyone, but explained how when TNG first aired the same things were said ABOUT THAT NEW TREK SHOW that are being said NOW about the NEWEST NEW TREK SHOWS.

And he or the other CALYPSO WRITER also said you could find PROOF of that if you checked out the OLD NEWS GROUPS (which were still available online) from back in the 90's where you'll find the SAME kind of SILLY HATE FILLED messages that were posted then as are being posted NOW in this TIME FRAME.

This has given me the idea for a new topic. Must get around to it soon!

@Nexus71 said:

THE REST OF THE WORLD AND MOST US VIEWERS DON"T GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT THEIR POLITICS AND HATE BEING LECTURED BY A BUNCH OF BRAINWASHED IDIOTS and have had enough of it .If you want to know why Trump won in 2016 you will find the answer in the fact that people have had enough of the BS of the media ,the regular politicians and the entertainment industry with their fascist racial and gender politics and since 2016 it only has gone worse and things have become more radical on the side of these SJW's and I predict because of that Trump will get re-elected certainly after the BLM /antifa shit and the access media blatantly lying about it and their continued smearing of Trump while the Democrats and Biden can get away with the most horrible things.That you are so naive and unwilling to investigate the larger picture here is a sign that you rather not find out the truth of what is going on or may not like what you find out .

I think we're getting to the real crux of things here. I seem to remember that when the show started, various posters were complaining about the wimmin and the gays and the darkies taking over "their" Star Trek and it being pointed out that this sort of discussion was both hateful and against Trek's values. Then the criticisms changed to ones of the writing and canon of the show as it was realised that misogynistic, homophobic and racist views would not sway most people. Now it appears that the mask has slipped and the hatred can be attributed to those sorts of awful views.

As for Trump vs Biden, I don't really know enough about the latter, but I do know that he can't be as bad as a sort of guy who thinks that it's OK to grab women by the pu**y, perv over his own daughter and who continually lies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump or as YouTube seems to be considered a great source round these parts https://youtu.be/qQruDaf7bKs . The latter is 2 years old; that figure must have doubled by now.

I do know that the Right Wing here in the UK managed to smear the most popular Left Wing leader of the opposition so badly that caused his party to return to a much more "only slightly to the left" stance but were still so worried that said leader has now been suspended from his own party for not agreeing that the accusations of Ant-Semitism against him were all correct. The Right Wing always fight much more dirtily than the Left.

@Nexus71 said:

As for visiting other boards just because I like a movie doesn't mean I should post on these board I am a Star Trek fan so my main interest lies there.Hey 2001 ASO is my all time favourite movie but I hardly post there same thing for Blade Runner or The Thing or various other movies .I recently encountered Phillipe on the Mortal Engines board where I actually addressed the fact that that movie was able to show diversity without it being obnoxious so Phillipe is not telling the entire truth either.

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But you don't like DIS or PIC - so why waste your time on them? Lots of the haters of New Trek say The Orville is great, but there are only two 2020 topics there as they are happier denigrating DIS and PIC. I personally thought https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/67195-legion was a load of up itself nonsense that was trying to look like it was deep, but was actually just a case of "let's put on loads of weirdness so people will think it's deep" but I've got better things to do with my time than try to convince the suckers that like it otherwise.

It was nice to see you being positive about something over at ME, but unfortunately my point that its author mainly agreed with you about New Trek:

@M.LeMarchand said:

@Nexus71 said:

Seems like we agree on something Phillippe.I thoroughly enjoyed the movie .

Seriously, read the books. The author even broadly agrees with your dismissal of "Picard" wink (though he does praise Chabon as a writer): https://philipreeveblog.blogspot.com/2020/03/a-waste-of-space.html . However, he has been known to get things wrong, such as the time he dismissed Steampunk as a moribund genre until it was pointed out that the ME series was Steampunk. (He later went full Steampunk for his Larklight trilogy). The post was swiftly deleted, but traces of it still linger: http://steampunkscholar.blogspot.com/2010/06/larklight-by-philip-reeve.html .

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@Nexus71 said:

Chabon may be good in books that largely revolve around historical issues or historical based fine but writing SF for a 50 years old franchise without first thoroughly exame things (or hire someone else to check if things make sense continuity wise and chronolgical wise)you write for such a franchise known for it's fanbase that like to nitpick about the tinniest details and stuff is another thing Phillippe. Considering these fact there was always going to be criticism certainly if you are only a temporary custodian of the franchise that largely still exist because of that same nitpicking fanbase making it even possible for people like Kurtzman ,Chabon and Goldsman to make shows for the franchise.

But here is comes the crux Chabon is not only being ill prepared or at least incompetent for the job he was hired for he had to act like a small child when people were critical about Picard on were not liking his screenplay (althoug Kurtzman still has a large finger in the story writing as well)he had to used (the tried and now so predictable route of insulting the decades old fanbase in various articles by repeating the same old boring tropes that people didn't like the because they don't like the shows (token) diversity or that thye are crying manbabies who hate their (so called) version of stong females inthe show or being genderphobic while most of the characters are clichΓ© cardboard cut -outs but that are unsympathetic hardly developed and some times even racist stereotypes (Raffi for example). In these articles it show that either how very little Chabon knows about Star Trek and Trek culture or that he simplly doesn't care because it is just ameans for him to do a series he really wants to do (The Cavelier And Clay series or something like that).And even if he wa hired I can understand that he doesn't want to stick out with being too creative because from what I understood from what happened awarded African American writer Walter Mosley the writers room is of Star Trek is toxic and so overly sensitive that it kills anything creative or diferent because it doesn't conform to their agenda.

And then there is another thing in another article the same Chabon and Goldsman confess to have actually writen stuff into Picard because they knew it would piss off the fans so that they can later use this to perpetuate the continuing myth of toxic fandom.And that Philllippe is something I and a large chunk of the fanbase cannot ignore.So from now on we decide to vote by not paying for the shit from Kurtzman,Chabon and Goldsman are churning out or claiming that is in production so thye can pretend to the outside guard that everything is hunky dory while in facr they are strugling to find financers for any new Star Trek show. .A good indication was The Lower Decks(TLD)trailer that was released last week on YouTube .were comments and likes /dislikes ratio were blocked after only two days because CBS didn't dig the comments people were making about the show and the number of dislikes it got

@Invidia said:

Yes Phil, please do get around to posting the NEW IDEA that you have for A NEW TOPIC SOON !!! Because one will also be looking forward to seeing it and what you've come up with.

It's on the point that you made about people always having been negative about any changes in Trek. Maybe tomorrow!

Laptop: I suppose such a markup from a store is to be expected. Laptops on beds are definitely bad as they normally have fans that suck in air to keep them cooler. If on a bed, that means fabric threads and in your case, cat hairs (is that cat in your avatar yours?) and less cooling as the bed covers will tend to block the fan. After a while the fans get like this: https://www.techadvisor.co.uk/cmsdata/features/3417484/laptop-fan-clogged.jpg

You can get all sorts of things to create a better surface and increase airflow (like https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Ventilated-Adjustable-Laptop-Stand/dp/B00WRDS8H0 lots of fancier ones, too) but even putting a laptop on something like a ring binder https://www.staples.co.uk/content/images/product/GenesisExtraLarge/97/38/asset.3789738.jpg or a even a (clean and dry!) chopping board can be better than nothing.

@Invidia said:

Also FOUND THIS LINK where WAL MART SELLS one for $19:

https://www.walmart.com/ip/USB-Type-C-to-Gigabit-Ethernet-RJ45-Adapter-By-FireFold/949284910?athcpid=949284910&athpgid=athenaItemPage&athcgid=null&athznid=PWVAV&athieid=v0&athstid=CS004&athguid=110a4725-007-175752a42d415f&athancid=null&athena=true

But this one (which looks like the one that I have now) also doesn't have the SILVER METAL around it like the one that I have. But the one I have is also a 3.0 whereas this other one is a 3.1.

So what does the METAL MEAN??? If it means NOTHING, then I'VE DEFINITELY been RIPPED OFF.

If this is what you have: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1057/0966/products/JCH471_1_800x.jpg it is functionally the same as the $17 one I linked to. The metal is primarily an aesthetic choice. The manufacturer's site has them for $40. Luckily a lot of stuff is next day here in the UK - I keep forgetting that the size of the US makes it slower to order stuff!

Haven't seen DIS 3.2 yet as Bonus Daughter 2 went to look after her Nana last Thursday and she normally watches DIS with her Mum and me so we have to wait for her return. She's back tomorrow, so I'm hoping we get to see 3.2 and 3.3 this weekend.

@Invidia said:

THANKS for the LINK to the one with the METAL around it. What's PISSING ME OFF is how that one also has 3 other DIFFERENT HOLES on the SIDE of it whereas the one I have DOES NOT!!! So what are those other 3 HOLES on the side of it for??? Apparently one has also been RIPPED OFF by not having the OPTION of using those as well???

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SOUNDS WONDERUL PHIL !!! Can hardly wait to see what it is that you come up with !!!

Do you plan on checking out those OLDER NEWSNETS the WRITER MENTIONED and then posting some of the STUFF they said about TNG back in the 90's here???

That would also be AMUSING to see how the ANTI NEW TREK TROLLS were saying the SAME SILLY STUFF back then in the 90's that one hears them SAYING NOW.

Also wish the WRITER had also PRINTED OUT some of the STUFF he found and had given examples of it to the person who interviewed him so that we'd also have copies of it that we could post here now.

I keep the LAP TOP sitting on top of a CEREAL BOX or something else so the COVERS wouldn't be a problem. But CAT HAIRS could be an ISSUE, and YES that's also a CAT that you see there in MY AVATAR (because one also works each night taking care of them as a part of the TRAP and RELEASE PROGRAM where we catch STRAYS and get them the SURGERY they need as a way to keep them from making STILL more STRAYS). And occasionally some of those strays also become UNSTRAYS or HOUSE PETS.

Three holes are to insert USB devices into (e.g. drives, card readers, mice, keyboards etc).

Haven't got time to try and track down old Newsgroup archives (I wish there were some hints in that article too), so I've imagined them. Got to the TNG movies: Just DS9, VOY and ENT to go.

I love cats; alas ours had to go to sleep a couple of months back and the girls currently don't want the heartbreak repeated again. I'm gonna give it a few moths before I start trying to warm them to the idea. I'd like to adopt Bonus Daughter 1's boy cat who isn't getting much attention since the birth of the Holy Grandson but his sister (cat!) is happy where she is, and it would be unfair to split them.

@Invidia said:

Oh great. So the next time the TOUCH pad stops working then one will also NOT have a WAY to use one of the OLD MOUSES (from one of the old desk tops) as a way to access the internet to find out how to FIX IT !!!

Usually when that happens one has also accidently touched one of those F KEYS or something and all one has to do is TOUCH it again.

So maybe I'll just need to TOUCH all of those F KEYS and hope for the best if that happens again???

HAPPY HALLOWEEN and DAY of the DEAD to you TOO PHIL !!!

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The correct key is normally marked with a symbol like: https://download.lenovo.com/km/media/images/HT102941/79bb249e609a4a4baf9fa037e606f7e3.png

Yeah, Happy Halloween! I'm considering supporting Abney Park, one of my favourite bands, who are doing a live streaming concert/album launch. I was lucky enough to catch them in London a few years back and they were great live. I'm not convinced by a show from their studio, but I can afford to pay and you can get the new release as part of one of the price levels. https://youtu.be/i6V_jP0sX04

(unless BIDEN is ELECTED in 5 days the GRID LOCK in CONGRESS ends and they also send us another STIMULUS check again soon so that the TRICKLE DOWN situation can TRICKLE ON back up again).

Again the media lies if it had been for Trump his 1.8 trillion stimulus package would have already been approved but it is the Democrats under Nancy Pelosi who are blocking this because they want 2.2 trillion (probably to bailout their friends in the movie industry who are in their current position because of shoveling partisan politics and a SJW politics into the entertainment ).Also apart from the 1.8 trillion stimulus package Trump also has announced a Platinum package that behests a 500 billion investment into the inner cities specifically aimed at the black community and money for blacks to get cheap loans to start their own business. Even tech companies like Twitter ,Facebook and Google are spreading lies and censor everything negative about the Bidens,which is why Jack Dorsey,Mark Zuckerberg and Sundar Pichai had to appear for a senate hearing where it became pretty evident that these have a history of being biased in the articles they block and they ones they don't. And they had blocked the New York Post article dealing with the shady business of the Bidens because they doubted the validity of the the source while it didn't block The New York Times which published false Trump's Tax returns which if they were real would have constituted a criminal offence since The President has to give his approval for this information to be released.

@Invidia said:

Thanks for the link Phil. They are WONDERFUL !!! LOVE the FIDDLE PLAYER and what kind of an instrument is that other one that sounds more like a MANDOLIN than a GUITAR???

Also LOVE the background with those 2 old fashioned VICTROLA's (records players with the HORNS), and that other HUGE DEVICE with the FAN sitting in front of it also reminds one of the thing in TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN that DAVID BOWIE's character (AGENT JEFFRIES) was turned into.

The fiddle player really made the gig I attended. The lineup is quite fluid, apart from lead singer Captain Robert and his wife (on keyboards). The guitar player who escaped from Fury Road is still there, AFAIK (will see tonight!) but the fiddle player is now a young lady. I think it's probably a Bouzouki that Captain Robert is playing there. He usually uses one of those or a Darbuka, which looks similar - though he seems to be able to play a load of things. Pretty sure a lot of them he builds, as well! I think the big thing is supposed to be a big old steampunk subwoofer.

I had to look up how they fitted Bowie into the new Twin Peaks (or didn't). Afraid I only managed the first ep, and that was a struggle. Keep meaning to try more as I own the originals, but there's always something I'd rather watch!

Managed 3.2 last night, which was great - though we only got to watch it late; I think I'd have enjoyed it more if I'd been less tired. Sorry to hear that you didn't get to lee 3.3.

Anyway, Happy Halloween, and I hope that if get the election result you want that the loser doesn't do his level best to cause even more problems that he already has.

Oh - you might enjoy this: https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/67198-star-trek-discovery/discuss/5f9d9f1a7614210037eefc84

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