Discuss Broadchurch

I really like Broadchurch, the show which centers around a couple of police detectives in a small British town. I have some criticisms about the show which really apply to a majority of modern television shows and movies. I must use some show and I thought I would pick examples from a show I like very much.

I am watching season one again now. After the news stand man, Jack Marshall, committed suicide, the Rev. accosted Hardy at the funeral, blaming him for the man's death, saying "I told you he needed protection, and you did nothing".

I'm not sure what he expected the police department to do to prevent that suicide. The writers wanted to create tension and pressure on Alec Hardy so they had the Rev. and others put the blame on him for that death. That is pretty common stuff in TV and film these days. It would be nice to see the writers make the characters act a little more responsibly, a little more adult.

Who put out the word that the man had served time for sex with a minor? The press virtually convicted him and ridiculed him in print. Why didn't the Rev. and others blame them? Why didn't the Reverend try to protect Jack Marshall? The Reverend could have spent more time with Jack, counseling him, assessing him and trying to offer him resources.
Are the police responsible for regulating the speech of the community? Are they responsible for providing body guard services for people who might be at risk? Is the community willing to pay for those services?

The Reverend acted childishly, blaming DI Hardy for the suicide of Jack Marshall. Was that because he felt guilty over his own lack of action to assist him? Perhaps, but that puerile display of blame shifting is not what one would expect from a minister, a man meant to counsel others on the mature management of their emotions, as well as spiritual matters. Instead the writers made the Reverend an example of an emotionally unstable character. TV writers love to write characters who are emotionally labile, who seem unable to manage their own emotions or to behave as adults. I see this as a cheap trick. Sure, highly emotional displays grab our attention. But they need not be childish, irresponsible displays; it is possible for mature, responsible characters to express a lot of emotion. Sugary treats are nice every once in a while, but I don't want them as a steady diet. The banal, over-used trick of emotionally unstable characters can ruin shows.

When a man expressed his condolences to Beth Latimer in a parking lot after the death of her son, she nearly had a meltdown, with a shocked look on her face, before she turned and ran to get into her car. Beth looked almost like she was having a panic attack. Would a mother be very emotional after the death of her son? Yes, of course. But nearly every grieving mother I've ever met would have mustered up a "thank you, I have to go now" or something to that effect, even if overcome with grief.

DI Miller testified in court in season two and had a virtual meltdown on the stand. Remember that she is a seasoned detective, and knows the law very well. Detectives often must testify in court and are trained in measuring their answers and their emotions on the stand. They know the subject matter they must testify to, and department legal personnel have trained them so they know what to expect and how to respond.
But DI Miller seemed totally unprepared and on the brink of melting into jibbering tears.

Alec Hardy though is a ROCK! He can be a bit of an asshole at times, but it isn't gratuitous or for shock value. He doesn't mince words or hold back his opinions or his assessments. He is a responsible adult, mature, and straightforward. He doesn't shift blame, at all. He is at the opposite extreme from the majority of characters in television shows, some of whom are quivering jellied, weepy, basket cases. He feels emotions, the same as everyone else. But he is responsible and mature. I wish more television shows featured characters like more like Alec Hardy.

But I REALLY wish they didn't feature so many emotionally labile, blame-shifting, self-pitying, characters who far too often present themselves as victims.

(Broadchurch is really not so bad compared to most shows. As I said above, I like this show.)

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Yeah, I did notice that Arisa started getting a bit demanding in some ways after her "reboot" when she really began pursuing him as a wife. Dammit, I don't want a modern woman with modern neuroses.

She sacrificed herself by driving the bomb far away, I guess she took the lesson about not taking human lives to heart, or CPU. But in the three months later bit when we saw Mas checking over some software before Toropov's ex wife stole him away to dinner I began to wonder if perhaps Arisa had maybe uploaded her software wirelessly to a Cronos computer with plans to be regenerated so she could come back to Georgy again. If we know anything about her we know that she intended to fulfill her mission to be his mate and keep the family together, protecting the kids and pleasing her man. So if there were any possible way for her to ensure her essence survived the blast, she would make that a top priority before she was blown to smithereens.

A minute after Mas left his work and went to dinner something happened with the software he had been working on. I got the sense that it sort of clicked itself on, came to life so to speak. I don't have much of an idea about series 2 except that I am sure we have not seen the end of Arisa, or some reincarnation of her.

Ahhh - you seem to have missed a bit!! The scene after Mas left with Svetlana was that of Saronov giving a doll (very symbolic) to Brain tumour woman's daughter - and then - I think it must have been via his wrist communicator - he heard the words "Help me". That's one good thing with subtitles - sometimes they show you stuff you might have missed otherwise. So - my interpretation is that Arisa is the sister of Terminator 2 and she is capable of putting herself back together after being blown to smithereens and her brain chip has a communicator in it that she has used to contact Saronov. I reckon with the help of Brain Tumour woman "the doll" will be brought back to life and Arisa will Arise from the dead. (Somebody stop me !)

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Ahhh - you seem to have missed a bit!! The scene after Mas left with Svetlana was that of Saronov giving a doll (very symbolic) to Brain tumour woman's daughter - and then - I think it must have been via his wrist communicator - he heard the words "Help me". That's one good thing with subtitles - sometimes they show you stuff you might have missed otherwise. So - my interpretation is that Arisa is the sister of Terminator 2 and she is capable of putting herself back together after being blown to smithereens and her brain chip has a communicator in it that she has used to contact Saronov. I reckon with the help of Brain Tumour woman "the doll" will be brought back to life and Arisa will Arise from the dead. (Somebody stop me !)

I will have to go back and watch the end of that episode again. So Arisa will arise! lol. But she needs help, so who do you think will help her? Maybe first the daughter will ask the doll what it needs and get it for her. Then maybe the daughter asks her mom for 'stuff to play with' to help new Arisa assemble herself again. Then maybe mommy gets curious, figures out what is happening, and since she was so interested in this unique bot anyway, does she start helping Arisa arise? Maybe not, since both of them are interested in Saronov, and Arisa can kick her butt. Saronov probably was happy to see the end of the bot, even though Arisa saved his butt so many times. She was also the source of a lot of his problems. Sonya will go crazy with Joy if Arisa comes back of course. So I foresee lots of drama on that front.

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OK, Svetlana asks Mas if he is still tinkering with that. Then 'so much time has passed. It's obviously a waste of time'. And he says 'come on, think of it as my hobby'. As the two of them leave to go to lunch there is a close up of a piece of equipment sitting on the glass terminal. It has what looks like a metal casing partially torn and ripped open. So that leads me to think it came from the scattered remains of Arisa. And Mas has been working to try to get it in working condition again. Then we see several scenes showing the detective setting a dinner date, Gleb killing Torporov with the UAV (he was always going to die; he was an ass to his best friend, his wife, and his most trusted associate), then brain tumor girl, Saronov, and Yana with her doll.

And then we see a brief return to the glass monitor Mas had been working on, with the damaged piece of computer equipment sitting on it. It lights up, and then the monitor lights up, and we hear the computer speaking in Chinese. So this must be the piece of Arisa, and whatever Mas was doing woke it up.

Then the scene returns to Saronov, brain tumor girl, whose name is Lara, and her daughter Yana with her doll.

And the last scene shows Saronov getting an email message on his wrist (they must have some tech embedded in their arms) which says Help Me. He starts looking around, not quite understanding the message it seems.

So I think Mas woke up Arisa's tech. He must have found some memory module with her basic operating system and memories on it, damaged in the blast. And he worked on it for a couple of months and whatever he did was enough for it to function on a limited level. Having watched it again, I don't think the doll was involved. That cutaway scene to the damaged piece of tech lighting up and the Chinese voice leads me to believe that that is what emailed Saronov.

Sometimes I express myself badly !! I am sorry I sent you off on a wild goose chase !! I should have said as far as the doll given to Yana was concerned I thought it was a foreshadowing of the reappearance of another doll - namely Arisa. So often you get this kind of foreshadowing in other movies - the toy truck in the Terminator films which foreshadowed the real truck in the water channel chase (sorry I don't know what you call them) and somebody spilling red wine just prior to blood being spilled etc. Mas has definitely got an interest in resurrecting Arisa - the money and prestige would be his motive I suppose. But why would Arisa contact Saronov - he is a surgeon, not a robotics engineer. I'm guessing it's because whatever consciousness she had left still considers him to be her protectee. Another thing which has just occurred to me - when Arisa was studying that hologram and Saronovs operation notes on the son of Topolov she said she had noticed something and quite inexplicably Saronov shut her up. Did we ever find out what she noticed about the boys surgery? I miss a lot having hearing difficulty - I watch most things on mute - so I would not have known about the Chinese voice. And if that little piece of tech is key to re-activating her - how are they going to do it this time when they couldn't reverse engineer her when she was whole? I don't think that Lara would be too keen on helping to get Arisa back - women are never too keen on helping their rivals and if Arisa comes back as she was before she is hell bent on creating a family with Saronov and would be quite capable of killing Lara and lying about it. I guess that might be Series 3 !!! Anyway technically speaking the Arista bot belongs to Svetlana who inherited the company from her father so what are her feelings about it all I wonder - she is already complaining that Mas spends too much time in the lab - would she be happy if that time was spent rebuilding Arisa - methinks not - or should that be Ithinks (ha ha)

I would guess she sent the message to Saronov because she always wants to talk to "Georgy" and he is the first person she thinks of. Maybe. When she started to bring up the procedure he did on the Torpolov boy he stopped her because he didn't want to think or talk about his failure to save the boy, at least that was my take on it. But she might have wanted to discuss something about some way of doing it which could have saved the boy. She can read our emotions, but doesn't necessarily understand what causes us emotional pain. She has to learn that. I am guessing whatever she learned from studying that case helped her to successfully treat Lara, another case with very long odds. That is my best guess. They did kind of leave that hanging.

I'm sure the writers will toss around a few tech terms, and use the explosion also to explain how they are able to create more Arisas, if they do that. Or, if they only reconstitute her, then they basically already have her operating system and memory module (assuming that's what it is). All they have to do is install it in a new body. But her old body had advanced self healing qualities, so what will they do to replace that? Maybe the protege in China can help supply them with some of that tech.

And I was think Lara might not want her back also. Of course Arisa had learned not to kill people after learning how the Saronovs felt about it, and she stuck to non lethal techniques thereafter. On the other hand, she was evolving after her reboot, becoming more intimately bonded to Georgy, and seemed a bit more emotional. So you have to wonder how that might develop. What would she do if she perceived another woman threatening her relationship with him?

I can just imagine Arisa talking to Lara saying "Look BITCH! I already told you that Georgy is MINE. So unless you want me to do a different kind of operation on your brain, you'd better Back OFF!" And Lara might pull out her laptop and start writing some kind of virus and say "Yeah? Say that again!" And Arisa would start blubbering " be duh be duh be duh" or something.

I am getting a little silly.

I can just imagine that !! The next series will be interesting - I wonder how it will all develop - will it be like our imaginings or have they got something up their sleeves entirely different? The series turned out better than I thought it would so I would watch Series 2. Maybe they will focus more on Mas and Svetlana - will they have a natural child that will cure her neuroses - or will she be barren and insist on Mas making her another toy boy instead of working on Arisa. The possibilities are endless. Is Bars still in prison by the way - or did they let him out?

The last we saw Bars he was still in prison and he was set to be there for life. The only deal he could make was to help his sister. But he is a character I imagine they will recycle at some point. He means too much to Jeanne, and he has already cheated death. They have invested a lot in him. He has major flaws, but has also shown himself to have some good qualities. They may kill him off eventually, but I expect they will get him out of prison and into the plot once again. My guess is they will bring him back, maybe rehabilitate him somewhat, or he might find some other cause to promote.

And I don't think Mas will be making another toy boy. If Svetlana was still so broken that she needed one she would have hounded him to work on that instead of that piece of Arisa. Of course, she could relapse at some point. But the way they ended the season with her so well adjusted and happy, I doubt she will. I think Mas and Svetlana will have about as much in the next season as Toropov (I keep misspelling that name Torpolov) did in the first, maybe a bit more since they have the tech for Arisa. It will focus on her of course, and her mission to serve her family. Will power corrupt Mas and Svetlana? Will she turn into a Queen B when Arisa leaves to chase after her Georgy, whom she hates? Though she may be over the toy boy situation, she still blames Saronov for failing to save her son. With all her power, what will she attempt to do to Saronov once Arisa abandons Cronos to be with him? Mas, being her faithful puppy dog will do what she asks of him. They could be dangerous.

Yes, I like this show.

I wonder when series 2 will air. It was a lot better than I expected. The way they have developed the characters leaves them with a lot more stories to tell. "Peaky Blinders" is airing over here on BBC in a fortnight I think. I hope Netflix or Amazon gets some new arrivals that we can both watch soon.

I started watching Criminal Minds, which I never saw. It has 12 seasons so I can work on that for a long time, in between other shows. They sure do have a nice jet for a law enforcement agency

I watched Criminal Minds for years - I can't remember why I stopped - I think it was probably a cast change - you get used to people I suppose and it's hard to accept new cast members - especially if you are like me and you take likes and dislikes to people!! I watched NCIS for years - right up until Cote de Pablo left - I wasn't keen on her replacement but I sort of got used to her - she didn't have the same vibrant personality as Cote. Then when Michael Weatherly left I really didn't like the new guy. I haven't seen it for ages now - I think there is only about three original cast members left. The stories were stronger in the beginning too. Mandy Patinkin was in Criminal Minds at the beginning - he said he got fed up of the violence in it and then beggared off to "Homeland" which of course isn't violent at all !! Oh well - I am going to watch Red now - he is on the death gurney (?) awaiting the lethal dose. I simply don't understand that method of execution - why such a fuss and performance - why not use the same methods doctors use to kill off old people in hospital - a overdose of morphine and you're quietly gone - no fuss - no trouble. It was Harold Shipman's preferred method of murder for years. They say that Epstein was trying to hide money days before he died - where? in his coffin? It's not the actions of a man who planned to die is it?

The medical examiner listed pending as cause of death for a while, and later changed it to suicide. I imagine they were pressured to do so. Epstein's attorneys are not buying it, nor is any honest person with average intelligence and common sense. Some jail employees have refused to cooperate in the investigation. They claim he tied sheets to the bed-frame and then leaned away from it. Problems: 1- that wouldn't break the hyoid bone, it takes a big drop, and 2-, once he lost consciousness he wouldn't be able to maintain the pressure needed to restrict blood flow. So even the explanation of the method doesn't make sense. And as you pointed out, his behavior doesn't support the idea of suicide. There is an effort currently to portray him as depressed, which would be understandable. They say he spent up to 12 hours per day conferring with his lawyers so he wouldn't have to spend time in his cell because it was so depressing. Well I wonder how true any of that really is. It just seems like a story concocted to support the cover story of suicide. Everyone knows he was murdered by the deep state to protect the powerful people he might have named if he cooperated for a lighter sentence.

I hated it when Cote left NCIS, and then later they had her die in a fire set by enemies of Israel's Mossad, and thus made her exit final. I stopped watching as much at that point. I have seen a few episodes since Weatherly left the show. The Latin guy they brought in is alright but I really lost interest after Ziva left the show and never could get excited about it after that. I had already started to get tired of the worn out schticks they used in the show, Tony giving Tim a hard time, assistant medical examiner Jimmy Palmer dropping faux paus and stuttering in embarrassment, and Abby crying out Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs Gibbs! I guess there is something to be said for sticking to a winning formula, but only to a point. I thought it took far too long for McGee to develop any self confidence, and to learn how to shoot his pistol. He is an active agent, not a civilian employee, so he had to have qualified in safe and efficient gun handling, accurate shooting, tactical awareness, and so on.

The characters were either grizzled, tough, agents, or quirky, super smart, nerdy, socially retarded or very weird, tech and science wizards. That was fine for the first three years or so, but I thought they refused to let them grow for too long. How long could it really take for Jimmy Palmer to stop embarrassing himself with feeble attempts at humor?

The Blacklist has worn out some plot devices as well. Lizzie gave up Red to keep him from interfering in her quest to learn more about him and about her childhood. But how many times has Red, whomever he is, literally traded his life for her safety, spent vast sums of money to protect her, passed on making even more money than he had at his most wealthy in order to protect her, etc.? Yet Lizzie predictably cycles through two polar extremes. Sometimes she feels tremendous gratitude toward Red, and sees clearly that he does whatever he can to keep her safe, no matter the cost. And later she flips and sees him as the devil. Often this change is triggered by something really benign. Red refuses to reveal something to her saying it is personal or something, and Lizzie melts down, claiming that if he isn't totally candid and forthcoming with her, if he won't answer all her questions, then he is lying to her. She acts as though she has been terribly betrayed and injured. This has happened so many times it is absurd. When things are going good between them, you know it is just a matter of time before she once again forgets his self-sacrificing love for her and seethes with an increasing cascade of hatred for him. It might not bother me so much if she had some actual reason to be upset. Honestly, she acts as if she has multiple personality disorder. She seems mentally ill and dangerous. I still like the show, but I cannot stand how stupid Lizzie acts.

As far as lethal injections I guess they use the drugs they do presently in order to rapidly, and with great certainty, achieve the death of the condemned person. I think if I were getting the needle I would prefer to have a potent narcotic in the mix, just in case there is some pain associated with the current mix. How would we know if there is? We can't exactly ask them how it was for them.

I think they use a barbiturate to cause loss of consciousness, then a neuro-muscular blocker to paralyze the muscles so the person cannot breathe, and finally potassium chloride to stop the heart, a forced heart attack. I know that heart attacks can cause pain, so I would want that narcotic on board just to be sure I didn't feel any pain. I know that pain disturbs sleep, so on some level it can be felt even when you're unconscious. Of course, I don't plan on doing anything illegal, so unless I were wrongly convicted of something I guess it's a moot point.

The potential problems with simply using a narcotic overdose that I see are these: if the person has not been taking narcotics, they would be more susceptible to the side effects, one of which is nausea. It would be bad if the prisoner began to vomit during the execution, alarming any family members watching. It would raise cries of an unusual or cruel form of punishment. Also, it takes much longer for someone to die from a narcotic overdose than the current injection mix. --They could precede the narcotic with an anti-nausea drug to prevent the risk of vomiting (and aspirating the acidic vomit into the lungs), but it would still take a longer time to die. And that might still cause objections from death penalty opponents who could claim that the process is not reliable or quick. It would be a specious argument, but they could make it.

The best solution would be to add the anti nausea drug and the narcotic prior to the current mixture of meds, or concurrent with the barbiturate.

I see Texas has just executed a guy who swears he was innocent - I suppose they all do - but I would have liked a more in depth article about the proof they had. The victim apparently had DNA under her fingernails which couldn't be linked to him. I also watched a Medical Detectives program tonight about a killing in Wilmington - North Carolina. I can never understand when watching this type of program how lax people in America seem to be with home security. A woman comes home from work - its warm - so she opens a ground floor kitchen window and goes to sleep !! Three teenagers do exactly the same thing. All are murdered. And this seems to be the norm - especially in rural areas where people never lock their doors it seems. Is this true? It gives me nightmares - I would no more leave a downstairs window open day or night than I would fly in the air. I am having a new front door fitted in the next couple of weeks because my current one has small glass panes in it and I no longer feel safe with it. I am having stronger garden doors fitted also. The world is getting more and more violent and you have to protect yourself in every way that you can. About the "Blacklist" - has Red told Liz his secret yet? I think I missed a couple of episodes. She seems very lovey dovey and relieved he is alive at the moment - I do so hope she doesn't revert to wounded and vengeful again. I think this is the last series, sadly, so she probably wont. It is so glaringly obvious what happened to Epstein - but the powers that be know that nobody can do anything about it so they just brazenly lie until it all goes away. I agree with your assessment of NCIS - the chemistry between Ziva and Tony was entertaining. There seems to be a fashion for "kooky" female techs - you will be watching one now in "Criminal Minds". Do you get any Australian programs on your tv channels over there? I am watching one called "Harrow" (Ioan Gruffuth - yes I know - so proud to be Welsh but doesn't live here) as a forensic pathologist in Australia. It's pretty lightweight but passes an hour. I was looking at Netflix and I saw a series called "Orphan Black" it has quite mixed opinions - some love it some hate it. I am not sure what to think. Have you seen it?

I just read an article about the execution in Texas. The prosecutor and the victim's family are quoted saying they are certain of his guilt. But the DNA evidence under her nails doesn't sit well with me. Also, the article failed to report much of evidence pointing to his guilt. A pack of cigarettes of the brand smoked by the dead girl was found in his trailer. A pair of pantyhose missing one leg found in his trash is mentioned, but the significance of that evidence was not explained. That is all pretty weak evidence. I sure hope there was more than just that. I am sorry to say that I believe sometimes our justice system is corrupt. Sometimes prosecutors may withhold exculpatory evidence, or contradictory evidence. That kind of malpractice has been discovered at times. Prosecutors seem unduly motivated by getting high conviction rates so they can run for office. I am sure that sometimes someone who has gotten away with murder in the past gets framed for something just to get a bad person off the streets. I can see how that might seem justifiable, and if I had been victimized by them, I would not lose sleep over it. But I shudder to think of a truly innocent person dying through either error or a desire for another conviction. Like you I wish I knew more about the evidence in that case.

I grew up not being worried about the door being locked. Even today I often sleep with windows open for the night breeze. Of course, it is just me here, and people are far less likely to bother me. If they know me they know I am armed and can shoot. Yes, they could kill me as I slept, but why should they take the chance I might wake up, or be awake when they enter? They don't want to risk dying. Contrary to popular opinion, the jurisdictions where people are legally allowed to go armed are very safe. Criminals will travel to commit crimes in states where citizens are prohibited from being armed. In this city I have never felt endangered or worried much about break-ins or assaults. The crime rate is low here. What crime there is is generally confined to certain neighborhoods where poor people live. In rural areas I guess it depends on the area. If the house is very isolated, the people I know are likely to lock up at night. The courts usually side with a homeowner who kills a burglar or someone else who breaks into their home. When I lived in Miami I always made sure to lock my door. One of my best friends shot and killed three men who rushed into his trailer with guns drawn in the middle of the day several years ago. They were illegal aliens who had just robbed a series of restaurants. The cops figured they meant to take his van and kill him. They would have wanted to change vehicles. They made a huge mistake. My friend had seen plenty of action and was used to winning gunfights. This happened in Miami. He actually shot them with a revolver of mine. I showed it to him one day. He liked it and I told him to hold on to it. He later got one of his own just like it. But he killed three men with mine before that. You are right to be concerned and to take the precaution of installing a stronger door. I would use three inch screws to attach the plate which the door locks up with. Those small screws which are standard for those things are just too easy to knock loose.

Yes Lizzie eventually discovered who her grandfather was and went to see him. He then told her the story of who Red really is. She found out he was a very close friend of her mother and had helped her to avoid capture by the KGB and the Americans. I believe there is another season coming up for Blacklist, which I think they need in order to finish answering tying up a loose end or two. Mainly, what happened to Katarina all those years? Why was Red drugged and kidnapped in Paris? Will Lizzie finally learn about her mother?

I have never heard of Harrow. I will look for it. I probably don't get as many Aussie shows as you do. As you know I watch Glitch on netflix.

I just binged through the first couple of seasons of Broadchurch again. They really did a good job with this show.

Please be careful - the world is a dangerous place even if you are armed. People on drugs don't make rational decisions when they are looking for cash to buy more. A young couple and their dog were killed by a Venezuelan gang member who thought they were dealing drugs but actually they got the wrong address. That Texas man who was executed - they are not publishing any real details of the prosecution case - I am uneasy about it. He seems to have had a bad reputation for violence against women and that seems to be the justification- but that is a slippery slope to go down - people should be punished for the crime they are accused of not their past reputation. The same thing happened here I believe with the Clydach murders (I have probably mentioned this so I wont go through it all again) point I am making is that he too had a reputation as a violent thug but I do not believe he is guilty of the murder of 4 human beings - two of them children. So when did Liz find out about Red - was it before she betrayed him and nearly had him killed or after? And that was a pretty tame secret to keep all those years - Oh Liz - it is only fair for you to know - he shouldn't have kept it from you - he was your mother's FRIEND. Have we learned about what happened in the fire yet and what happened to the real Red? And why would he kill Liz's "father" to prevent him from telling Liz something so trivial? I was expecting something explosive and instead we get a little pop. Disappointing.

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