@raze464 said:

@JLChamberlain said:

Still nothing 😑. Can the mods at least respond to the concerns and implement a fix for these idiotic changes that satisfies YOUR USERS! The current situation isn't correct and messes with all the other services like Trakt that stupidly use TMDB.

All other database platforms are displaying the data correctly except yours!

AniDB - 46 eps total (23-24 minutes each)

TVDB - Will be listed with 46 eps (23-24 minutes each) - Splitting into 2 seasons.

MAL - 46 eps (23-24 minutes each) - MAL will split this into seasons 1 & 2 (each season being 23 episodes).

Anilist - X2 Seasons with 23 episodes each (23-24 minutes each)

Episodes need to be merged to accurately display their data regardless of your rules, if you're unwilling to do so then you need to re-evaluate your rules specifically for anime and this data is incorrect.

Those database platforms have their own rules that entries added to them have to follow, just like TMDB has its own set of rules that entries have to follow.

I used to contribute fairly often to TVDB and I can tell you right now that their entry for this anime is breaking their own rules. Their anime section just deals with OVAs and split-cour anime so it's reasonable to assume that, even though they are not "cartoons," anime with multiple segments are also subject to their Multi-Segment Episode Splitting rule, which says the following:

When a cartoon has multiple storylines in a single episode, the standard guideline for TheTVDB is to enter each story as a separate episode.

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@andresabad said:

I’ll add IMDb a serious reliable source that doesn’t split segments as different episodes. This nonsense only happens here because of the RIDICULOUS rules made for people who know NOTHING about anime series.

From the Source Reliability guidelines:

User-contributed data sources like IMDb, Wikipedia, TVDB and fan websites should only be used if there is no official information available (anymore) or to double-check information found in secondary sources.

Unbelievable that after so many negative reactions you guys keep coming up with the same arguments. Yes, we know those sites have their own rules, as well as TMDB too. What we are saying is that TMDB rules are WRONG, specifically on anime series. Applying logic, I can't tell a friend that I've seen episode 37 of Urusei Yatsura, because it doesn't EXIST and will NEVER exist. The series will be broadcast in 2 cours of 23 episodes according to the production data (do not argue the official website, because while it is true that there the episodes are divided into segments, at the time of broadcasting these air as a single episode, not as two different episodes). You are earning the anger of your users and a bad reputation simply for not considering the proper parameters for the elaboration of the database, not only of this anime, but of many others. Bottom line: Yes, TMDB has its rules, other sites do too, but TMDB's rules are INCORRECT and AFFECT the user experience here and on external sites like Trakt and Serializd.

Btw you forgot this about the TVDB rule: "This is because it's quite common for networks to release them separately, especially when broadcast in different countries."

In Urusei Yatsura, that is NOT the case. Segments are released as part of one single episode. That's why there are 23 episodes, NOT 37.

@andresabad said:

Segments are released as part of one single episode.

This is the basic definition for a show with segments. If they were initially broadcasted separately, they would not be segments.

That doesn't mean that another network, in the future, will not broadcast them separately.

@superboy97 said:

@andresabad said:

Segments are released as part of one single episode.

This is the basic definition for a show with segments. If they were initially broadcasted separately, they would not be segments.

That doesn't mean that another network, in the future, will not broadcast them separately.

They are segments but part of the same episode, how hard is that to understand? The cast does not usually vary, the characters are the same and the official network are broadcasting them as part of the same episode.

Are you guys also basing the decision on what some TV network might do in the future? It's a joke, complete nonsense.

@andresabad said:

Are you guys also basing the decision on what some TV network might do in the future?

Yes, the segmentation rule is exactly based on that.

Many of these shows have been rebroadcasted later with a different segment split.

@superboy97 said:

@andresabad said:

Are you guys also basing the decision on what some TV network might do in the future?

Yes, the segmentation rule is exactly based on that.

Many of these shows have been rebroadcasted later with a different segment split.

So, when it is convenient for you, you base your data on the broadcasts of the official TV channels, but you contradict yourselves in these cases, saying that in the future some TV channel could broadcast it separately.

You base your decisions on "possibles" and not on actual facts.

It is incomprehensible, it even seems a matter of pride, you do not want to admit the many mistakes you have here. It seems that everyone is wrong except the rules that, with arguments, many of us have shown that they are the ones that are really wrong.

@andresabad said:

They are segments but part of the same episode, how hard is that to understand? The cast does not usually vary, the characters are the same and the official network are broadcasting them as part of the same episode.

Not hard at all because that's usually how multi-segment TV shows work. Just look at Animaniacs, or Animaniacs (2020), or The Tom and Jerry Show (2014), or, Tom and Jerry in New York, or Looney Tunes Cartoons. All of them aired multiple segments as part of the same episode, and all of them have their segments split.

I don't know that many anime-specific examples since I basically never encountered them before but Tomo-chan Is a Girl!, the original Urusei Yatsura, and Chio's School Road are a just few examples of segmented anime that were split because their official websites gave multiple titles for each episode. Unlike the other anime I mentioned, AHO-GIRL's segment were not split because the official website does not split the episodes into segments and only gives a single title.

Are you guys also basing the decision on what some TV network might do in the future? It's a joke, complete nonsense.

The decision was based on rules that were already written long before my time on TMDB and that other entries already follow.

@superboy97 said:

@andresabad said:

Are you guys also basing the decision on what some TV network might do in the future?

Yes, the segmentation rule is exactly based on that.

Many of these shows have been rebroadcasted later with a different segment split.

Huh? Which one? Where? Are we talking about TV shows or anime?

Also, syndication isn't really a thing outside the US.

Man, I'm already switched to simkl. Trakt and TMDB are not fitting anymore. At least the webhook is free, syncler has simkl integrated, kodi scrobbler...

It's useless to argue apparently.

I am also moving to Simkl and TVDB. This is useless, their arguments are as ridiculous as their rules. To hell with TMDB, to hell with Trakt. Trakt just lost a subscriber thanks to you guys. Websites like this are a disgrace to those of us looking for reliable and accurate TV databases. You guys are simply NEFARIOUS.

I think the main thing missing from the segments rule is "context".

As I previously mentioned, the Beavis and Butthead change was a nuisance, but made sense - based on the content.

In the case of this show, where the first part and second part are narratively linked, it would make no sense for a network to air the segments out of order, which pretty much negates the rule you've been standing behind.

At this point, I have to wonder if there's no room for common sense or logic before these decisions are made. It seems like a person or group made that rule, and it's being treated like it's etched in Titanium.

Are these threads pointless, when it comes to discussing the rules? It feels like when a child is asking a parent for a reason why and the parent responds with "because I said so". Is there a forum somewhere to repeal or adjust this rule, or are we wasting time and effort?

@TheOneWhoKnocks said:

In the case of this show, where the first part and second part are narratively linked, it would make no sense for a network to air the segments out of order, which pretty much negates the rule you've been standing behind.

Out of order, no... But separately, why not ?

@TheOneWhoKnocks said:

I think the main thing missing from the segments rule is "context".

As I previously mentioned, the Beavis and Butthead change was a nuisance, but made sense - based on the content.

In the case of this show, where the first part and second part are narratively linked, it would make no sense for a network to air the segments out of order, which pretty much negates the rule you've been standing behind.

At this point, I have to wonder if there's no room for common sense or logic before these decisions are made. It seems like a person or group made that rule, and it's being treated like it's etched in Titanium.

Are these threads pointless, when it comes to discussing the rules? It feels like when a child is asking a parent for a reason why and the parent responds with "because I said so". Is there a forum somewhere to repeal or adjust this rule, or are we wasting time and effort?

This is what I mean. What's the point of users stating their dissatisfaction in regard to the changes if you're just going to keep trying to justify your choices. The users have clearly voiced their dissatisfaction and want the changes reversed or modified to display a similar output as prior.

@TheOneWhoKnocks makes a strong point that these need to be based on the content and the context of it. If users can overwhelmingly say the changes are more destructive than beneficial then you need to listen to your users and reverse the changes. Keep stating the rules and trying to justify the decision isn't helpful, we users don't want this change and it needs to be reversed or modified to a more agreeable structure.

@superboy97 said:

@TheOneWhoKnocks said:

In the case of this show, where the first part and second part are narratively linked, it would make no sense for a network to air the segments out of order, which pretty much negates the rule you've been standing behind.

Out of order, no... But separately, why not ?

Why not? Because it is NOT airing separately. That's how the official network broadcast this series. Are you kidding? Are we a joke for you? Your answers are absolutely ridiculous.

@andresabad said:

Why not? Because it is NOT airing separately. That's how the official network broadcast this series.

They are not airing separately NOW. But who knows in the future... This is the basis of the segmentation rule.

@superboy97 said:

@andresabad said:

Why not? Because it is NOT airing separately. That's how the official network broadcast this series.

They are not airing separately NOW. But who knows in the future... This is the basis of the segmentation rule.

That's what's WRONG about the rules. It doesn't make sense at ALL. Broadcast parameters should be based on the official network data, and not in what may happen in the future with another network. That's RIDICULOUS.