@lmao7 said:

Plus that bag with the faces, how silly looking to keep it that way...removes the mystery & wow element.

Oh that scene totally killed the whole greatness of the entire faceless man I am no one mystery that the show HAD going on up until that awful scene. It made me think of a rubber halloween mask. It cheapened the whole affair because we were led to believe it was much more mystical than a bag of rubber looking faces, they are actual skin supposedly right? I understand it is much more complicated, but it's just that scene didn't handle the situation right. There could have been a better way to tip off Sansa to Arya's past.

Were they supposed to be blanks or previously used faces in the bag? Because doesn't she have to kill someone to take their face and then undergo the whole actual BECOMING the person literally, flesh, body and voice? That episode trampled on so much that we KNEW to be true up until that point. They completely raped the geographical logistics of time and space in the scene beyond the wall, which has happened before, but NEVER the way in which they were saved on that island.

@ThrillKillz said:

Were they supposed to be blanks or previously used faces in the bag? Because doesn't she have to kill someone to take their face and then undergo the whole actual BECOMING the person literally, flesh, body and voice? That episode trampled on so much that we KNEW to be true up until that point. They completely raped the geographical logistics of time and space in the scene beyond the wall, which has happened before, but NEVER the way in which they were saved on that island.

They were the actual faces of people she killed (one was definitely the face of Walder Frey, and its a mystery who the other face was though it's likely Ser Meryn Trant judging by the beard). The rules of the faceless men were long well established. They kill someone, take their face off and are able to use those faces to become that person. So nothing in the bag ruins anything.

lol i cant imagine arya and brienne at a slumber party ^{^}

@Innovator said:

@ThrillKillz said:

Were they supposed to be blanks or previously used faces in the bag? Because doesn't she have to kill someone to take their face and then undergo the whole actual BECOMING the person literally, flesh, body and voice? That episode trampled on so much that we KNEW to be true up until that point. They completely raped the geographical logistics of time and space in the scene beyond the wall, which has happened before, but NEVER the way in which they were saved on that island.

They were the actual faces of people she killed (one was definitely the face of Walder Frey, and its a mystery who the other face was though it's likely Ser Meryn Trant judging by the beard). The rules of the faceless men were long well established. They kill someone, take their face off and are able to use those faces to become that person. So nothing in the bag ruins anything.

Yes I would def. expect Walder Frey's face to be in the bag obviously because it was shown being used, but it would be of little use to her to be carrying it around with her now. When you say the rules of the faceless men were long well established, I don't recall that being well established as I suspect many viewers don't recall it either. It was all very mystical, we were shown very limited scenes about how it all works, I seriously don't think the rules of the faceless men were established very much at all or at least certainly not WELL established. Please feel free to enlighten me on all of the well established rules I must have missed and I'm not saying that to be a dick, I'm serious.

I have never once rewatched a single episode of GoT's and never read any of the books so I'm certainly not declaring expertise on every level of the show, but I do pay very good attention to it when I am watching, pausing it if need be or rewinding something if I didn't catch all of a certain scene since I watch the streams of it anyway, watching it live is bladder expanding🚽.

@ThrillKillz said:

@Innovator said:

@ThrillKillz said:

Were they supposed to be blanks or previously used faces in the bag? Because doesn't she have to kill someone to take their face and then undergo the whole actual BECOMING the person literally, flesh, body and voice? That episode trampled on so much that we KNEW to be true up until that point. They completely raped the geographical logistics of time and space in the scene beyond the wall, which has happened before, but NEVER the way in which they were saved on that island.

They were the actual faces of people she killed (one was definitely the face of Walder Frey, and its a mystery who the other face was though it's likely Ser Meryn Trant judging by the beard). The rules of the faceless men were long well established. They kill someone, take their face off and are able to use those faces to become that person. So nothing in the bag ruins anything.

Yes I would def. expect Walder Frey's face to be in the bag obviously because it was shown being used, but it would be of little use to her to be carrying it around with her now. When you say the rules of the faceless men were long well established, I don't recall that being well established as I suspect many viewers don't recall it either. It was all very mystical, we were shown very limited scenes about how it all works, I seriously don't think the rules of the faceless men were established very much at all or at least certainly not WELL established. Please feel free to enlighten me on all of the well established rules I must have missed and I'm not saying that to be a dick, I'm serious.

I have never once rewatched a single episode of GoT's and never read any of the books so I'm certainly not declaring expertise on every level of the show, but I do pay very good attention to it when I am watching, pausing it if need be or rewinding something if I didn't catch all of a certain scene since I watch the streams of it anyway, watching it live is bladder expanding🚽.

1. They were shown to take the faces off the people killed.
2. They never were shown to take on the disguise of anyone living.
3. They were shown to remove the face like a mask when they stopped donning the disguise.
4. They were shown to stockpile face masks at their temple.
5. They have been shown to don the same face more than once, so obviously taking from the temple for later use is not something they don't do.

That pretty much establishes the rules. I'm sure there's more to it then that, but nothing in the bag or what was said by Arya goes against what was already established. I'm pretty sure Arya is keeping the faces either because they may come in handy in the future, or to donate them to the temple later on. Who knows? Arya may be even considering establishing her own sect of the faceless men hence why she is keeping the faces, or she is in full serial killer mode and just keeping them as trophies (at least keeping those on her list else the bag would have been bulging with faces after the massacre she pulled off earlier).

Just wanted to point out a mildly humorous scene. Did anybody else notice how much of a mess Arya keeps her room in, compared to Littlefinger? Just as you'd expect of her character.

There was always a mystery about how the faces worked. They would completely transform the personality of the person wearing them, even allowing Arya to impersonate Frey, yet she'd just pull it off in a second like a mask. I don't think showing them off of the body ruined anything. It's when the dead face touched the Faceless Man that the magic was triggered.

This complaint sounds like an old Xena episode review where Grabrielle was having a vision, and the critic said all he could see was sparkling lights.

@Strawberry Shortcake said:

Well whoever that was that smuggled Arya out of KL she allowed it.

It was Yoren, and he didn't ask for Arya's permission. He grabbed her and took her away from the city by force.

But first he told her why he was and told her that her life was in jeopardy. Afterwards, she stopped fighting him. That itself means Arya went willingly because she felt she needed a protector. But why not go back for her sister?

Basically both sisters were very young naive helpless children put in a dangerpus situation so there really isnt a reason for Arya to be judging her sister .

@lmao7 said:

Yes. Thought Arya was smarter than to be played by Littlefinger so it's a bit disappointing to see her act out some psycho sister complex (like Marcia Marcia lol) like just focus on your list or train Podrick or something. Obv Bran knows what's going on, is he just watching like us?

They both went through hell to get where they are now. This would be resolved if the sisters have a slumber party (invite Brienne too) so I'm really hoping this will backfire to Littlefinger or turn into something interesting. Plus that bag with the faces, how silly looking to keep it that way...removes the mystery & wow element.

I think Bran is, for lack of a better phrase, honor bound to not get involved. after all - what ever happens is supposed to happen he cant change that.

Don't get me wrong - I love Arya and I am so glad to see her home and mostly no one but ... she has always been a bit too judgey and not able to see another's side. I think it is unfair of her to be angry with the child that Sansa was and I am real annoyed that she hasn't figured Little Finger out.

@PANDJY said:

@lmao7 said:

Yes. Thought Arya was smarter than to be played by Littlefinger so it's a bit disappointing to see her act out some psycho sister complex (like Marcia Marcia lol) like just focus on your list or train Podrick or something. Obv Bran knows what's going on, is he just watching like us?

They both went through hell to get where they are now. This would be resolved if the sisters have a slumber party (invite Brienne too) so I'm really hoping this will backfire to Littlefinger or turn into something interesting. Plus that bag with the faces, how silly looking to keep it that way...removes the mystery & wow element.

I think Bran is, for lack of a better phrase, honor bound to not get involved. after all - what ever happens is supposed to happen he cant change that.

Don't get me wrong - I love Arya and I am so glad to see her home and mostly no one but ... she has always been a bit too judgey and not able to see another's side. I think it is unfair of her to be angry with the child that Sansa was and I am real annoyed that she hasn't figured Little Finger out.

I finished rewatching the entire series up to season 7 just before the finale and I have to say that I still found Sansa to be pretty hateable up until Battle of the Bastards. Compared to Arya, Sansa just comes off as a much weaker character, almost no attempt from her to try and escape her situation or fight back, just lets Littelfinger do whatever he wants.

I think the whole "Sansa was a child" argument doesn't hold up because Arya was a younger child and arguably had a much harder up-hill journey to climb and was way more active in her story arc.

From Arya's perspective, she's been constantly on the run, imprisoned, didn't get a new change of clothes for like 3 seasons, was nearly killed on several occasions not including her encounter with the Waif who beat her ass multiple times and stabbed her, meanwhile Sansa's been taken pretty good care of save for her stay with Ramsey Bolton, which was horrible don't get me wrong, but she was never under threat of death or of being starved.

They could have made a whole separate show out of Arya's journey while Sansa's journey wouldn't have be interesting enough for a made for tv movie. I kept expecting Sansa to learn from those around her and start manipulating people and "playing the game" given she had Tyrion and Littlefinger as teaches, but she was kind of an idiot so that didn't happen until around season 6-7 and even then she's doing the bare minimum.

@cswood said:

They could have made a whole separate show out of Arya's journey while Sansa's journey wouldn't have be interesting enough for a made for tv movie. I kept expecting Sansa to learn from those around her and start manipulating people and "playing the game" given she had Tyrion and Littlefinger as teaches, but she was kind of an idiot so that didn't happen until around season 6-7 and even then she's doing the bare minimum.

I agree with those comparisons, if I were to choose one word to describe each I would say Sansa=Vanilla and Arya=Fierce. I don't think Sophie Turner playing Sansa has 1/10th of the acting versatility of Maisie Williams has as Arya. I think at the most Sansa has maybe had two looks on her face during the entire series(constipated or bitch face), she doesn't have the chops, or the series is directing her to be that way(who knows). Arya (Maisie) on the other hand could handle anything thrown at her(acting wise) including fighting convincingly .

I don't know if you've seen the S7 finale yet, if not you'll be very entertained by what comes of the two of them during it, I know I was quite pleased.

@ThrillKillz said:

I don't know if you've seen the S7 finale yet, if not you'll be very entertained by what comes of the two of them during it, I know I was quite pleased.

Oh yes, I was rooting for Arya to be the one to kill Littlefinger, but even that hammers home how useless Sansa is because Ned always said he who passes the sentence should swing the sword and Sansa couldn't even do that. She just let Arya do her dirty, but Arya was more than happy to do it so I wasn't too upset

I don't think either girl could have survived in the other's circumstances. Sansa wandering the countryside at wartime couldn't cover up the fact that she was a "lady" and would probably have attracted vicious kidnappers or rapists, against whom she did not know how to defend herself . Arya at court would have eventually rebelled ( as she did at the Faceless Men Temple) and would have been executed by Joffrey or Cersei.

cersei isnt stupid enough to have arya executed, sure she might arrange for her to die but she wouldnt execute her

"Yes I would def. expect Walder Frey's face to be in the bag obviously because it was shown being used, but it would be of little use to her to be carrying it around with her now."

To quote another fantasy/mystery where this point came up: WASTE NOT WANT NOT.