Since this previous report, we are waiting from an official proof from the time of the original broadcast on UPN.

Looking in the newspapers from the day of the broadcast, we have some of them that present it in 2 parts, like these ones for example:

• https://i.imgur.com/d78nerk.png
• https://i.imgur.com/KdbMdW4.png

and some of them that present it in a single part, like these ones for example:

• https://i.imgur.com/TbAEdpE.png
• https://i.imgur.com/Tfk3wyt.png

So, we aren't able to conclude.

My logic was based off of the Voyager DVDs. I'm currently going through my first watch-through and tracking the time left on the series. On the DVD itself, this particular episode is listed as a single episode just like the other longer-running Voyager episode Dark Frontier. Other two-part episodes like Workforce I and II are listed individually as Workforce I and Workforce II on the DVDs. This is what led me to the conclusion that it should be listed as a single episode, not a combined one.

If you'd like I can take some pictures of the DVDs to show it being an individual episode. It seems to me that the actual DVD product should be the deciding factor on how to split up an episode, but I'm new at this.

If we do decide to keep them as separate episodes, the runtime for Part I should be fixed - it's currently set at 84 minutes which is the runtime for both episodes.

@CeramicClaw said:

My logic was based off of the Voyager DVDs. I'm currently going through my first watch-through and tracking the time left on the series. On the DVD itself, this particular episode is listed as a single episode just like the other longer-running Voyager episode Dark Frontier. Other two-part episodes like Workforce I and II are listed individually as Workforce I and Workforce II on the DVDs. This is what led me to the conclusion that it should be listed as a single episode, not a combined one.

If you'd like I can take some pictures of the DVDs to show it being an individual episode. It seems to me that the actual DVD product should be the deciding factor on how to split up an episode, but I'm new at this.

Many series aren't release on DVD the same way they were originally broadcasted. Here, we follow the original broadcast. So, unless you have an absolute proof that it was originally broadcasted by UPN as one single episode, nothing will be changed here.

If we do decide to keep them as separate episodes, the runtime for Part I should be fixed - it's currently set at 84 minutes which is the runtime for both episodes.

This has already been fixed at the time of my previous answer.

Okay no worries. Thanks for the clarification

@superboy97 said:

Since this previous report, we are waiting from an official proof from the time of the original broadcast on UPN.

Looking in the newspapers from the day of the broadcast, we have some of them that present it in 2 parts, like these ones for example:

• https://i.imgur.com/d78nerk.png
• https://i.imgur.com/KdbMdW4.png

and some of them that present it in a single part, like these ones for example:

• https://i.imgur.com/TbAEdpE.png
• https://i.imgur.com/Tfk3wyt.png

So, we aren't able to conclude.

The Memory Alpha page for this episode confirms that the episode originally aired as a single episode, in the section labeled "Background Information", it says "This episode was originally aired as a feature-length episode. It was later broken up into two parts for reruns." - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flesh_and_Blood_(episode)

The original episode promo also confirms "two hour event" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

@mhb210 said:

The Memory Alpha page for this episode confirms that the episode originally aired as a single episode, in the section labeled "Background Information", it says "This episode was originally aired as a feature-length episode. It was later broken up into two parts for reruns." - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flesh_and_Blood_(episode)

As already indicated, we need an absolute proof from the time of the original broadcast.

The original episode promo also confirms "two hour event" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

"two hour event" doesn't indicate if its a long episode or 2 episodes back to back.

@superboy97 said:

@mhb210 said:

The Memory Alpha page for this episode confirms that the episode originally aired as a single episode, in the section labeled "Background Information", it says "This episode was originally aired as a feature-length episode. It was later broken up into two parts for reruns." - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flesh_and_Blood_(episode)

As already indicated, we need an absolute proof from the time of the original broadcast.

The original episode promo also confirms "two hour event" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

"two hour event" doesn't indicate if its a long episode or 2 episodes back to back.

No offense, but I think you're being a little unreasonable. Two hour event DOES indicate that the two episodes were aired together since a standard episode is an hour long (with commercials). Memory Alpha confirms this. IMDb also provides a runtime of 1 hour, 25 minutes (which is the length of the combined episode without commercials) - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394912/

Paramount Plus also has the episodes combined (as they originally were) - https://imgur.com/a/kQ8wpVu

This episode 100% DID air a single episode originally, just like Dark Frontier did. Why do you reject every piece of evidence provided to you?

@mhb210 said:

Two hour event DOES indicate that the two episodes were aired together since a standard episode is an hour long (with commercials).

"Two hours event" doesn't proof if they were broadcasted as a single one long episode or as 2 episodes one after the other. That just indicate that they were broadcasted in a 2 hours timeframe. It would have been different if the word "episode" were used instead of the word "event".

Paramount Plus also has the episodes combined (as they originally were) - https://imgur.com/a/kQ8wpVu

How Paramount Plus present them now is irrelevant for our listing.

Why do you reject every piece of evidence provided to you?

As indicated above, some newspapers from the day of the broadcast advertise it as 2 episodes, so we don't have an absolute evidence.

We need to find an official UPN advertisement from the time of the broadcast.

@superboy97 said:

@mhb210 said:

Two hour event DOES indicate that the two episodes were aired together since a standard episode is an hour long (with commercials).

"Two hours event" doesn't proof if they were broadcasted as a single one long episode or as 2 episodes one after the other. That just indicate that they were broadcasted in a 2 hours timeframe. It would have been different if the word "episode" were used instead of the word "event".

Paramount Plus also has the episodes combined (as they originally were) - https://imgur.com/a/kQ8wpVu

How Paramount Plus present them now is irrelevant for our listing.

Why do you reject every piece of evidence provided to you?

As indicated above, some newspapers from the day of the broadcast advertise it as 2 episodes, so we don't have an absolute evidence.

We need to find an official UPN advertisement from the time of the broadcast.

This is ridiculous. I gave you an official UPN advertisement. The promo link I provided had that information - https://imgur.com/a/pQJA1sk & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

For The Big Bang Theory, you're happy to follow the CBS list - https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/1418-the-big-bang-theory/discuss/67b90ffe9ce3986a42809923 - but reject your own standards here.

@mhb210 said:

The promo link I provided had that information - https://imgur.com/a/pQJA1sk & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

This link just indicate that this is broadcasted inside a 2 hours timeframe. This doesn't indicate if it's one 2 hours episode or two 1 hour episodes.

As indicated above, it is advertised in some newspapers from the day of the broadcast as 2 separate episodes:

• https://i.imgur.com/d78nerk.png
• https://i.imgur.com/KdbMdW4.png

@superboy97 said:

@mhb210 said:

The promo link I provided had that information - https://imgur.com/a/pQJA1sk & https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

This link just indicate that this is broadcasted inside a 2 hours timeframe. This doesn't indicate if it's one 2 hours episode or two 1 hour episodes.

As indicated above, it is advertised in some newspapers from the day of the broadcast as 2 separate episodes:

• https://i.imgur.com/d78nerk.png
• https://i.imgur.com/KdbMdW4.png

Those list the episode as "Flesh and Blood", not "Flesh and Blood, Part I" and "Flesh and Blood, Part II".

• IMDb correctly lists this as a single episode - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394912/

• The trivia section also confirms that the episode was split up later for syndication - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394912/trivia/?ref_=tt_ov_ql_3

• The original episode promo confirms it as a two hour event - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

• The official Star Trek wiki confirms it aired as a single episode and lists it as such - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flesh_and_Blood_(episode)#Background_information

• Paramount Plus' episode listing airs it in its original combined format - you accept that for one show, you should accept that for another for consistency - https://imgur.com/a/kQ8wpVu

That's far more evidence than a 25-year-old newspaper clipping.

@mhb210 said:

• IMDb correctly lists this as a single episode - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394912/

• The trivia section also confirms that the episode was split up later for syndication - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0394912/trivia/?ref_=tt_ov_ql_3

• The official Star Trek wiki confirms it aired as a single episode and lists it as such - https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Flesh_and_Blood_(episode)#Background_information

IMDB and a wiki are user edited database that doesn't prove anything.

• Paramount Plus' episode listing airs it in its original combined format

The way it is aired now is irrelevant for our listing.

• The original episode promo confirms it as a two hour event - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9iYv6OPNE

See my explanation above for the difference between "two hour event" and "two hour episode".

That's far more evidence than a 25-year-old newspaper clipping.

Documents from the day of the broadcast have much more value than anything written later.

• you accept that for one show, you should accept that for another for consistency - https://imgur.com/a/kQ8wpVu

For "The Big Bang Theory", we have an archived page of the CBS website from the time of the broadcast.

We currently don't have a similar archived page from the UPN website for "Fresh and Blood". Feel free to find one.