@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

Aha! I knew someone would remember some Sheldonian deception!

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

So THAT'S why Kripke won the Nobel!

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

I believe it was even explained in that "Kripke is smarter" episode that Sheldon just hadn't been working in that area for as long as Kripke had been.

@Knixon said:

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

So THAT'S why Kripke won the Nobel!

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

I believe it was even explained in that "Kripke is smarter" episode that Sheldon just hadn't been working in that area for as long as Kripke had been.

Did Sheldon have to be smarter than Kripke to win the Nobel? Don't forget he did have to share it with Amy. Mathematically that would make him half as smart.

@Knixon said:

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

So THAT'S why Kripke won the Nobel!

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

I believe it was even explained in that "Kripke is smarter" episode that Sheldon just hadn't been working in that area for as long as Kripke had been.

Knixon, now you're just tryin' to distract from the fact that Tim found an instance of Sheldon being deceptive. Don't matter which one of them was really smarter.

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Tim-Buktu said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

@Knixon said:

Some of it also seems to get to Sheldon having a "photographic" (eidetic) memory or not. Seems like he had it whenever it was needed for a particular joke, and if the next joke required that he NOT have it, then suddenly he didn't. But for someone with that kind of memory, how does he get to be an "unreliable narrator?"

And no, it's not a valid excuse that he was just so young. Aside from issues such as his father being a drunk and dying when Sheldon was a certain age, which aren't open to much flexibility, we're actually shown in Young Seldon that he remembered Meemaw's secret recipe for brisket that she told him, perhaps even before he was able to talk.

I believe that Sheldon had an eidetic memory. My comment above about his opinions or agendas affecting his retelling of stories wasn't me saying that he would not remember them correctly. I just meant he might purposely alter the truth to make the story favor him or create some sort of desired outcome in the minds of the listener.

Perhaps. But Sheldon also prides himself on being an accurate producer of facts.

I will agree with you on this as well the more I think about it. Sheldon tried to lie about the broken Spock transporter thingy and he just couldn't do it.

That might be a good thread topic though. Did Sheldon ever lie (and not recant it)?

As well as the various times he tried to go along with a deception and wound up blowing the whole thing even after trying to come up with meticulous plans.

Sheldon will bend the truth for his own benefit

When it was proven that Kripke was in fact smarter than Sheldon. And Kripke thought it was because Sheldon was...intimate with Amy. Sheldon allowed him to believe it. Clearly allowing false "facts" to be believed.

So THAT'S why Kripke won the Nobel!

Oh wait, that didn't happen.

I believe it was even explained in that "Kripke is smarter" episode that Sheldon just hadn't been working in that area for as long as Kripke had been.

Did Sheldon have to be smarter than Kripke to win the Nobel? Don't forget he did have to share it with Amy. Mathematically that would make him half as smart.

Since Kripke didn't win at all, there's no way to evaluate that equation.

As the showrunner, Steve Holland, of "Young Sheldon" has said: 'Sheldon Cooper indeed is a pathological liar', so you should not believe anything he said in TBBT about his family or childhood unless it is confirmed in the prequel.

@wonder2wonder said:

As the showrunner, Steve Holland, of "Young Sheldon" has said: 'Sheldon Cooper indeed is a pathological liar', so you should not believe anything he said in TBBT about his family or childhood unless it is confirmed in the prequel.

Yikes! I'm not so sure I'm too crazy about that. I mean, so we've pointed out that sometimes he can go along with a bit of deception... but a pathological liar? Especially about his father's infidelities, heavy drinking and death as confirmed by his mother? Hmm...

Sounds like something convenient for the showrunner to say so they can do whatever they want in this new series.

@Lemons🌻 said:

@wonder2wonder said:

As the showrunner, Steve Holland, of "Young Sheldon" has said: 'Sheldon Cooper indeed is a pathological liar', so you should not believe anything he said in TBBT about his family or childhood unless it is confirmed in the prequel.

Yikes! I'm not so sure I'm too crazy about that. I mean, so we've pointed out that sometimes he can go along with a bit of deception... but a pathological liar? Especially about his father's infidelities, heavy drinking and death as confirmed by his mother? Hmm...

Sounds like something convenient for the showrunner to say so they can do whatever they want in this new series.

Maybe not a pathological liar, but he seems incapable of seeing a world in which he is wrong...about anything.

Sheldon does seem to be a bit embarrassed about his down home spun roots. Everyone in Texas was dumb as a box of rocks according to his Star Wars fanfiction when he asks Spock to take him away. And let's not forget they he doesn't know the difference between a snowy tree cricket and a common field cricket although he will insist that he does until proven wrong. Or when Priya found a loophole in the roommate agreement

Well I think I'm going to have to leave it at this, in part because it's close to my bedtime. I consider the Big Bang Theory to be canon and I don't like a new show coming along and calling one of the original characters a pathological liar so that they can rewrite history. Poopyheads.

I shall now stomp my feet, refuse to ever watch Young Sheldon unless I get extremely bored which is entirely possible, and go to sleep.

My husband doesn't call me Sheldonette for nothing.

@Lemons🌻 said:

@wonder2wonder said:

As the showrunner, Steve Holland, of "Young Sheldon" has said: 'Sheldon Cooper indeed is a pathological liar', so you should not believe anything he said in TBBT about his family or childhood unless it is confirmed in the prequel.

Yikes! I'm not so sure I'm too crazy about that. I mean, so we've pointed out that sometimes he can go along with a bit of deception... but a pathological liar? Especially about his father's infidelities, heavy drinking and death as confirmed by his mother? Hmm...

Sounds like something convenient for the showrunner to say so they can do whatever they want in this new series.

Indeed.

@znexyish said:

Sheldon does seem to be a bit embarrassed about his down home spun roots. Everyone in Texas was dumb as a box of rocks according to his Star Wars fanfiction when he asks Spock to take him away. And let's not forget they he doesn't know the difference between a snowy tree cricket and a common field cricket although he will insist that he does until proven wrong. Or when Priya found a loophole in the roommate agreement

Sounds like ample reason for Sheldon to make up stories where his childhood was BETTER than it really was, not WORSE.