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I asked this question on the IMDB message board a year or two ago. Somebody actually was keeping track and posted the answer.

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Not sure, but I would say Elizabeth has surpassed Philip, she's so evil.

Reportedly the series will end in 2018. I will not be satisfied unless Philip and Elizabeth are exposed as Soviet spies, arrested, convicted, and sentenced to death for the murders they committed.

@Mon-Star said:

Reportedly the series will end in 2018. I will not be satisfied unless Philip and Elizabeth are exposed as Soviet spies, arrested, convicted, and sentenced to death for the murders they committed.

If they are good at thier jobs then , hopefully they don't get caught. I'm not hopeful they will, but if they do, hope they make it a grand finale.

“The Straight Dope” Message Board has a pile of posts about this subject. That demonstrates that TMDB is still largely inactive. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=823547

Their member, terentii, lists these kills

  1. The defector who'd raped Elizabeth in Moscow.
  2. Stan's buddy at the FBI. [Stan's partner Chris Amador]
  3. The guy who worked at the defense plant, while he was under his car.
  4. The security guard on the airport bus.
  5. The guy who happened to be in the computer lab at the wrong time.
  6. Gene, the FBI computer guy.
  7. The black woman who was going to rat on Elizabeth.
  8. The South African guy who was infected with Lassa fever (though that was more of a mercy killing).
  9. The South African official (execution-style) and his female bodyguard. -n/a- The young government official, in his apartment (though that was done by one of their handlers after Elizabeth let him go).
  10. The guy in the bug lab.
  11. The CIA officer (I think he was) at the country retreat (though that was more of an old-style shootout).

E-DUB added these: 12) Rent-a-cop in his car. (Not the airport guy.)-E 13) Waiter, after telling him it was all right.-P 14) Elizabeth killed a guy in the swimming pool to get a promotion for their source. Their source killed the woman who was Phillip's Swedish contact, hers was the body that they had to break up to get into the suitcase. That one isn't on them.

Horatius added Quote: by terentii, “Didn't Phillip also kill a woman at the maintenance and repair center when he went to retrieve the recorder from the FBI robot? Spent the whole night talking to her, I think.” 15 That was Elizabeth.

Don Draper added [Confirms #15, Elizabeth did in the old lady at the computer shop (when they were bugging the Mail Robot). Technically, Elizabeth allowed her to off herself, but...well, that we can count. 16 There was also the security guy they abducted and tied up when they broke into the military base. They were going to let him live, but he died of exposure (they left him out in the cold for too long). Again, not technically murder, but...definitely their fault. I wouldn't count the muggers/would-be rapists that threatened Elizabeth and Paige either.


Last night's episode May 16, 2017

  • 17 Soviet woman found in the USA, decades after collaborating with the Nazis to kill 1,000 Soviet soldiers in WWII
  • 18 The husband of #17 – can't leave a key witness alive.

A Reddit site in April 2015 counted 8 by Elizabeth and 11 by Phillip for 19 two years ago. But there are not enough details to add more here.

After watching the last episode, I can only hope that at the end of the series next year, Eliz and Phil get killed in the most gruesome way.

I am waiting for the next series here in Britain - I am enjoying it but I find it disturbing that the temptation is to feel sympathy for these people - the writers don't seem to make you want to hate them and root for their downfall. I suppose it is like in any war - hot or cold - they are fighting for what they believe in - just as our agents in other countries do the same thing. That is not to say that I condone them in any way at all, I would be outraged if they make it back to Russia unpunished - but I can understand their motivations.

Even if they make it back to Russia, that looks like misery on a stick. And their kids lose all those years of school, social connections and have to learn to speak a new language - they'll hate them.

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