you are right!...also, you just find a random car and jump start it. The battery is still good?

@poit57 said:

There were two things in the finale that made no sense to the group I was watching with.

1. Other than prolonging the story for drama, why did Al not immediately fire on Martha with a harnessed Jim zombie? She knows Martha's M.O., so it made no sense for Al to have a conversation with a zombie in her face.

2. When Strand had trouble getting the valve on the ethanol tanker, I thought Al came up with a great dual-purpose solution with her SWAT van guns - taking out all the walkers and open the tanker at the same time. The most ridiculous revelation from the other characters followed when they informed Morgan that they had lost all the ethanol. How did not one character think to catch the ethanol pouring from the bullet holes in the gas can that they brought out for that purpose?

This was my favorite season of this show largely because of the new cast, but it still has some bad writing moments.

My disappointment is the group staying in Texas and finding people, I think it would have been more interesting if they went back to Alexandria, it comes across as a water downed version of TWD, I guess this season was Morgan's redemption, I guess next season will be about them establishing there own colony? A twist would be them turning into the Saviors or Woodbury.

@poit57 said:

There were two things in the finale that made no sense to the group I was watching with.

1. Other than prolonging the story for drama, why did Al not immediately fire on Martha with a harnessed Jim zombie? She knows Martha's M.O., so it made no sense for Al to have a conversation with a zombie in her face.

2. When Strand had trouble getting the valve on the ethanol tanker, I thought Al came up with a great dual-purpose solution with her SWAT van guns - taking out all the walkers and open the tanker at the same time. The most ridiculous revelation from the other characters followed when they informed Morgan that they had lost all the ethanol. How did not one character think to catch the ethanol pouring from the bullet holes in the gas can that they brought out for that purpose?

This was my favorite season of this show largely because of the new cast, but it still has some bad writing moments.

Why would she not take the shot at Martha? I was practically screaming at my TV. At that point was she aware that Martha had poisoned the water?

Even if she didn't know Martha poisoned the water, Al knew that's Martha attacked them on the road with her own van and was now wielding a dead member of their group as a weapon.

@poit57 said:

Even if she didn't know Martha poisoned the water, Al knew that's Martha attacked them on the road with her own van and was now wielding a dead member of their group as a weapon.

I guess weaponized walker Jim would have been reason enough.

I did wonder why Althea didn't unload on Martha and poor Jim myself.

@Satch_the_man said:

I did wonder why Althea didn't unload on Martha and poor Jim myself.

There seems to be a prevailing attitude that all human life is worth saving. Both shows. Except in extreme circumstances, the cast tends to default to not killing a living person. Martha was an extreme example. Morgan's obsession with finding her and saving her was absurd. She was beyond that. He was never her. He went off the rails a bit but her never was bats**t crazy. This is another example of lousy writing; writing just to get characters into situations where "drama" can occur. Good writing does it logically, bad writing just does it any old way - regardless of character, logic, etc.

The entire "lets go to Alexandria" thing was nonsense. Morgan was there when the place burned to the ground!! There is no Alexandria. There is the Hilltop, The Kingdom, and Oceanside. Oh yeah and whatever the Sanctuary will become without Negan. THEN once everyone is on board he changes his mind!!! NO they're gonna stay in Texas and help people! After all the talk about Virginia, I'd have left him there and gone off to find the place!!

@Oldnewbie said:

@Satch_the_man said:

I did wonder why Althea didn't unload on Martha and poor Jim myself.

There seems to be a prevailing attitude that all human life is worth saving. Both shows. Except in extreme circumstances, the cast tends to default to not killing a living person. Martha was an extreme example. Morgan's obsession with finding her and saving her was absurd. She was beyond that. He was never her. He went off the rails a bit but her never was bats**t crazy.

I totally agree. She was a danger to anyone she came across. A grown up Lizzie. Should have been another Look at the Flowers.

@jonnieblack said:

@Oldnewbie said:

@Satch_the_man said:

I did wonder why Althea didn't unload on Martha and poor Jim myself.

There seems to be a prevailing attitude that all human life is worth saving. Both shows. Except in extreme circumstances, the cast tends to default to not killing a living person. Martha was an extreme example. Morgan's obsession with finding her and saving her was absurd. She was beyond that. He was never her. He went off the rails a bit but her never was bats**t crazy.

I totally agree. She was a danger to anyone she came across. A grown up Lizzie. Should have been another Look at the Flowers.

Ah Lizzie... back when TWD could pack a punch. Great character and great episode... broke my heart. Not for her as she was beyond help but for Carol who had to take her out to the field. Especially with Lizzie reminding her of her own lost daughter. Where are those moments now? Not even Carl's death measured up to the "Look at the flowers" moment.

1. She's a "cardboard villain", lol. when this show goes stupid, it goes all the way. A pump shot gun vs a Walker on a stick - yeah right! Geezus, the manufactured drama on this show knows no bounds.
   
2. At one time I thought this show was better than TWD. But it's slipping and slipping, not only away from the unique perspective it started with, but in to a pale, lesser version of the worst of TWD.