That whole episode just negated anything "cool" that happened in previous ones.

Good post, OP.

Also, I don't feel like it negated the cool episodes that preceded it. I was mildly distracted though by the logical stretches and happy/unhappy "coincidences".

Still the best hour of entertainment I've had all week though so I'm not going to complain.

It was still entertaining. I understand they are sacrificing the quality of writing at times to move the plot along and up the stakes. But as I pointed out, some of these things were unneccessary and just sloppy. I understand that the reason Jon had to get left behind was for drama and to show how upset Danarys was when he got left behind. But surely they can do better than Uncle Ben coming out of nowhere? They could have easily set that up by having a scene earlier showing uncle ben seeing them from a distance and setting off on his horse. Something like that. Anything would have been better.

At least Uncle Ben wasn't killed by a common street thug during a botched robbery attempt. (kidding)

I was really sorry to see him go since he was such a central character in the story. (sarcasm)

Really, I think the writers just found a way out for Jon-boy and conveniently tied up a loose thread by killing off the uncle. A kind of two birds with one stone, lazy approach to writing.

I don't have an issue with Dany traveling quickly but it's the entire process happening while the ice was refreezing. By process I mean running back to the wall, Raven flying to Dany, Dany flying on her dragon. Too much. An incredible amount of WTF in the episode and that's just one example.

@illnagas said:

I don't have an issue with Dany traveling quickly but it's the entire process happening while the ice was refreezing. By process I mean running back to the wall, Raven flying to Dany, Dany flying on her dragon. Too much. An incredible amount of WTF in the episode and that's just one example.

Once they showed the group stranded on that little rock(far from an island,lol) and what looked to be a good 100-200k plus white walkers surrounding them in a tight circle and they all just stand there? For SO LONG doing nothing. Lots of walkers are literally skeletons some without an actual brain so wt actual f'k were they waiting for other than for Dany to save the day, HORRIBLE WRITING and execution with that entire set-up. And don't even think about the rock that the hound threw, why the f'k was he encouraging them exactly?

He had been standing on a 30 ft island for at least 24 hours. Him throwing a rock out of boredom made total sense.

The episode was just badly written to get to the point of the "undead dragon" which anyone watching the series could see coming a mile out.

@ThrillKillz said:

@illnagas said:

I don't have an issue with Dany traveling quickly but it's the entire process happening while the ice was refreezing. By process I mean running back to the wall, Raven flying to Dany, Dany flying on her dragon. Too much. An incredible amount of WTF in the episode and that's just one example.

Once they showed the group stranded on that little rock(far from an island,lol) and what looked to be a good 100-200k plus white walkers surrounding them in a tight circle and they all just stand there?

This is not the walking dead. White Walkers are NOT Wights.

@ThrillKillz said:

@illnagas said:

I don't have an issue with Dany traveling quickly but it's the entire process happening while the ice was refreezing. By process I mean running back to the wall, Raven flying to Dany, Dany flying on her dragon. Too much. An incredible amount of WTF in the episode and that's just one example.

Once they showed the group stranded on that little rock(far from an island,lol) and what looked to be a good 100-200k plus white walkers surrounding them in a tight circle and they all just stand there? For SO LONG doing nothing. Lots of walkers are literally skeletons some without an actual brain so wt actual f'k were they waiting for other than for Dany to save the day, HORRIBLE WRITING and execution with that entire set-up. And don't even think about the rock that the hound threw, why the f'k was he encouraging them exactly?

The Night King has some sort of seer ability, he needs the dragon to breach the Wall that's why he waited and made his undead bitches wait around.

@komrad said:

@ThrillKillz said:

@illnagas said:

I don't have an issue with Dany traveling quickly but it's the entire process happening while the ice was refreezing. By process I mean running back to the wall, Raven flying to Dany, Dany flying on her dragon. Too much. An incredible amount of WTF in the episode and that's just one example.

Once they showed the group stranded on that little rock(far from an island,lol) and what looked to be a good 100-200k plus white walkers surrounding them in a tight circle and they all just stand there? For SO LONG doing nothing. Lots of walkers are literally skeletons some without an actual brain so wt actual f'k were they waiting for other than for Dany to save the day, HORRIBLE WRITING and execution with that entire set-up. And don't even think about the rock that the hound threw, why the f'k was he encouraging them exactly?

The Night King has some sort of seer ability, he needs the dragon to breach the Wall that's why he waited and made his undead bitches wait around.

That doesn't make sense. They engaged them after hound threw the rock....not because the night king wanted them to.

Didn't they wait around because the ice was thin and the Night King didn't want to lose his whole army? He was willing to starve them out.

As illogical as this is, I thought The Hound throwing the rock and it landing on the ice and it not cracking or it showing that it was now frozen over again, showed the wights that they can reach them again.. that's why he said 'oh shit' or whatever he said. Again, it's not logical because 1 rock doesn't equal the weight of the army of the undead.. but that's what I got from that.

It's 2000 miles from The Wall to Dragonstone. Even if she was flying 100 mph, it would take 20 hours. Plus you completely dismissed that a raven had to fly to Dragonstone in the first place to deliver the message. All this happens in 1 night in the show, but would easily have taken at least 3 days if not longer.

There has been teleporting and plot holes galore in this season. These D&D writers are hacks and are using all the usual tricks you find in run of the mill TV series.

Where did you get that number from? It's never specified. And it's been suggested that Westeros is smaller in the TV series than the books. Birds can fly average speeds of 70mph. 100mpH is actually a very low speed for a Dragon. 200mph would be easily conceivable. Let's assume that in the TV series the distance is 1000 miles. it would have taken the Raven 12 hours, and the dragon 5. Plenty of time.

Even if you want to be a stickler and insist that the distance MUST be 2000 miles, is would have taken a total of 34 hours. So you can assume that that sent the raven in the morning, and Danarys arrived the evening of the next day. Which there is no reason to suppose is not what happened. We saw them overnight on the island.

See, it just takes a tiny little bit of imagination. This is a fantasy series after all.

@A to Z said:

Where did you get that number from? It's never specified. And it's been suggested that Westeros is smaller in the TV series than the books. Birds can fly average speeds of 70mph. 100mpH is actually a very low speed for a Dragon. 200mph would be easily conceivable. Let's assume that in the TV series the distance is 1000 miles. it would have taken the Raven 12 hours, and the dragon 5. Plenty of time.

Even if you want to be a stickler and insist that the distance MUST be 2000 miles, is would have taken a total of 34 hours. So you can assume that that sent the raven in the morning, and Danarys arrived the evening of the next day. Which there is no reason to suppose is not what happened. We saw them overnight on the island.

See, it just takes a tiny little bit of imagination. This is a fantasy series after all.

Is 100 MPH slow for a dragon? I've never seen a dragon fly faster than 100 MPH, have you?

;)