@Raymondoz2007 said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@Raymondoz2007 The spoiler in the title wasn't cool. You should man up and concede that.

I will be more careful in the future. sorry.

Thanks, mate.

@LadyGigi said:

Well it's completely a new discipline to me because I was on imdb where we didn't have these strict rules. This site doesn't either. There are some fan sites that do have stricter rules for posting spoilers. Perhaps you all should find those sites and quit whinning about the spoilers here.

And that's that.

Like I said, we're asking for courtesy, beyond rules. Rules are basic minimums, but we are hoping TMDb will be a community that has higher ideals.

Ray has already conceded, which is a pretty stand-up thing to do. You keep pushing your attitude and you'll find less people enjoying your presence or wanting to interact with you - then what's the point of coming into a community to be less communal?

And as for "whining", you are the one whining because you don't agree with what most of us are in agreement upon. You can fold your arms and pout or cover your ears and say "la la la I am not listening" like a child if you want, but we'd hoped there'd be less of that selfish immaturity here.

At least there is the Ignore button.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@LadyGigi said:

Well it's completely a new discipline to me because I was on imdb where we didn't have these strict rules. This site doesn't either. There are some fan sites that do have stricter rules for posting spoilers. Perhaps you all should find those sites and quit whinning about the spoilers here.

And that's that.

Like I said, we're asking for courtesy, beyond rules. Rules are basic minimums, but we are hoping TMDb will be a community that has higher ideals.

Ray has already conceded, which is a pretty stand-up thing to do. You keep pushing your attitude and you'll find less people enjoying your presence or wanting to interact with you - then what's the point of coming into a community to be less communal?

And as for "whining", you are the one whining because you don't agree with what most of us are in agreement upon. You can fold your arms and pout or cover your ears and say "la la la I am not listening" like a child if you want, but we'd hoped there'd be less of that selfish immaturity here.

At least there is the Ignore button.

Who is most of us? Only a handful of people are participating in this thread. I still don't get what the standard is for "spoilers". Sasha died. Does that qualify? Terminus is full of cannibals who lure people in by pretending to be a sanctuary. How about that? Rick killed Shane. Is that a spoiler? I guess it depends on whether you've been with the show a long time or started watching it recently on Netflix. And I've noticed that despite asking this question more than once in different ways it hasn't actually been addressed. Probably because there isn't an objective definition. How old does something have to be before we're allowed to discuss it under the almighty rules which everyone is supposedly in total lockstep agreement on? Still waiting for an answer.

The whole spoiler thing seems pretty ridiculous to me. How about people take responsibility for their own actions...however stupid it may be.

If you don't want any spoilers ...don't come to the boards until you've caught up on the most recent episodes. If you happen to catch a spoiler...it's your own fault. Don't rage out on the poster who listed the spoil...whether in the post title or otherwise.

I'm happy for the two posters who made amends, but it really wasn't necessary on either part.

@chrisjdel said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@LadyGigi said:

Well it's completely a new discipline to me because I was on imdb where we didn't have these strict rules. This site doesn't either. There are some fan sites that do have stricter rules for posting spoilers. Perhaps you all should find those sites and quit whinning about the spoilers here.

And that's that.

Like I said, we're asking for courtesy, beyond rules. Rules are basic minimums, but we are hoping TMDb will be a community that has higher ideals.

Ray has already conceded, which is a pretty stand-up thing to do. You keep pushing your attitude and you'll find less people enjoying your presence or wanting to interact with you - then what's the point of coming into a community to be less communal?

And as for "whining", you are the one whining because you don't agree with what most of us are in agreement upon. You can fold your arms and pout or cover your ears and say "la la la I am not listening" like a child if you want, but we'd hoped there'd be less of that selfish immaturity here.

At least there is the Ignore button.

Who is most of us? Only a handful of people are participating in this thread. I still don't get what the standard is for "spoilers". Sasha died. Does that qualify? Terminus is full of cannibals who lure people in by pretending to be a sanctuary. How about that? Rick killed Shane. Is that a spoiler? I guess it depends on whether you've been with the show a long time or started watching it recently on Netflix. And I've noticed that despite asking this question more than once in different ways it hasn't actually been addressed. Probably because there isn't an objective definition. How old does something have to be before we're allowed to discuss it under the almighty rules which everyone is supposedly in total lockstep agreement on? Still waiting for an answer.

That question has been answered. "It is not a question of when or how long." Just A) don't put a spoiler right in the title, and B) do warn others that you are including spoilers. After that, type all you want.

This is not a difficult concept.

@DRDMovieMusings said: That question has been answered. "It is not a question of when or how long." Just A) don't put a spoiler right in the title, and B) do warn others that you are including spoilers. After that, type all you want.

This is not a difficult concept.

And you evade the question yet again. No it has not been answered. The word spoiler just keeps getting thrown around without anyone defining what it is and what it isn't. Because my experience is, this is a loose concept with no precise definition so basically it means something a little different to everybody. But hey, if it's such an easy concept you should have no trouble explaining. It is not a question of when or how long - then what is it a question of? Fill in that blank.

@chrisjdel You could do your own homework. This may help get you started - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_(media)

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@LadyGigi said:

Well it's completely a new discipline to me because I was on imdb where we didn't have these strict rules. This site doesn't either. There are some fan sites that do have stricter rules for posting spoilers. Perhaps you all should find those sites and quit whinning about the spoilers here.

And that's that.

Like I said, we're asking for courtesy, beyond rules. Rules are basic minimums, but we are hoping TMDb will be a community that has higher ideals.

Ray has already conceded, which is a pretty stand-up thing to do. You keep pushing your attitude and you'll find less people enjoying your presence or wanting to interact with you - then what's the point of coming into a community to be less communal?

And as for "whining", you are the one whining because you don't agree with what most of us are in agreement upon. You can fold your arms and pout or cover your ears and say "la la la I am not listening" like a child if you want, but we'd hoped there'd be less of that selfish immaturity here.

At least there is the Ignore button.

This argument is so silly. First of all, even if one were to omit spoilers from the title, the replies in the thread would have to remain spoiler free too. Because it makes no sense to use spoiler free titles when the thread will contain spoilers. See why your idea wouldn't work and this whole issue is silly?

And, as counterpoint, for balance, I'm quite aware of this article citing research suggesting that spoilers do NOT spoil films!

The findings have some merit...my favourite movie maker, Billy Wilder, started two of his best films, Double Indemnity and Sunset Boulevard, at the end...so we already knew things were not going to end well for each respective protagonist...but, that was the movie maker himself choosing to tell the story that way, which is fine.

But let me ask...the first time you saw

• The Empire Strikes Back, would you have reacted the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what Vader was going to say to Luke?
• The Sixth Sense, would you have reacted to the ending the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what the connection really was?

My bet is no, a spoiler about those details would indeed have spoiled your first viewing experience. Sure, subsequent viewings after the twist is revealed can be as enjoyable, for different reasons...but the timing of the first reveal within the context of the story is how the writer intended for the twist to be revealed. If the movie makers decided to spoil it themselves, if that's how they feel their story is best told, that's fine. But when they don't, when they position the reveal to happen within the story and towards the end, that's the point in time at which it's best revealed.

Either way, this study demonstrates that the concept of "spoiler" is not mysterious for anyone who spends any time in a movie review environment. A discussion about whether spoilers make a difference is fine; arguing about what a spoiler is seems disingenuous to me - in this day and age, the information is readily available.

@LadyGigi said:

This argument is so silly. First of all, even if one were to omit spoilers from the title, the replies in the thread would have to remain spoiler free too. Because it makes no sense to use spoiler free titles when the thread will contain spoilers. See why your idea wouldn't work and this whole issue is silly?

No.

Once again, if your comment is going to include spoilers, go ahead, include spoilers - just add a spoiler warning in the title (not the spoiler itself).

To recap - spoiler warning in title, spoiler in comment; no spoilers in title, nor spoilers in comment without a warning.

In summary, re-read the above.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@LadyGigi said:

This argument is so silly. First of all, even if one were to omit spoilers from the title, the replies in the thread would have to remain spoiler free too. Because it makes no sense to use spoiler free titles when the thread will contain spoilers. See why your idea wouldn't work and this whole issue is silly?

No.

Once again, if your comment is going to include spoilers, go ahead, include spoilers - just add a spoiler warning in the title (not the spoiler itself).

To recap - spoiler warning in title, spoiler in comment; no spoilers in title, nor spoilers in comment without a warning.

In summary, re-read the above.

Jesus Christ! The spoiler warnings are ineffective. There is no point in using spoiler warnings on this forum for the reason that I just stated. God. Are you slow or something? How can you warn of spoilers in your reply without something to hide it?

Suppose the title to my thread is "Eugene is a jerk. " And then in the body of my post I mention his actions as reasons. Those actions could include spoilers for anyone who isn't caught up in episodes.

Are we paying attention now?

@LadyGigi You're incredible. I won't bother arguing with you any further. Be well.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

@LadyGigi You're incredible. I won't bother arguing with you any further. Be well.

I suggest that one stay off the discussion boards if you don't want to be spoiled. If you come to discus a show you better be caught up or not so sensitive to seeing people discussing events that you haven't seen ywt or didn't know about.

@DRDMovieMusings said:

And, as counterpoint, for balance, I'm quite aware of this article citing research suggesting that spoilers do NOT spoil films!

The findings have some merit...my favourite movie maker, Billy Wilder, started two of his best films, Double Indemnity and Sunset Boulevard, at the end...so we already knew things were not going to end well for each respective protagonist...but, that was the movie maker himself choosing to tell the story that way, which is fine.

But let me ask...the first time you saw

• The Empire Strikes Back, would you have reacted the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what Vader was going to say to Luke?
• The Sixth Sense, would you have reacted to the ending the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what the connection really was?

My bet is no, a spoiler about those details would indeed have spoiled your first viewing experience. Sure, subsequent viewings after the twist is revealed can be as enjoyable, for different reasons...but the timing of the first reveal within the context of the story is how the writer intended for the twist to be revealed. If the movie makers decided to spoil it themselves, if that's how they feel their story is best told, that's fine. But when they don't, when they position the reveal to happen within the story and towards the end, that's the point in time at which it's best revealed.

Either way, this study demonstrates that the concept of "spoiler" is not mysterious for anyone who spends any time in a movie review environment. A discussion about whether spoilers make a difference is fine; arguing about what a spoiler is seems disingenuous to me - in this day and age, the information is readily available.

I can answer the question about someone telling me what happened in the last star wars movie before I had a chance to see it. I was pretty fucking irritated at my sister for announcing a huge reveal.

However, the above mentioned is completely different from coming to a board to read comments that may contain spoilers.

Shame on me for the latter. Shame on my sister for the prior.

@Nubyan said:

@DRDMovieMusings said:

And, as counterpoint, for balance, I'm quite aware of this article citing research suggesting that spoilers do NOT spoil films!

The findings have some merit...my favourite movie maker, Billy Wilder, started two of his best films, Double Indemnity and Sunset Boulevard, at the end...so we already knew things were not going to end well for each respective protagonist...but, that was the movie maker himself choosing to tell the story that way, which is fine.

But let me ask...the first time you saw

• The Empire Strikes Back, would you have reacted the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what Vader was going to say to Luke?
• The Sixth Sense, would you have reacted to the ending the same way if someone had told you beforehand...what the connection really was?

My bet is no, a spoiler about those details would indeed have spoiled your first viewing experience. Sure, subsequent viewings after the twist is revealed can be as enjoyable, for different reasons...but the timing of the first reveal within the context of the story is how the writer intended for the twist to be revealed. If the movie makers decided to spoil it themselves, if that's how they feel their story is best told, that's fine. But when they don't, when they position the reveal to happen within the story and towards the end, that's the point in time at which it's best revealed.

Either way, this study demonstrates that the concept of "spoiler" is not mysterious for anyone who spends any time in a movie review environment. A discussion about whether spoilers make a difference is fine; arguing about what a spoiler is seems disingenuous to me - in this day and age, the information is readily available.

I can answer the question about someone telling me what happened in the last star wars movie before I had a chance to see it. I was pretty fucking irritated at my sister for announcing a huge reveal.

However, the above mentioned is completely different from coming to a board to read comments that may contain spoilers.

Shame on me for the latter. Shame on my sister for the prior.

I don't see this stuff DRDMovieMusings is all up in arms about as a problem. I wouldn't reveal the twist in a move like The Usual Suspects, which definitely would ruin the viewing experience of someone who's never seen it before, on a board discussing another show or movie where someone might stumble across it by accident. But at the same time, on a board dedicated to a particular show I'm not going to put a warning label every time I mention specific details of events on the show. Some people have very definite ideas about How Things Should Be Done. That's fine. But since DRDMovieMusings doesn't happen to be the site administrator his opinion is not TOS. The rest of us are free to disregard it.