Next episode we get Leonard , Raj and Howard stalking Bill gates. I'm predicting he gets a restraining order against them and they are no longer allowed anywhere near Penny's job.
Also Penny will do so well hosting Bill Gates at the company her bosses will start talking about her being potential corporate material. Penny competing to move up against Bernadette could be a focus in coming seasons.
Could that put a strain on their relationship?
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Reply by wonder2wonder
on March 20, 2018 at 3:23 PM
It's surprising how Penny, having barely finished high school, manages to become so successful and earn more than Leonard.
If she starts competing with (PhD) Bernadette and surpasses her too, what does that say about all those academic degrees these guys and girls have? They studied for years, they never belonged to the popular crowd and didn't have much "go crazy" fun, and then someone like Penny comes along and she goes from actress/waitress to the top.
They are all probably still in debt from their student loans too, while Penny, well she might also be in debt, but that's for shopping and partying .
Fortunately, it's not all about money for these scientists.

Reply by znexyish
on March 20, 2018 at 6:03 PM
I think the restraining order jokes might have gone their course and they only applied to Sheldon I believe. A girl fight with Bernie and Penny ? Oh my, Move over Alicia !
Reply by Knixon
on March 20, 2018 at 6:07 PM
Of course, Penny wouldn't have gotten to where she is, without the influence of Leonard and the others who made her into a rather different person than she was when she was just waitressing. Yes, Bernadette worked at the Cheesecake Factory too, early on. But does anyone think Bernadette would have gone out of her way to get Penny that job, if not for Leonard and the others?
Reply by CalabrianQueen
on March 21, 2018 at 9:17 AM
Well, earning potential doesn't have much to do with what degree(s) you have anymore.
The Kardashians probably make more money than any PHD working today because they tapped into markets that pay better: reality TV, fashion , social media.
A lot of people believe college is largely is a scam and many undergrad degree programs are basically a rehash of late high school courses that you get charged thousands of dollars for just to rack up crippling debt without payoff.
I'd say the exceptions are the highly in demand STEM programs like chemical engineering, computer science, biochemistry etc.
Reply by censorshipsucks06
on March 21, 2018 at 10:47 AM
If Penny is good at her job, that matters more than a degree. Even in today's world. Results matter. How do I know? I didn't finish college, but after working at different places, ended up at EDS. They initially scoffed at me when I, after one month on the job, applied for a management position. One month later they came to ME and offered it to me. In less than a year I had a department of 100+ working for me, including Engineers (who openly despised me as I was promoted over all of them).
I had the same thing happen at my next company - and within 2 years was in meetings, at the request of the CEO, that were attended only by other company Presidents and CEOs.
I was on a similar path at another Fortune 500 company.
I'm retired and pick and choose side projects I want to work on. All this with nothing more than a high school education, and not good grades to boot.
Now, college degrees will certainly help you get in the door. But it's my experience that RESULTS trump education - nearly every time. And that was my experience at company after company. Now, as CalabrianQueen stated, careers that demand on hand specialized training, as she mentioned - chemical engineering, computer science, biochemistry etc, yes, you need that degree and education. And you can't practice law or become a medical doctor without completing the educational requirements. But Penny is essentially in sales. Is it a stretch she learned what a lot of those medications and drugs are that she pushes? Not really. Sales is sales. I'm sure the company she works for provides her with the background and answers to potential questions for the drug she is pushing at any given time.
Some of the worst employees I've had were the ones with college educations. And don't get me started on college interns. Today, college is a business first, place of higher learning second. The students rule the roost. I have a very good friend who's a professor at the University of Michigan. Also teaches at a smaller university. Her experiences about the expectations of students, and how the University goes out of it's way to cater to students - even when they cheat, lie, miss classes, etc... is quite frankly unbelievable. Not much stuns me, but her experiences had my jaw on the ground.
I just remember all the people who bashed the fact that Penny could be doing what she's doing back on IMDB. I'm here to tell you, it's not that unrealistic.
My final example? One of the people I hired back in the 1990's was a stripper. Yes, a stripper. I personally interviewed her, and she knocked my socks off (and yes, that's all she knocked off). She was a single mom, and she was doing that for the money, but knew it wouldn't last. Even I was hesitant at first, and told her any issues, any lack of production, and she'd be gone. A year later, I promoted her. She was one of the hardest working women I've ever met, and she produced results. She was trustworthy, and professional. Two other unit managers told me I was nuts, but admitted later that she was out performing nearly everyone else. So I don't have any issues believing that Penny can succeed at what she's doing. Remember, Bernadette worked at the Cheesecake Factory too. Yes - she had a degree, but she needed one for microbiological research. Penny got her foot in the door with Bernie's recommendation. And yes, most people in pharma sales have degrees. But if someone like Bernie pushes it through, the requirement for a college degree can be easily waved. I know that from my experiences, both on being hired without one (multiple times), and because I hired people without one for positions that 'required' a degree.
Reply by Knixon
on March 21, 2018 at 7:14 PM
My experiences were similar, although I selected smaller companies to work or later consult for, because I simply didn't want to work that hard. (One of the reasons I went with computers to start with was so I could make THEM do most of the work. My own version of "Working smarter, not harder." I also detest repetitious work in general. I prefer to write a program ONCE, and then the COMPUTER does the same thing over and over, perhaps MILLIONS of time. As God intended.) And by doing it well, I made other peoples' jobs much easier and more pleasant for them. That's something I don't think you get to experience in a lot of other types of work. At least not as directly.
I encountered a lot of people with degrees, including people with degrees in computer science who couldn't program their way out of a paper bag. Nor could they somehow bring themselves to look in the back of a laser printer's manual to see how to use the line-drawing commands, for example. They would just say, "It's impossible."
One of my favorite quotes or aphorisms or whatever, is from Dr Charles Krauthammer who says basically "The nice thing about having a degree from Harvard is never again feeling impressed by someone with a degree from Harvard."
Reply by CalabrianQueen
on March 22, 2018 at 7:18 AM
Totally agree with one change. Instead of saying College is a business first, I'd say it's a business, period . They cater to those who pay big money, people from wealthy families, not the average student who can barely afford tuition.
And like you said, sales is a different animal . It requires a an intangible set of social skills that can only be learned through trial and error, and psychology of persuasion.
And Always Be Closing , but maybe I watched Glengarry Glen Ross a few too many times.
Reply by censorshipsucks06
on March 22, 2018 at 10:41 AM
I would tend to agree with your change.
Also, the bigger the university, the more big-headed the students. In 1984, while attending a community college and working a side job, I was dating a girl who attended the University of Michigan. Now, both of my folks got under-grads from a MAC school, and Masters at U of M. I had thoughts of going there, but as my Mom said, my "Good Time Charlie" outlook on high school cost me because of my grades. Nonetheless, that fall I went up to see my girlfriend (sounds so weird to use that term). We met up with several others, and over drinks and cigarettes, we were having a really good political discussion. Up until one of them asked what class I was in, and I told them I didn't go there, that I was attending a community college. Like total Sheldon's, they looked at me with disdain, as if I had crawled out of a sewer, and immediately attempted to cut me out of the discussion. Then one actually had the nerve to say "we don't really care what a community college student thinks...". To which I said "Just because Mommy and Daddy sent you here with THEIR money does not in the least make you smarter than anyone - least of all - me!". Then I stormed out before I really lost my temper. After that, my opinion of spending 4 years with idiots like that fell even further.
It's my opinion, there is a LOT of unrealized potential and talent out there. The best poets, engineers, athletes, we likely don't know who they are. Because they are stuck in situations they can't get out of. Which is why I tried to NEVER judge someone based solely on a degree. And yes, in a hurry, and in a bind, I didn't always live up to that. It's easy to toss resumes aside because they don't meet a preset list of conditions. But that's sometimes how the cream of the crop don't rise to the top. Because they are never poured into the cup in the first place.
Lastly, there's no such thing as watching GLENGARRY GLEN ROSS too many times! ;) Saw that at the theater - what an awesome film filled with fantastic performances!!
Reply by FormerlyKnownAs
on March 22, 2018 at 12:50 PM
No such thing!
Reply by FormerlyKnownAs
on March 22, 2018 at 2:43 PM
(I worked first—went to school later; so I'm speaking from before-and-after experience.)
I guess my talent for what I do for a living is God-given, since I’ve never gone to school, or studied for it. I suppose I’m what you’d call “a natural”--I JUST KNOW how to do what I do--I expect I've honed my skills here-and-there, through experience, over time (of course, I’m not a surgeon, pharmacist, lawyer, etc.
).
Didn't really need one; but, I wanted to have a degree. Having a degree looks stellar on your résumé; automatically bestows a certain amount of re$pect, prestige (corporate AND community), as well as the many, many boons that come from being a member of the Us And Them Club (sad, but true).
Until I went back to school, must say, I was one of the folks automatically impressed by a degree. But, no more--I took classes with folks I wouldn’t hire to walk my dog—no matter how many degrees they had (no lack of respect for any school or field of study). When it comes to hiring, I think it’s always a crapshoot; but all things being equal, given a choice between the person who has the degree and the person who has the experience—the better-enlightened me is more apt to go for the experienced person.
Reply by censorshipsucks06
on March 22, 2018 at 4:01 PM
I kept telling a friend of mine who worked for a supplier that sooner or later, the "Big Company" was going to hire them. They continually told me "Nope - you have to have a degree - I've been told that so I never even applied." Guess what? That company CAME TO THEM and rolled out the red carpet, and put a waiver on the "Must have a degree" nonsense. Why? Because this person was invaluable. They were better as a supplier employee and produced better reports and had more productivity than most people within the main organization.
Now, a short sighted organization may allow themselves to be boxed into a hiring corner by their own absurd regulations and procedures. I submit those are companies not worth working for in the first place. Most times in this life, if you work hard, show up on time and all the time, do your job well, don't engage in activities that draw negative attention to yourself (idiotic office drama, etc...), you will stand out and succeed. I've lived it, and seen it happen time after time after time.
Now, I'm not saying Fcuk college. There's still a lot to be gained from attending a university. But it's not any golden ticket. And for some, the experience would be miserable. For me, after being on this Earth for 18 years, and attending school from the age of 3-18, I had had enough. The thought of 4 more years of school was repellent. I made my choice, I owned it, and I accepted the road it put me down. While my friends were attending universities, I took some classes, but mostly worked. We all ended up in similar places. I had to work harder to get up the ladder - but they had to work harder at a school for 4 years. I don't dismiss anyone based on their path. Both bring different experiences to the table.
But if you notice, most times, the ones with their noses in the air looking down on others are the 'college educated' people. And don't get me started on Ivy Leaguers. Ugh.
Not that all college people are 'bad' and look down on people. But that's a trait I see more from them than others.
I had a unique opportunity in 2014 to consult on a project that partnered with MIT, China, and a Fortune 500 company. The Exec in charge of the project would send their work and documents to me for review. I didn't work for the company, just did some side consulting. MY GOD. What a mess. I really thought this time I was in over my head. But when I saw their work, I was STUNNED. Simply and staggeringly stunned at basic, fundamental errors. After making changes, and doing re-writes - nearly every single suggestion I made was adopted. MIT wanted to know who I was - the Exec simply referred to me on conference calls as "King Jack" (changed my first name here). Yes yes yes - that made my head get a bit bigger.
The worst part about it was, when it was over, I had to miss a Detroit Tiger playoff game (and there were only 3 that year) to have dinner with the Exec. Couldn't be rescheduled - they were leaving town the next day. Ugh. But it was a good dinner. And a BAD baseball game.
That more than anything ended any leftover intimidation I felt when dealing with highly educated men and women.
Reply by CalabrianQueen
on March 22, 2018 at 10:23 PM
"First prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anyone wanna see the second prize? Second prize is a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired!!!!!!!!"
One of greatest movie scenes ever.
Reply by Knixon
on March 22, 2018 at 10:48 PM
Maybe very dramatic and/or funny or whatever, but rather dumb when you think about it. What that ends up with is only having 2 people working, because everyone else gets fired.
It's like when some idiot like Hillary Clinton says that below-average schools should be closed. You know what happens then? Now you have a NEW group of schools that are "below average," and must be closed. Because HALF of EVERYTHING is "below average." Always. Unless you live at Lake Woebegone.
Reply by censorshipsucks06
on March 22, 2018 at 11:04 PM
"PUT THAT COFFEE DOWN!!"
Reply by FormerlyKnownAs
on March 23, 2018 at 11:47 AM
Coffee Is For Closers Only!
Any one of those guys could have been nominated, and NO ONE would have been
.