@LadyGigi said:

@chrisjdel said:

I like what you said about Morgan and his behavior in Clear. He was just pure crazy in Clear. This time he has gone full on psycho.

I just think that what he did to Richard was horrible. Richard was remorseful. He also said that he wanted to be the sacrifice. Amd he was right. It was getting impossible to meet Negan's demands. He didn't plan it right but war is inevitable because Rick is gathering forces together. Morgan knows this. So does Morgan think that Negan can be rehabilitated? I guess we'll find out.

Richard showed remorse when Benjamin was shot, and I think we saw that. He asked the guy to kill him, and he immediately turned the gun on the kid. I think Richard thought he could control the situation, but he failed at that. When Morgan told Richard to hurry up, you could visibly see the distraught look on his face. This is the reason why I was torn on if he should die or not. But when Richard was talking to Morgan, it was clear that he was trying to justify what he did. The remorse that he demonstrated earlier didn't register with Morgan. That's for sure.

@shenandoahok said: I'm glad his killer instinct won.

Me too.

@LastLion said:

@beith1 said:

it was a good episode watching morgan go through so many different emotions. lennie did a good job.

Totally agree! Lennie is an awesome actor!

I agree, too. He's the reason Morgan is one of my favorite characters on the show.

@Hawkychico-1 said:

@Stormy86 said:

[@chrisjdel] I don't think his intentions were bad. He's just one of those people who acts like they have some insight the rest of us lack, and imposes what he thinks is best on other people without their consent. Your right to choose doesn't really count. It's okay to choose for you (even when the stakes are life and death) because he thinks he's doing what needs to be done. And of course, because his heart's in the right place. Guys like Richard cause a lot of damage in the real world and rarely take responsibility for it. Not really. Look at the way Richard wasn't apologizing when he spoke to Morgan, he was rationalizing and making excuses. You could almost see Morgan thinking wrong answer asshole and using every ounce of self control not to kill him right there on the spot. In the world of TWD people like this are a liability you can't afford. The damage they do will be measured in lives lost. If they can't get with the program, they need to hit the road.

Excellent observation. Your explanation just made me happy that Richard died. I still wish Benjamin was still around, but I get why his character had to go as well.

Credit to Richard. He got the job done. His ultimate goal is now in fruitation. He also got Carol out of her slump and Morgan back to killing. I don't think Morgan will be off the deep end for long. He is really angry and crazy right now but he has enough teachings to maybe balance himself. He will probably be a really good asset if he is killing them one by one when he sees them out and about.

The only problem with Morgan trying to kill the so-called "Saviors" one by one when he sees them, is they have guns, while he has a stick with a sharp end on it.

@Satch_the_man said:

@Hawkychico-1 said:

@Stormy86 said:

[@chrisjdel] I don't think his intentions were bad. He's just one of those people who acts like they have some insight the rest of us lack, and imposes what he thinks is best on other people without their consent. Your right to choose doesn't really count. It's okay to choose for you (even when the stakes are life and death) because he thinks he's doing what needs to be done. And of course, because his heart's in the right place. Guys like Richard cause a lot of damage in the real world and rarely take responsibility for it. Not really. Look at the way Richard wasn't apologizing when he spoke to Morgan, he was rationalizing and making excuses. You could almost see Morgan thinking wrong answer asshole and using every ounce of self control not to kill him right there on the spot. In the world of TWD people like this are a liability you can't afford. The damage they do will be measured in lives lost. If they can't get with the program, they need to hit the road.

Excellent observation. Your explanation just made me happy that Richard died. I still wish Benjamin was still around, but I get why his character had to go as well.

Credit to Richard. He got the job done. His ultimate goal is now in fruitation. He also got Carol out of her slump and Morgan back to killing. I don't think Morgan will be off the deep end for long. He is really angry and crazy right now but he has enough teachings to maybe balance himself. He will probably be a really good asset if he is killing them one by one when he sees them out and about.

The only problem with Morgan trying to kill the so-called "Saviors" one by one when he sees them, is they have guns, while he has a stick with a sharp end on it.

Lol. You don't know Morgan. He's an expert shot.

@shenandoahok said:

@Satch_the_man said:

@Hawkychico-1 said:

@Stormy86 said:

[@chrisjdel] I don't think his intentions were bad. He's just one of those people who acts like they have some insight the rest of us lack, and imposes what he thinks is best on other people without their consent. Your right to choose doesn't really count. It's okay to choose for you (even when the stakes are life and death) because he thinks he's doing what needs to be done. And of course, because his heart's in the right place. Guys like Richard cause a lot of damage in the real world and rarely take responsibility for it. Not really. Look at the way Richard wasn't apologizing when he spoke to Morgan, he was rationalizing and making excuses. You could almost see Morgan thinking wrong answer asshole and using every ounce of self control not to kill him right there on the spot. In the world of TWD people like this are a liability you can't afford. The damage they do will be measured in lives lost. If they can't get with the program, they need to hit the road.

Excellent observation. Your explanation just made me happy that Richard died. I still wish Benjamin was still around, but I get why his character had to go as well.

Credit to Richard. He got the job done. His ultimate goal is now in fruitation. He also got Carol out of her slump and Morgan back to killing. I don't think Morgan will be off the deep end for long. He is really angry and crazy right now but he has enough teachings to maybe balance himself. He will probably be a really good asset if he is killing them one by one when he sees them out and about.

The only problem with Morgan trying to kill the so-called "Saviors" one by one when he sees them, is they have guns, while he has a stick with a sharp end on it.

Lol. You don't know Morgan. He's an expert shot.

I wonder how Morgan is going to react when he finds out that Carol wants to go to war.

@LadyGigi said:

I wonder how Morgan is going to react when he finds out that Carol wants to go to war.

I think he'll be okay with it.

After his martial arts training and who knows how long spent honing those skills on the road, Morgan is a guy you definitely wouldn't want to go up against mano a mano. One at a time kills against what are basically untrained thugs wouldn't pose much risk to his life. On the other hand, it would take years to get all the Saviors that way. And sooner or later a group of them (whose leader isn't quite as dumb as you generally hope your enemies are) will set a trap and lure him into an ambush. When you keep on pushing your luck it eventually runs out. You never know when or where, but it will.

They certainly don't have years, or even months, to deal with the Savior problem. I guess the question with Morgan is: are Dalai Lama and Hannibal Lecter modes the only available settings, or can the dial be somewhere in between?

Lol i knew HENRY was Sophia's younger brother, i wonder if Carol will mention "You look so much like my daughter" to Henry lol

@chrisjdel

. I guess the question with Morgan is: are Dalai Lama and Hannibal Lecter modes the only available settings, or can the dial be somewhere in between?

Nope. Just Dalai Lama and Hannibal Lecter. We only though Morgan was sane. He was just hiding better than most.

@Warpath said:

Lol i knew HENRY was Sophia's younger brother, i wonder if Carol will mention "You look so much like my daughter" to Henry lol

There's a definite family resemblance there. I wonder if Madison is doing anything these days. Haven't seen her since TWD. Her older sister Mackenzie was in Under the Dome; too bad the second season of that show was so boring, because season 3 was the strongest one of all and the setup for season 4 looked really cool. Oh well. Awfully hard to win back viewers once you've lost them.

@LadyGigi said:

@chrisjdel

. I guess the question with Morgan is: are Dalai Lama and Hannibal Lecter modes the only available settings, or can the dial be somewhere in between?

Nope. Just Dalai Lama and Hannibal Lecter. We only though Morgan was sane. He was just hiding better than most.

No one is completely sane in PTSD world. But we're left to ponder the meaning of Morgan undoing what Eastman did to his stick, turning it back into a spear. Has he abandoned the way of peace completely or just making an exception where the Saviors are concerned?

Lennie James and Melissa McBride are the two best actors on the show. She should be getting Emmy noms.

@jonnieblack said:

Lennie James and Melissa McBride are the two best actors on the show. She should be getting Emmy noms.

Lennie James did such a phenomenal job in the pilot that the fans were demanding his return. He had me crying when he had his wife in his sights, but couldn't pull the trigger.

@jonnieblack said:

Lennie James and Melissa McBride are the two best actors on the show. She should be getting Emmy noms.

These awards shows have to keep a certain "profile." She'll never get a nom as long as she's on a show about the Zombie Apocalypse.