@GForce59 said:

BTW, when is the next episode airing? Is it tonight or are they taking a hiatus so people are "forced" to watch the spin-off? Thanks.

Not really since they do this break instead of the christmas break every season, even though its purely concidental

@The Riddler said:

@GForce59 said:

BTW, when is the next episode airing? Is it tonight or are they taking a hiatus so people are "forced" to watch the spin-off? Thanks.

Not really since they do this break instead of the christmas break every season, even though its purely concidental

I´ts probably an lizzys mom, not the man in the woods who barely likes mr kaplan or jennifer

In an interview with Jon Bokenkamp, the possibility of Jennifer being behind this attack on Red was mentioned. JB said that Jennifer was a real character, suggesting we might hear more of her.......I rest my case!

Kaplan certainly would have the resources. When Red took her to the field I recall there were comments about how Red could not trust her and that with her extensive knowledge of his organization, his accounts, his vulnerabilities, etc. that it was too dangerous to leave her alive. Dembe has been upset about how Red handled Mr. Kaplan since it happened. That has been made clear several times since. And it appeared to Red that Dembe is the one who sabotaged things at the end of the last episode.

Of course the writers could easily make it someone else to surprise us. But my money is on Dembe

Could Dembe and Kaplan then be working together?

@wonder2wonder said:

Could Dembe and Kaplan then be working together?

I think that's very possible.

@wonder2wonder said:

Could Dembe and Kaplan then be working together?

Yes, it's incredibly possible.

OK, I must have missed something. Who's Jennifer?

@drspb2 said:

Hi, I am an orphan from the IMDB messageboard. Soon a lot of my brothers and sisters will follow hopefully. We like to discuss the puzzles , the Blacklist brings us. Last episodes, it became clear Red is under attack by somebody. Others speculated that it might be Mr. Kaplan or Mr. Kaplan's sister. May be Katerina. I am wondering too who is behind this thread, and strangely, I can only come up with women. My guess is, it is Jennifer. She is mentioned in season 2, and it remaind unsure where she is, or what happened to her. One of many loose ends, so to speak. In season 2 when her name came up, Naomi said to Red:"She knew that one day you would be coming for her...."which sounded kind of omminous. She supposes to be his doughter, and that would not have been the frase I would have used. So my guess is Jennifer has a score to settle with Red and is behind these attacks.

The Two episode on April 20th answered all

Well now we know it is Kate. I had been wondering how long it would take until she took her revenge. When it appeared that Dembe had poisoned Red, I wondered if he was taking revenge for Kate, or if they were working together to take him down. I always thought Kate would take revenge on Red. Though she betrayed him and put him through hell with the faking of Lizzie's death, she had been his faithful friend for so long, and was always there at his beck and call. She deserved more consideration than a bullet to the head. Of course, Red cannot tolerate disloyalty, and Kate had been disloyal and deceitful. She betrayed his trust.

I still wondered if things could be worked out between them, but now I really doubt that possibility. She has become his most dangerous enemy and Red only knows one way to deal with such people. Kate knows everything about his businesses, his money, his accounts, his habits, his allies, and his enemies. Now it's on.

@write2topcat said:

Well now we know it is Kate. I had been wondering how long it would take until she took her revenge. When it appeared that Dembe had poisoned Red, I wondered if he was taking revenge for Kate, or if they were working together to take him down. I always thought Kate would take revenge on Red. Though she betrayed him and put him through hell with the faking of Lizzie's death, she had been his faithful friend for so long, and was always there at his beck and call. She deserved more consideration than a bullet to the head. Of course, Red cannot tolerate disloyalty, and Kate had been disloyal and deceitful. She betrayed his trust.

I still wondered if things could be worked out between them, but now I really doubt that possibility. She has become his most dangerous enemy and Red only knows one way to deal with such people. Kate knows everything about his businesses, his money, his accounts, his habits, his allies, and his enemies. Now it's on.

I quite agree. To quote the leader of Japan from World War II when the bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor, "We have now awoke a sleeping giant." because that's EXACTLY what Red did when he shot her.

At least now I understand why the bullet didn't kill her. When it happened, I thought she had just been incredibly lucky and he'd missed, which isn't like him. But now I know the bullet hit the metal plate and didn't go any farther. And now that she's recovered, she's woken up and is out for his blood. And she may very well get it. I doubt the FBI is going to be able to stop her.

As to betrayal, she didn't betray him. She kept her word. She said in the beginning from the moment he offered her the job that her first and foremost loyalty is to Liz, and no one else. At the time, he commended her for that, but he forgot that promise she made, and now he thinks she's betrayed him. It's he who betrayed her, and now he has to live with the consequences of that. If anyone can take him down, she can, and when she's done, she'll disappear.

I know what they showed in the trailer for next week, but I don't think she's going to hurt either Liz or Agnes, nor is she going to try to take Agnes from Liz. I think she's there to give Liz the full story on how she got "involved" with Red and give her the truth about what she knows about Liz's mother. Then she'll leave. Whether Liz will believe her will be another story. I think she's going to have a hard time believing Kate, but I do think eventually she will, and Red will really need to watch out.

What I mean is she lied to him, betraying his trust. How can you trust someone who has lied to you? That said, I thought he would have found some lesser way to deal with that. Kate told him that he couldn't keep Liz safe and that was why she came up with the plan. But that plan left her unprotected as well and led to Liz and Agnes being taken, and led to that guy trying to kill Tom. I understand why Kate did what she did. But I also understand Red feeling betrayed and angry. But I was hoping she would have gotten a time out or something I guess. lol I thought it was unrealistic to have him shoot her. Someone who is that close a friend and confidante for that many years? Unless Red is actually sociopathic, I think he would have dealt with it differently. He should have. Anyway, this sets the stage for some interesting shows going forward.

Gee, I just saw the Requiem episode (I watch the show on demand at my leisure) and got the whole backstory on Kate. It certainly sheds light on why she felt so strongly about protecting Liz that she went behind Red's back, lied to him, and let him suffer through the grieving process over Liz. This episode gives the audience Kate's perspective on the issue. And Kate's actions revealed at the end of the show seem to destroy any hopes that she and Red could ever come to terms, work things out. I had been hoping for something like that to happen. Of course it would be hard for anyone to go back to someone who shot them in the back of the head. I was shocked when he shot her; I just didn't think he would do that to her.
Anyway, now Red is in for some real trouble. Kate is going to create many new enemies for Red. Presumably, some of his current friendly associates may find that Red was behind murders of their friends, or that he caused destruction in their lives. And others who have left him alone because they were not aware of his actions may now become sworn enemies of his.
I recall something being said in the episode when he shot her about how she knew too much for him to let her live, and that he now could not trust her. Well here we see that she literally knows where all the bodies are buried, because she dug them all up. Kate has always been a weird little lady, and now she gets to play the nemesis to Red.

And now we have more information about Liz and Red's past than we have been privy to before. Red has always said that he is not Lizzie's father, and that her father died the night of the fire. But at some point he did believe he was her father. So I wonder who Liz's real father is. Who was it that Masha shot that night? This show always keeps some mystery, it keeps us wondering, and keeps us coming back.

This is he only show I watch where I have to keep notes to be able to follow everything. The writing is so complex!

@write2topcat said:

What I mean is she lied to him, betraying his trust. How can you trust someone who has lied to you? That said, I thought he would have found some lesser way to deal with that. Kate told him that he couldn't keep Liz safe and that was why she came up with the plan. But that plan left her unprotected as well and led to Liz and Agnes being taken, and led to that guy trying to kill Tom. I understand why Kate did what she did. But I also understand Red feeling betrayed and angry. But I was hoping she would have gotten a time out or something I guess. lol I thought it was unrealistic to have him shoot her. Someone who is that close a friend and confidante for that many years? Unless Red is actually sociopathic, I think he would have dealt with it differently. He should have. Anyway, this sets the stage for some interesting shows going forward.

I do think he might be a sociopath. He claims he dislikes killing but he'll do it if he has to. Some might call that being pragmatic, but I don't believe that. I believe he's just a plain natural born killer who will do whatever it takes to protect himself. Which may mean he could be a narcissist. Has he ever admitted he was wrong about anything (and I don't mean like being wrong about Kaplan. I mean making a decision about something and then realizing it was the wrong decision and admitting it)? Because he still refuses to believe he was wrong about anything he did in regard to Liz, even when Kaplan stared him straight in the face and told him he was wrong.

@Satai Delenn said:

@write2topcat said:

What I mean is she lied to him, betraying his trust. How can you trust someone who has lied to you? That said, I thought he would have found some lesser way to deal with that. Kate told him that he couldn't keep Liz safe and that was why she came up with the plan. But that plan left her unprotected as well and led to Liz and Agnes being taken, and led to that guy trying to kill Tom. I understand why Kate did what she did. But I also understand Red feeling betrayed and angry. But I was hoping she would have gotten a time out or something I guess. lol I thought it was unrealistic to have him shoot her. Someone who is that close a friend and confidante for that many years? Unless Red is actually sociopathic, I think he would have dealt with it differently. He should have. Anyway, this sets the stage for some interesting shows going forward.

I do think he might be a sociopath. He claims he dislikes killing but he'll do it if he has to. Some might call that being pragmatic, but I don't believe that. I believe he's just a plain natural born killer who will do whatever it takes to protect himself. Which may mean he could be a narcissist. Has he ever admitted he was wrong about anything (and I don't mean like being wrong about Kaplan. I mean making a decision about something and then realizing it was the wrong decision and admitting it)? Because he still refuses to believe he was wrong about anything he did in regard to Liz, even when Kaplan stared him straight in the face and told him he was wrong.

Red just kills anyone that wrongs him. He is a sociopath.

Even last night. When he found out that guy who was working for Red helped Kaplan clear his bank accounts, shot him dead without a mere thought of what he was doing.

And funny for some reason, I didn't mind it earlier during the first couple of seasons, but for some reason, since his war with Kaplan, I'm having second thoughts about his behavior.