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Its kind of a mess right now, not knowing which source you guys are following to create the episodes? And how do you decide which episode should be marked as Specials?

My suggestions are:

  • Remove season Specials (until we are clear the broadcast is really "special". eg. re-cast?)
  • Make 1 season for each year (eg. 2005 as Season 01 or Season 2005, 2006 as Season 02 or Season 2006)
  • Group stories broadcast on the same day as 1 episode (eg. broadcast 1a, 1b and 1c grouped into episode 1)

I believe this makes the whole listings easier to follow.

What do you all think?

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Hi! The episodes are exactly how they should be. Have you read the TV/anime guidelines?

Is this a bot that auto reply and closed the thread?

This listing's source information is still unknown to me, can you please point me to which source this listing is based on?

I ask so I can contribute..

Please investigate before you start doubting me not reading the guidelines?

I doubt you have read the guidelines because your last two suggestions are against the TV guidelines. And you suggested deleting (for no reason) hundreds of segments I spent hours adding.

All the data comes from tv asahi. The segments coming from special episodes are in the specials.

I agree that the special episodes, despite being titled “special” (スペシャル) should be just placed in the main season, barring maybe a few exceptions, because:

  1. There's no official numeration for any episode or segment, special or not, only date-based ordering. For reference, Wikipedia (Japanese and Chinese) numerate segments (話/单元) in unified sequence; while Wikipedia (English), TVDB, and Doraemon Wiki all numerate episodes in unified sequence, and do not numerate segments.
  2. In any of those cases, official or not, numerated or not, so-called special episodes are always listed along normal ones. And to do things differently here without an unambiguous standard (I'll explain this further) would cripple interoperability, and increase the chance that a user might input or fetch wrong data.
  3. The broadcasting arrangement is not significantly, if at all, deviated from the normal schedule. They are called specials mainly for their longer runtime (one hour to two instead of the usual half). Since segments are individually represented, the duration of episode itself is less important. They're also special in that they are usually related to a festival/anniversary/character’s birthday/movie release. Neither implication reflects, I think, the typical organisational role of Specials (Season 0) necessary for, say, an OVA/Episode 0/recap/behind-the-scenes. A Christmas special of a British TV series (e.g. Downton Abbey) is similar in function but does not check for the same numeration system or broadcasting schedule. As mentioned in the bible: "Sometimes a network will call an episode a "special" episode but still assign it a season and episode number; in those cases, it should not be added to the special season."
  4. Doraemon special episodes may also contain rerun segments, but these are excluded anyway, so no need for Specials status, either.

All of them considered, putting the specials alongside non-specials would be more in line with the principle behind TMDB's approach that

continuous episode numbers (e.g. 867, 868, 869) are added as a single season,

rather than being split into multiple ones, as suggested by @LightYearsBehind. Episode group would be better suited for both purposes and offers greater granularity:

  • Specials
    • Doraemon's Birthday Specials
    • New Year's Eve Specials
  • Year
    • 2005
    • 2006

With the current separation of Specials and Season 1, there can be confusions and inconsistencies, for example:


@banana_girl said:

All the data comes from tv asahi. The segments coming from special episodes are in the specials.

Although TV Asahi is the official website, it's not without flaws. The rather arbitrary use and "no use", for that matter, of the word special is already mentioned above. Here are two more:

For some episodes, the order of segments aired on the same day is actually wrong/inverted, and it's better to compare them against actual recordings and Wikipedia. I've taken the liberty to swap S1 E123 and S1 E124, for example. But there are more cases to be confirmed, such as S0 E9–11.

Another problem with TV Asahi's data is that it does not specify rerun episode/segment. For examples:

In an episode- or date-based listing, this is only a minor issue, but TMDB (cartoon/Anime) is segment-based, and

the main reason for splitting the segments is that segments are often released individually and/or paired with a different segment in subsequent releases,

which seems to be against duplicating segments? Or maybe I didn't understand this guideline correctly?

It's really annoying right now that every a few months, someone would just come and change hundreds of episodes (in Chinese mainly) from segment-based naming to episode-based one, irregards of contribution bible or translations.

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