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That Sinclair was going to be/had already been Valen, before the two-part "War Without End" episode? Maybe not until the letters he sent them from the past... but maybe...

And how did she know in "Messages From Earth" that the Shadow ships used a living being as their "central processor," and told the others, when it seemed to be a revelation to them later on? (I don't remember which episode, but I'll be seeing it again fairly soon.)

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But when Delenn is talking to Lennier earlier in the 'War Without End" two-parter, she apparently already knows that Sinclair will be going back in time with Babylon 4, to become Valen. And Lennier must know too.

Delenn: Come.

Lennier: Delenn, I-- Delenn? Where are you?

Delenn: He's here, isn't he?

Lennier: Yes.

Delenn: Then it's time. We are Grey. We stand between the candle and the star. He's my friend, Lennier.

Lennier: I know. But it must be done or the dream will die, and countless others will die with it.

Delenn: I wish I had more time.

Maybe that was just from the letter, I also wonder though, if she knew BEFORE then. Obviously Kosh did, if nothing else from the original "The Gathering" when he (accidentally? overcome by emotion?) addresses who he thought was Sinclair as "Entil'Zha Valen."

And later, when they find the ship of telepaths that were to be used to control Shadow ships, they seem surprised that living beings will be involved, even though Delenn told them all in "Messages From Earth."

I also find it difficult to believe that the Minbari would have so few historical records from the previous war with the Shadows etc, considering the technology they had even then. But I have the same problem with the claim that the "Forbidden Planet" aliens - the Krell - supposedly left behind no images of themselves etc, not even as medical data, textbooks, etc; only "tech manuals" for the equipment.

You also have to assume, among other things, that Obama's ego would allow him to forego being president, whatever the consequences might be (and IF you believe that it was inevitable). I wouldn't assume that for a second, nor would I believe it if anyone claimed it to me.

And remember, since it's time travel, it may be another of those "trying to prevent Hitler is what CAUSES Hitler" deals.

For all we know, someone DID go back in time to warn Obama (or someone else), and he ignored them. Nobody can prove it either way. Or Obama may have believed it, and that's why he made Hillary his secret-email-leaking, foreign-money-slush-fund-dealing Sec'o'State, with the idea that she could prove herself worthy of being president after him, except Hillary being Hillary and with her ego too, she just "had to" do the illegal email server etc, and tanked herself. Nobody can prove THAT didn't happen either. Which could mean that Trump was inevitable, and it may have actually been Obama's/Hillary's FAULT, so why get peeved about it? Or if you insist on being peeved, be peeved at Hillary and Obama for messing up the time loop.

Which lies? Oh, you must mean "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor." "If you like your health plan, you can keep your health plan."

Oh, wait...

You must mean "I never had any classified material on my illegal email server in the basement of my house."

Oh, wait...

But speaking of which, your or I or anyone else who did that, who was not named Clinton, would be in prison. Just for one example, did you hear about the lowly sailor who sent a couple "selfies" I think to his parents, which happened to be taken I think in the engine room of the sub he served on? I think he got 2 years, maybe more. And that NSA leaker, I don't remember her weird name, will probably get several years too. Too bad she didn't think to change her name to "Clinton" first.

Anyway, keep in mind that it's a TV show, that Clark has the Psi Corps on his side, and also the Shadows via Mr Morden.

P.S. Hillary didn't win. The popular vote is irrelevant. That's what the Constitution says. Indeed, prior to the 12th Amendment adopted in 1804, the members of the Electoral College who then elected the President, were selected by the state legislatures, not by popular vote. And, prior to the 17th Amendment adopted in 1913, the Senate was also selected by state legislatures, not by popular vote. The larger issue, though, is that NO president is supposed to be doing as much as they have been doing for decades already. That's because the legislators are shirking their responsibilities. They don't want to get blamed for doing things that the people who vote for them don't like, so they end up doing nothing, and shifting the burdens to others, including the presidents and the courts. Which is also what makes the courts too controversial.

Yawn.

None of Trumps LIES have been UNDER OATH, about IMPROPER SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS, which resulted in him being IMPEACHED AND DISBARRED.

NONE of Trumps LIES have been about a POLICY such as "AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE" which ACTUALLY resulted in MILLIONS of people LOSING THEIR COVERAGE, a LIE which was KNOWN to be a LIE BEFORE OBAMA TOLD IT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME, AND EVERY TIME THEREAFTER.

And nobody in media is counting Hillary's LIES because THEY'RE ON HER SIDE.

None of Ivanka's emails are even CLAIMED to have any CLASSIFIED MATERIAL which should RESULT in JAIL TIME for ANYONE whose name ISN'T CLINTON. Nor did Ivanka have an ILLEGAL PRIVATE SERVER IN HER HOME. Nor did Ivanka DELETE THOUSANDS OF EMAILS, and then HIRE AN OUTSIDE COMPANY WHO ALSO DIDN'T HAVE CLEARANCE FOR CLASSIFIED INFORMATION (ANOTHER VIOLATION THAT ANYONE ELSE WOULD GO TO PRISON FOR), trying to COVER UP her PREVIOUS ILLEGAL ACTS. In fact, it's been shown that Ivanka's emails were ALREADY INCLUDED IN THE GOVERNMENT RECORDS, which is SPECIFICALLY what Hillary TRIED TO AVOID BY HAVING HER OWN UNSECURED ILLEGAL PRIVATE SERVER. And then DELETING THOUSANDS OF EMAILS and having an UNCLEARED PRIVATE COMPANY "bleach bit" and then at least partly DESTROY THE SERVER ITSELF.

You even said yourself that Ivanka was sending PERSONAL EMAILS. Hillary conducted STATE DEPARTMENT BUSINESS, INCLUDING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION, ON HER PRIVATE, UNSECURED, ILLEGAL SERVER IN HER HOME. It's CERTAIN that EVERY BAD ACTOR IN THE WORLD, INCLUDING PUTIN, HAS EVERYTHING SHE EVER PUT THROUGH THERE.

That capitalizing-every-other-word thing is tiring. And tiresome.

Gerrymandering has no impact on anything but house of representatives. Everything else - Senate, President - is state-wide, and so gerrymandering is irrelevant.

And the idea of a representative government, including the Senate and Electoral College, is only fraudulently claimed to be "because of slavery." These days it also serves to prevent a few highly populated areas from running - and ruining - everything else. Think about how you'd feel if the people next door got to decide how YOUR house should be run, or maybe it should just be THEIR house TOO, because THEY have 6 people in their house and you only have 2 or 3 or 4. So YOU have to give YOUR water, food, firewood, etc, to THEM. And maybe your bedrooms, and furniture... Because they "NEED" it more than YOU do. Or really, they just WANT it, and they OUTVOTE YOU.

Speaking of which, America is not a Democracy. It was, and is, a constitutional/representative republic. Which is nothing to scoff at. When asked what form of government had been created, Benjamin Franklin responded "A republic. If you can keep it."

Fortunately, a Constitutional Amendment to change that, would never pass, because it requires a supermajority of STATES to vote FOR it. Which would never happen. It's the same reason it was put in there to start with, the smaller states required it before they would ratify the Constitution, as protection against being run-roughshod-over by a few states with larger populations.

And really, nobody wants "true democracy." Which is basically mob rule. Or as another expression goes, "true democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." But as another saying goes, "I already know what kind of person you are, now we're just haggling about price." You want guaranteed freedom of speech/press/etc? That's not truly democratic. In a true democracy, people could vote that you DON'T get to say or publish what you want. In at true democracy, people could vote that you're a slave. Or must be put to death. The truth is, you just want what YOU want, and you'll call that "democracy" because it suits YOU.

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