@Morning1 wrote:

Item: The Big Cases
Language: en-US
Type of Problem: Incorrect_content

Thanks for your report!

Extra Details: The episodes in this series are usually split into seasons by year. So s2022e01, s2022e02 etc.

I'd be happy to do the work to split the episodes into the correct season and finesse the dates, order, runtimes and update a few missing episodes. Can I do that or is that only something mods/staff can do?

You can update the data and correct any mistakes, but please don't create more seasons.
As explained in the other report, we always follow the network - that's what's most important for us!

And when you look at the official page of "The Big Cases" on the BBC website, you don't see any seasons:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c072wf

As an alternative, you could create an episode group based on calendar year (after you finish with all the other fixing)
To create episode groups, you have to start here:
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/206835-the-big-cases/episode_groups

You can create groups for every year, and then you can put the episodes per year into every group.
That's the way this should be done in this case.

Thanks! Great idea about the groups. I'll update and do that :o)

Regarding the seasons... In the BBC iPlayer metadata, they do actually show episodes with season data. The problem is they aren't consistent!

For example, the last two episodes have the same episode number... "The_Big_Cases-s01e45-The_Aristocrat_the_Convict_and_the_Missing_Baby" followed by "The_Big_Cases-s01e45-The_Sycamore_Gap_-_From_Roots_to_Ruin".

Many episodes don't have an episode number, eg "The_Big_Cases-Stabbed_in_a_Sanctuary".

And some, although now I can't find an example(!), use the year for the season so would be along the lines of "The_Big_Cases-s2023e45...".

They're consistently inconsistent!

The current metadata for what's on the site is the following which as you will see, is a bit of a jumble!

The_Big_Cases-Killed_on_Duty The_Big_Cases-Killed_Walking_Home The_Big_Cases-Logan_Mwangi_A_Boy_Betrayed The_Big_Cases-My_Baby_Taken_Failed_Killed The_Big_Cases-s01e02-My_Husband_the_Monster The_Big_Cases-s01e07-Killing_My_Childrens_Abuser The_Big_Cases-s01e12-Homegrown_Terrorist The_Big_Cases-s01e15-30_Years_For_Justice The_Big_Cases-s01e23-The_Commons_Criminal The_Big_Cases-s01e24-The_Student_Who_Never_Came_Home The_Big_Cases-s01e25-Killed_In_The_Park The_Big_Cases-s01e26-Held_Captive_And_Left_To_Die The_Big_Cases-s01e27-Stabbed_After_School The_Big_Cases-s01e28-The_Nottingham_Attacks The_Big_Cases-s01e29-The_Executioner_Next_Door The_Big_Cases-s01e30-The_Dance_Floor_Murder The_Big_Cases-s01e32-Killer_In_The_Attic The_Big_Cases-s01e33-The_House_Party_Murder The_Big_Cases-s01e38-Killed_By_Kids_The_Machete_Murder The_Big_Cases-s01e39-Tortured_Behind_Closed_Doors The_Big_Cases-s01e41-The_Mistaken_Identity_Murders The_Big_Cases-s01e42-Neighbour_Friend_Killer The_Big_Cases-s01e43-The_Bus_Stop_Murder The_Big_Cases-s01e44-The_Predator_Who_Fled_to_Paradise The_Big_Cases-s01e45-The_Aristocrat_the_Convict_and_the_Missing_Baby The_Big_Cases-s01e45-The_Sycamore_Gap_-_From_Roots_to_Ruin The_Big_Cases-Stabbed_in_a_Sanctuary The_Big_Cases-The_Abuser_Working_for_MI5 The_Big_Cases-The_Doorstep_Murder The_Big_Cases-The_Doping_Ward The_Big_Cases-The_Killing_in_the_Lane The_Big_Cases-The_Lie_That_Destroyed_a_Town The_Big_Cases-The_Missing_Mum The_Big_Cases-The_Murder_of_Sabina_Nessa The_Big_Cases-The_Suitcase_Murderer The_Big_Cases-The_Sunshine_Scammer The_Big_Cases-Twenty_Minutes_Of_Terror The_Big_Cases-Unmasking_a_Fugitive The_Big_Cases-27_Years_to_Catch_a_Killer The_Big_Cases-Catching_The_Cult_Movie_Killer The_Big_Cases-Deadly_Browsing_The_Lorry_Driver The_Big_Cases-Deadly_Influence The_Big_Cases-Found_Under_the_Floor The_Big_Cases-Groomed_Radicalised_Gone The_Big_Cases-Killed_By_My_Boyfriend The_Big_Cases-Killed_on_Christmas_Eve

@Morning1 wrote:

Thanks! Great idea about the groups. I'll update and do that :o)

If you find the time to check/update everything, that would be great!

Regarding the seasons... In the BBC iPlayer metadata, they do actually show episodes with season data. The problem is they aren't consistent!

Wow, that looks... jumbly...

They're consistently inconsistent!

It doesn't really matter, because the order here on TMDb should be the order in which the episodes were released over time.
So "all" you have to do is to look up the first broadcast of each episode on the official BBC website and then check if these dates are currently correct on TMDb and in the correct order.

For example, this is the first episode:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c074gs
https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/206835-the-big-cases/season/1/episode/1/edit?active_nav_item=primary_facts&language=en-US

The data for this episode seems to be correct.

And then so on...

You can do all edits/changes on your own - except for deleting wrong episodes/backdrops/posters.
If there's something to delete, you have to ask a moderator.

Good luck!

All done. I've updated/corrected runtimes, episode order and release dates where needed.

I've also added all missing episode artwork and higher res versions where the existing was low as well as higher res posters and backdrops.

I've had a stab at the groups too if you wouldn't mind checking I've not made any stupid errors?

I've noticed that although I can added BBC News as the network, it doesn't actually save?

@Morning1 wrote:

All done. I've updated/corrected runtimes, episode order and release dates where needed.

That was fast!
I can take a look tomorrow - today my brain doesn't work anymore for that kind of stuff...

@Morning1 wrote:

All done. I've updated/corrected runtimes, episode order and release dates where needed.

I just took a first look at the show - and it turns out the weird broadcast immensely complicates adding it correctly to TMDb!
It's actually a nightmare...

The main problem:
This is a show from BBC News, the terrestrial network - original page here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c072wf

But many episodes were uploaded earlier and/or uploaded only on the streaming service, the BBC iPlayer - original website here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0c072wf/the-big-cases

Now -> the current TMDb rules determine that we have to use the original air dates from the terrestrial network - because that's the original TV broadcast.
Which means we should NOT use the air dates from the BBC iPlayer - at all.
We can only use those dates from BBC News.

However, the majority of all episodes was only released via the BBC iPlayer.
So far, only 17 episodes of all 51 ever aired on channel BBC News!
Plus another 4 episodes on BBC Two, 1 episode on BBC One, and 1 episode on BBC Scotland.
The rest of the episodes might be broadcast at a later time on BBC News - so far, they did not.

And that's not all to complicate the whole matter of adding it to TMDb!
2 episodes are currently missing on the iPlayer ("Stephen Lawrence: The Sixth Suspect" and "Trying to Kill Holly") that were probably added in the past - or not?!?

1.) The first episode ("Stephen Lawrence: The Sixth Suspect") is currently NOT listed as an episode for "The Big Cases" on BBC News:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0fwqkm8

However, it was on the iPlayer in the past, and it was listed as belonging to this show (based on the archived data, for a few weeks or a month):
https://web.archive.org/web/20230626053136/https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0fwqkm8/the-big-cases-stephen-lawrence-the-sixth-suspect

So, obviously, the official designation for this episode by the BBC changed over time...

2.) And the second episode ("Trying to Kill Holly") is currently NOT listed on the official page of the program:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0c072wf/episodes/guide

However, this episode is listed on a different sub-page for a selection of episodes on the BBC website available on iPlayer:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00275nr
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0021k3f

But - this episode is NOT available on iPlayer at the moment - it's not listed here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/p0c072wf/the-big-cases?seriesId=unsliced&page=1

Which means, in other words, that the listing on the official BBC website can be erroneous...

Conclusion

As I wrote at the beginning, it's a nightmare to add this to TMDb!

I think, based on our rules,

1.) I have to follow the air dates from NBC News's website and add all these episodes to season 1.
2.) I have to add all other episodes to a special season 0 without air dates - because they did not air so far on BBC News.
3.) I have to decide what to do with episodes that only aired on BBC Two, BBC One and BBC Scotland?
4.) I have to decide what to do with the 2 episodes "Stephen Lawrence: The Sixth Suspect" and "Trying to Kill Holly"?
5.) I can create episode groups for all kinds of different orders.

Puuuufffff - so much uncertainty.
I started changing a few things - but I have to think about this in general before continuing.

Not wanting to make matters worse for you, but the episode "The Abuser Headteacher" is also no longer listed!

@Morning1 wrote:

Not wanting to make matters worse for you, but the episode "The Abuser Headteacher" is also no longer listed!

Argh, another error on the official website...

I have a feeling that maybe if cases get appealed after transmission/iPlayer release, the BBC are compelled to remove episodes to avoid compromising things...