@TheCheetahPeach said:

What really annoyed me in this episode was when Sansa said Ned & rob made stupid mistakes and lost their heads for it. She talked as if she was there with rob during the war or like her father confided in her about what was going on. Which in fact she knew almost nothing about what was going on with them other than Ned said Joffrey wasn't the king (she believed someone must have lied to him & that he drank to much milk of the poppy) & then he died. Then rob started a war & died. That's all she knew she knew nothing else & even admitted at one point that they told her nothing in kings landing.

I hope they don't "dumb" Jon down this season to make Sansa look like the better leader. Because Jon is actually smart and knows how make a hard decision that's better for the long run even if no one supports him. I felt like they were kind of doing this in the episode.

I mean, they were dumb. They did make mistakes. Sansa might not know what mistakes they made precisely, but she had to know that if they were smarter they'd probably both still be alive. i.e. Ned trusting Littlefinger and going to the Iron Throne with a piece of paper like that meant something and Robb betraying the Frey house.

They were dumb. She doesn't need to know the details. They both got themselves killed...that means they were pretty dumb.

Sansa is the better leader, IMO.

At this point I expect to roll my eyes every time Sansa speaks. I used to really like her character but they've killed her. It used to be interesting to see her perspective of someone who's basically a bargaining chip with no control over her own life. Now she's annoying af and thinks she's suddenly a political mastermind.

It does bother me a bit because it was Sansa who was "dumb" by being so infatuated with Joffrey and thinking she was going live some fairy tale life with him. She was so eager to leave Winterfell thinking that King's Landing was this magical place. This is a lot more pronounced in the novel but you can see this in Sansa during Season one.

@illnagas said:

At this point I expect to roll my eyes every time Sansa speaks. I used to really like her character but they've killed her. It used to be interesting to see her perspective of someone who's basically a bargaining chip with no control over her own life. Now she's annoying af and thinks she's suddenly a political mastermind.

Sansa is still one of my favorite characters it I like the other Sansa a lot better.

Sansa was trying to shock Jon at that point to make him be more careful, so she got coarse for once. After all, Jon is the sort of person who would go visit a dragon queen who might consider him a dangerous rival.