In all fairness, Dwight left a wooden soldier with "didn't know" tag on it, which we saw Daryl pick up.

@Oldnewbie said:

And suddenly Gregory is gone from Hilltop? I knew he was on the fence but off screen he just slipped away to... where? Assumingly he went to the Sanctuary but we did not see him there. And Dwight switching teams without anyone saying "You rat"? Like it was expected?? Why f**king trust him in the first place??? sigh

I think that much is obvious. What may not be so obvious though is the fact that he disappeared at a time that I suspect was after Negan already found out there was a mutiny in the making. That means Gregory is going to be in for a world of hurt as the weasel who kept secrets from Negan as a bargaining chip. Lucille will not be happy about this.

And then the "heart tugging" dreams of Sasha and Abe together again... and Sasha and Maggie sitting on a log... meh, not so much.

We didn't need any of that in this episode, as far as I'm concerned. That's why I skipped it all when I played it.

Glad GoT is soon on the way. They may ave a limited budget but they know how to use it and have great writers in comparison to the bozo's now writing for TWD.

So true!

Frankly I cannot blame them entirely (though Gumball is one of them for this ep) as they are writing with one hand behind their backs due to the penny pinching execs at AMC.

Yeah, they have turned it to crap. But still, we watch it. Why? Because we're so deeply invested in seeing how this storyline continues to unfold ... and AMC know it. I'd rather have everyone pirate it in protest to teach 'em.

The actor playing Carl must be thinking "Thank God I am going to college and ditching this show!" He can be written out without ever having to be killed simply by not being in many scenes or at all next season.

He wouldn't be missing anything, just like we didn't all damn season.

@komrad said:

In all fairness, Dwight left a wooden soldier with "didn't know" tag on it, which we saw Daryl pick up.

I do not recall from Daryl's time in the closet wooden soldiers having a significant meaning, which begs the question why one would stand out to him while closing the gate. And by then not much was registering with me as the bewildering nonsense I had just watched numbed me.

Okay so Dwight is still on with Team Rick. But all of this is a mess, really. Negan and his far superior in numbers forces can swoop in at any time and wipe out Alexandria, The Hilltop, and the Kingdom. Maybe keeping only a slave crew there with a Neganite mastering them. He doesn't need to deal with a Rick or a King or anyone! And the Sanctuary, as Dwight said, is ONE of many compounds. Our forces are pathetic in the numbers department. As I said earlier, only about six people came from the Kingdom and ten from Hilltop. If that is it and no one else from those camps are willing or able to fight our team is screwed. Even if Oceanside joins in Negan still has everyone outnumbered.

They also lost all their explosives! So what they gonna do?? Die, in reality. But this isn't reality. Rick will stumble on a nuke and manage to have a viable delivery system! Still only one compound and it's surrounding area but... hey what a surprise!

Like another post said, I am invested in seeing just how all this turns out (a dream Rick had while in the hospital, Jacob's Ladder thing where it all happened in Rick's dying mind after being shot, the outbreak is really only in the USA and everyone makes it to France, whatever). But that doesn't mean I have to enjoy trudging through the nonsense. Maybe I'll wait till the show is cancelled and binge watch it over a few days on Netflix??

Ugh! I get complaints. Sure, the battle scene was atrocious. And all the money they saved by skimping out on action scenes throughout the episode, made it even more disappointing. However, WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW! Most of your complaints stem from the fact that you aren't even watching the show.

1. Gregory left The Hilltop at the end of last episode. Did you not watch him look at a map and then tell his assistant to drive him "here" while he was pointing at the map? We don't know where he went, but we know he left.
2. The Kingdom wasn't going there to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. He was going to Alexandria to inform Rick that he was in to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. It just so happened, Ezekiel was late and ended up walking into the Fight to End all Fights.
3. Dwight hasn't betrayed Alexandria. He's still a traitor to Negan. He just hasn't been caught by his own people yet. If you also paid attention to the show, you'd know that when Darryl saved Tina (?) while Dwight, his wife and wife's sister were trying to escape from Negan, Dwight gave Darryl a wooden soldier carving as a thank you. This meant that Darryl would know the message was from Dwight and that he was still on their side.

@TheShredder said:

Ugh! I get complaints. Sure, the battle scene was atrocious. And all the money they saved by skimping out on action scenes throughout the episode, made it even more disappointing. However, WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW! Most of your complaints stem from the fact that you aren't even watching the show.

1. Gregory left The Hilltop at the end of last episode. Did you not watch him look at a map and then tell his assistant to drive him "here" while he was pointing at the map? We don't know where he went, but we know he left.
2. The Kingdom wasn't going there to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. He was going to Alexandria to inform Rick that he was in to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. It just so happened, Ezekiel was late and ended up walking into the Fight to End all Fights.
3. Dwight hasn't betrayed Alexandria. He's still a traitor to Negan. He just hasn't been caught by his own people yet. If you also paid attention to the show, you'd know that when Darryl saved Tina (?) while Dwight, his wife and wife's sister were trying to escape from Negan, Dwight gave Darryl a wooden soldier carving as a thank you. This meant that Darryl would know the message was from Dwight and that he was still on their side.

1. It was not clear if Gregory was LEAVING Hilltop or paying a visit to Simon to inform on Maggie. So for him to just gone was a bit of off screen shenanigans.
2. No? Where did you assume that from? They were going to FIGHT along side Alexandria, not deliver a message. Why, if so, not send a messenger (like kings did in days of old)??
3. That occurred TWO SEASONS or so ago. I do not keep f**ing notes like you apparently do. I remember the scene with Carl eating a whole can of chocolate pudding from long long ago but a wooden soldier from an ep that was fairly filler until much later when you put Dwight from it in with the Saviors. I am not the only one here who thinks the wooden solder was a wtf.

@Oldnewbie said:

I do not recall from Daryl's time in the closet wooden soldiers having a significant meaning, which begs the question why one would stand out to him while closing the gate. And by then not much was registering with me as the bewildering nonsense I had just watched numbed me.

When Daryl was making his escape, he hid in a room which turned out to be Dwight's. It's there that he came upon the toy soldier, among other little trinkets, if my memory serves me well.

Our forces are pathetic in the numbers department. As I said earlier, only about six people came from the Kingdom and ten from Hilltop. If that is it and no one else from those camps are willing or able to fight our team is screwed. Even if Oceanside joins in Negan still has everyone outnumbered.

Could be about strategy too. Historically, there have been small armies who've defeated larger ones.

They also lost all their explosives! So what they gonna do?? Die, in reality. But this isn't reality. Rick will stumble on a nuke and manage to have a viable delivery system! Still only one compound and it's surrounding area but... hey what a surprise!

Maybe Eugene will have an epiphany and save the day with that?

Like another post said, I am invested in seeing just how all this turns out (a dream Rick had while in the hospital, Jacob's Ladder thing where it all happened in Rick's dying mind after being shot, the outbreak is really only in the USA and everyone makes it to France, whatever).

Not impossible but I doubt it'll be a dream because that would render Fear the Walking Dead completely outlandish. Just a thought though.

@TheShredder said:

1. Gregory left The Hilltop at the end of last episode. Did you not watch him look at a map and then tell his assistant to drive him "here" while he was pointing at the map? We don't know where he went, but we know he left.

It would be with high probability that he went to see Simon because we see Gregory holding the note Simon wrote for him, pondering over it while sipping his alcohol.

1. The Kingdom wasn't going there to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. He was going to Alexandria to inform Rick that he was in to Fight the Fight to End all Fights. It just so happened, Ezekiel was late and ended up walking into the Fight to End all Fights.

I agree with you. I just took it at face value - right place at the right time.

1. Dwight hasn't betrayed Alexandria. He's still a traitor to Negan. He just hasn't been caught by his own people yet. If you also paid attention to the show, you'd know that when Darryl saved Tina (?) while Dwight, his wife and wife's sister were trying to escape from Negan, Dwight gave Darryl a wooden soldier carving as a thank you. This meant that Darryl would know the message was from Dwight and that he was still on their side.

I was going purely from memory but I thought he discovered the toy soldier while hiding out in Dwight's room during his own escape? My memory must be failing me. Again, I agree with your points about whom he's betraying. We know Dwight's motive but we can only speculate that his strategy is to stay close to Negan and be Team Rick's eyes on the inside. I'm just hoping that remains the case.

@larz9 said:

I was going purely from memory but I thought he discovered the toy soldier while hiding out in Dwight's room during his own escape? My memory must be failing me. Again, I agree with your points about whom he's betraying. We know Dwight's motive but we can only speculate that his strategy is to stay close to Negan and be Team Rick's eyes on the inside. I'm just hoping that remains the case.

That might actually be right. But either way, that's why Dwight left it. He knew Darryl would recognize it. The OP just seems to have the "Smart Phone Dilemma." It's when you're paying too much attention to your smart phone when watching a TV show.

I am just amazed on how quickly Dwight was able to carve that message and find a hiding place, so that Darryl could find it. Considering all the shooting and a loose tiger.....

@tmzj said:

I am just amazed on how quickly Dwight was able to carve that message and find a hiding place, so that Darryl could find it. Considering all the shooting and a loose tiger.....

Too much of what goes on in TWD these days is amazing for the wrong reasons.

@tmzj said:

I am just amazed on how quickly Dwight was able to carve that message and find a hiding place, so that Darryl could find it. Considering all the shooting and a loose tiger.....

or........Or..........OR.........and I'm just thinking outside the box, but maybe he had a precarved soldier already in his pocket and he just left it by the gate as he was running out of it. Just a thought.

@Oldnewbie said: And Dwight switching teams without anyone saying "You rat"? Like it was expected?? Why f**king trust him in the first place??? sigh

I think they made it pretty obvious that Dwight didn't betray them. Besides leaving the note, do you think he woulda bothered with sawing the trees down in the middle of the road if he was going to betray them? Dwight is now their inside man.

And then the "heart tugging" dreams of Sasha and Abe together again... and Sasha and Maggie sitting on a log... meh, not so much.

That was absolutely pathetic and in true TWD form and unnecessary filler sequence. I mean come on! They weren't gonna disappoint us and NOT give us more fuckin' filler.

Glad GoT is soon on the way. They may ave a limited budget but they know how to use it and have great writers in comparison to the bozo's now writing for TWD. Frankly I cannot blame them entirely (though Gumball is one of them for this ep) as they are writing with one hand behind their backs due to the penny pinching execs at AMC.

Writing quality has nothing to do with budget unless you are talking about saving money by hiring hack writers. But at the same time I kinda feel they don't want to story to progress too quickly and get too close to wrap up story time. They are trying to stretch it out as much as possible IMO to get more money out of the show. GOT is a period piece so it definitely needs a bigger budget.

The actor playing Carl must be thinking "Thank God I am going to college and ditching this show!" He can be written out without ever having to be killed simply by not being in many scenes or at all next season. Or film all his scenes in one day like they used to do with Fred MacMurray in the old "My Three Sons" (actually they had Fred for a couple days a year).

He should just be like, "Kill me off please." The show is fkn awful now.

@TheShredder said:

That might actually be right. But either way, that's why Dwight left it. He knew Darryl would recognize it. The OP just seems to have the "Smart Phone Dilemma." It's when you're paying too much attention to your smart phone when watching a TV show.

I'm always happy to be corrected. But yes, ultimately, we're definitely suggesting the same thing here ... Dwight knew that Darryl would pick up on that.

As for smart phones during TV shows, mine stays on my armchair only because of the Kodi remote control app. Otherwise, I silence it so that I'm not interrupted by any messages coming in and ruining the dialogues.

@TheShredder said:

or........Or..........OR.........and I'm just thinking outside the box, but maybe he had a precarved soldier already in his pocket and he just left it by the gate as he was running out of it. Just a thought.

Highly plausible but again, hard to say what the motivation would've then been behind it ... as in, did he find out about the deal with the Garbage Patch Emo kids before heading out or is he playing double agent for Negan? I'd be leaning towards the former, just because I'm holding out hope that this series will actually improve.

@larz9 said:

@Oldnewbie said:

I do not recall from Daryl's time in the closet wooden soldiers having a significant meaning, which begs the question why one would stand out to him while closing the gate. And by then not much was registering with me as the bewildering nonsense I had just watched numbed me.

When Daryl was making his escape, he hid in a room which turned out to be Dwight's. It's there that he came upon the toy soldier, among other little trinkets, if my memory serves me well.

Our forces are pathetic in the numbers department. As I said earlier, only about six people came from the Kingdom and ten from Hilltop. If that is it and no one else from those camps are willing or able to fight our team is screwed. Even if Oceanside joins in Negan still has everyone outnumbered.

Could be about strategy too. Historically, there have been small armies who've defeated larger ones.

They also lost all their explosives! So what they gonna do?? Die, in reality. But this isn't reality. Rick will stumble on a nuke and manage to have a viable delivery system! Still only one compound and it's surrounding area but... hey what a surprise!

Maybe Eugene will have an epiphany and save the day with that?

Like another post said, I am invested in seeing just how all this turns out (a dream Rick had while in the hospital, Jacob's Ladder thing where it all happened in Rick's dying mind after being shot, the outbreak is really only in the USA and everyone makes it to France, whatever).

Not impossible but I doubt it'll be a dream because that would render Fear the Walking Dead completely outlandish. Just a thought though.

IT BETTER NOT BE A F**KING DREAM!! I WILL GO COMPLETELY BATSH*T CRAZY