What are your thoughts on this, wonder2wonder?

Raj said some pretty derogatory things about India to begin with. He called it hot, smelly, and overcrowded. I think the only thing he liked about it was the cricket matches. But sure take down a show that's been off here for years.

@Lemons🌻 said:

What are your thoughts on this, wonder2wonder?

Leave the original TBBT alone. If they want to, they can censor the sequel/reboot/next spinoff.

There was a young gentleman on the Imdb board from India who I considered a friend. I can't help but to wonder what he might have thought about this.

So why wait 15 years to complain? The episode first aired in September of 2008!

@Lemons🌻 said:

There was a young gentleman on the Imdb board from India who I considered a friend. I can't help but to wonder what he might have thought about this.

Nowadays any comedy is scrutinized for its content and censored if fun is made of people, their culture, religion, intelligence, sexuality, behaviour, and so on.

Many are offended by TBBT because of its perceived misogyny, bigotry, sexism, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, depiction of autism, etc., and they were glad when it ended.

... Excerpt from The Big Bang Theory Needs to End:

Look, I know most people turn to television as a way to unwind and relax. People want to be able to turn their brains off and mindlessly enjoy some half hour comedy show. I really get that, and we all need mental breaks, so I don’t blame anyone for that. But, in my opinion (obviously), there are multiple comedy shows where the harmful and/or toxic content outweighs any potential enjoyment, that I can’t understand why anyone would willingly sit through an episode. The Big Bang Theory is one of the first examples that comes to mind when I think of incredibly harmful and mainstream pop culture.

To start a bit personally, I’m a Jew who watches a truly obnoxious amount of film and TV. Over the past decade or so, as I’ve become more aware of anti-semitism and Jewish representation, I’ve realized that there aren’t all that many canon Jewish characters in media. There are even less Jewish characters who receive more than a quick mention of their Jewishness, and/or who are actually portrayed by Jewish actors. While I’d normally praise a piece of media that has a Jewish character portrayed by a Jewish actor, Howard’s horrid characterization keeps me from even viewing that positively. As far as I know (as someone who tries to avoid the show as much as possible), Howard and his mother are the only two canon Jewish characters (and while both Mayim Bialik and Melissa Rauch are Jewish, Amy is never explicitly mentioned to be Jewish and Bernadette is explicitly not Jewish). Howard is undeniably Jewish, as he talks about keeping kosher (or his lack thereof), needing to find a nice Jewish girl to please his mom, and frequently using Yiddish words or phrases. We never see Howard’s mother and she’s constantly the butt of the joke. All the audience knows about her is that she’s fat (which is constantly brought up for mocking), loud, overbearing, and loves to guilt-trip her son. For those who are unaware, Howard’s mom checks pretty much every box on the list for the stereotypical Jewish mother, but then again, these traits aren’t contained to Jewish stereotypes. Although I wouldn’t exactly argue that Howard’s characterization is stereotypical, I find it repulsive that he is the pervert of the group; and I can’t find the right words to describe it, but I feel like he’s written in a way that ties his disgusting misogyny to his Jewishness (especially since the writers constantly and explicitly bring up his Jewishness). Almost every scene of Howard’s in the earlier seasons show him harassing or being invasive towards women. I know that these behaviors have lessened since Howard and Bernadette’s marriage; but most of his scenes with Bernadette are still dripping with his misogyny, as he expects her to take care of him and tends to treat her subserviently.

Obviously, the misogyny doesn’t stop with Howard’s uncomfortable behavior, though. All four of the guys are obsessed with attaining hegemonic masculinity. The narrative basically tells the audience that women only exist for men’s sexual/romantic attention or to be ridiculed. While Raj struggles to talk to women sober because of anxiety, he tends to harass women when he’s drunk, and in one scene, he even publicly exposes himself on a blind date. Raj is also overprotective of his slightly younger sister and tries to forbid her from entering a relationship with Leonard. Leonard is the show’s Nice Guy™, as he’s a “sweetheart” that never actively participates in such harassment; but he rarely appears to have an issue with his friends’ behavior and never tries to stop them. Leonard also seemingly thinks he deserves Penny, refuses to accept her repeated rejections, and after they get serious, even the show makes a joke about how he eventually “wore her down”. Sheldon, while an asshole to everyone, clearly has a gendered bias. He belittles women and often downplays their opinions or achievements (such as when he insists Amy’s work is inferior to his), and even in one episode, repeatedly assumes women’s anger (no matter how rightfully it’s felt) is due to a woman menstruating.

@wonder2wonder said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

There was a young gentleman on the Imdb board from India who I considered a friend. I can't help but to wonder what he might have thought about this.

Nowadays any comedy is scrutinized for its content and censored if fun is made of people, their culture, religion, intelligence, sexuality, behaviour, and so on.

Many are offended by TBBT because of its perceived misogyny, bigotry, sexism, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, depiction of autism, etc., and they were glad when it ended.

Not to stray too far from the original topic of this thread but...are you by chance my pal from IMDb?

@NeoLosman said:

He's got no grounds to sue here in The States. Last anyone checked, The First Amendment is still going strong, even if the culture of free speech is in sad shape

TBBT and other 'old' comedy shows have made fun of so many groups - people and their culture - including Santa Claus, the smurfs, AI, and also animals and insects, that almost anyone - who could feel offended - would sue, if that was possible. What can happen is that certain episodes will be edited or not be aired at all. Perhaps one day Chuck Lorre will follow in Marta Kauffman's footsteps and apologise.

@wonder2wonder said:

@NeoLosman said:

He's got no grounds to sue here in The States. Last anyone checked, The First Amendment is still going strong, even if the culture of free speech is in sad shape

TBBT and other 'old' comedy shows have made fun of so many groups - people and their culture - including Santa Claus, the smurfs, AI, and also animals and insects, that almost anyone - who could feel offended - would sue, if that was possible. What can happen is that certain episodes will be edited or not be aired at all. Perhaps one day Chuck Lorre will follow in *Marta Kauffman's footsteps and apologise. *

Did she apologize for creating Friends?

We as a people need to stop being offended by every little thing! If you do not like a TV show or a movie DO NOT WATCH IT! There is plenty of benign crap out there for people that are easily offended.

Tmdb does not have a private message function does it?

@Lemons🌻 said:

Tmdb does not have a private message function does it?

Nope, not for the unwashed masses. But there is one for the mods.

@bratface said:

@Lemons🌻 said:

Tmdb does not have a private message function does it?

Nope, not for the unwashed masses. But there is one for the mods.

Okay thanks! I knew there wasn't one originally and saw no evidence that that had changed but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.

I'll be quiet now and let y'all get back on topic. 😁