The broadcaster of this show is Sundance TV.

As per our rules, we should follow the content of the Sundance website. This is an absolute rule.

Creating a new content report is useless as we need to follow this rule.

But it’s incorrect.

The website of the broadcaster is the KING.

That’s clearly not true. And as I’ve shown you, AMC (who owns Sundance and is the actual broadcaster) says otherwise and if you watch on Sundance or read statements from Sundance, they very clearly state these are three different shows. You don’t have to die on this hill, dude. Don’t you think it’s worse to keep false and incorrect information than it is to admit you’re wrong?

As already indicated, the Sundance TV website trump all other informations.

But AMC owns Sundance and per both Sundance and AMC this is incorrect lmao.

Every ad, episode information on air, press from executives, etc. refers to these shows as three separate shows. This is truly such a simple fix.

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

Okay but it’s wrong. The whole point of this site is accurate information and I’m not sure why you, a mod, are so set on providing inaccurate information when you’re being shown the correct information.

At no point were those shows ever aired as or considered one show. They’re three different shows from a franchise. Just because the janky streamer on Sundance’s site plays them all back to back doesn’t mean they’re one show as multiple other official sites point out.

@superboy97 said:

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

If you're so keen to stick to the website, then be consistent and delete everything past the 12th episode because the KING never got past that point https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story--1033492

Feel free to check with the Wayback Machine or whatever.

As clearly explained by the OP and this press release from the AMC Networks (the owner of Sundance TV, i.e. de-facto owner of the show), it is a franchise, which includes multiple limited or returning series, produced by different people and different production companies. Even your KING says "This franchise is made up of series..." https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story/explore--1033492

@shotfirer said:

@superboy97 said:

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

If you're so keen to stick to the website, then be consistent and delete everything past the 12th episode because the KING never got past that point https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story--1033492

I personally verified episodes 13-23 with the show's official page on the SundanceTV website. For some unknown reason, AMC Networks splits the episodes into two seasons for Sundance Now and AMC+ but doesn't on the SundanceTV website.

Feel free to check with the Wayback Machine or whatever.

Wayback Machine doesn't load anything for the SundanceTV website after they updated the website's design sometime in July 2022.

As clearly explained by the OP and this press release from the AMC Networks (the owner of Sundance TV, i.e. de-facto owner of the show), it is a franchise, which includes multiple limited or returning series, produced by different people and different production companies. Even your KING says "This franchise is made up of series..." https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story/explore--1033492

Official network websites supersedes press releases and the SundanceTV website has only listed "Look Into My Eyes" as a separate show. "It Couldn't Happen Here" and "Indefensible" were both aired and listed as part of a single show called "True Crime Story." Saying "This franchise is made up of series" on the show page doesn't mean much when previous episodes have aired as part of a single series.

@raze464 said:

@shotfirer said:

@superboy97 said:

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

If you're so keen to stick to the website, then be consistent and delete everything past the 12th episode because the KING never got past that point https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story--1033492

I personally verified episodes 13-23 with the show's official page on the SundanceTV website. For some unknown reason, AMC Networks splits the episodes into two seasons for Sundance Now and AMC+ but doesn't on the SundanceTV website.

I don't see any proof of that. These episodes are not listed on the Sundance TV (aka KING) website, period. Besides, in the Sundance TV schedule, all franchise shows belong to a single series, check https://www.sundancetv.com/schedule???tz=ET&from=2023-10-12&tz=ET for example. Look Into My Eyes episodes have episode numbers 1x27-1x30, and the upcoming Citizen Detective is supposed to begin at 1x31. And this is the only commonality that have. Each separate series has its own intro with the on-screen title.

In any case, the way episodes are listed on the website has nothing to do with how they were aired (per bible, "as they first aired on the original network"). So in that case you should follow the network's schedule rather than post-broadcast information, and list all parts of the franchise under a single umbrella, as they are listed in the schedule at the moment of the broadcast. At least that would be consistent with the stupid decision of someone in the STV's schedule department.

Feel free to check with the Wayback Machine or whatever.

Wayback Machine doesn't load anything for the SundanceTV website after they updated the website's design sometime in July 2022.

Again, I don't see any proof if that's because something was done to the website, or the episodes just weren't there in the first place. As I mentioned above, for some reason they are using the absolute episode numbering for all series in the franchise.

@shotfirer said:

I don't see any proof of that.

Why would I have ever added them to this entry and locked the Primary Facts if they weren't listed on the same page? If they were given a separate page, I would've removed them from this entry, like I did with the "Look Into My Eyes" episodes.

These episodes are not listed on the Sundance TV (aka KING) website, period. Besides, in the Sundance TV schedule, all franchise shows belong to a single series, check https://www.sundancetv.com/schedule???tz=ET&from=2023-10-12&tz=ET for example. Look Into My Eyes episodes have episode numbers 1x27-1x30,

"Look Into My Eyes" was listed as episodes 27-30 of "True Crime Story" only in the schedule. I know because I added them to this series based on the schedule and then removed them after the first episode aired when the show was given a separate page on the SundanceTV website and the episode was listed as Season 1, Episode 1.

and the upcoming Citizen Detective is supposed to begin at 1x31. And this is the only commonality that have.

How "Citizen Detective" is listed on TMDB remains to be seen, then. We'll have to wait and see how the first episode is added to the SundanceTV website.

Each separate series has its own intro with the on-screen title.

That's fine, but if they're listed as part of the same show on the official website and not given separate pages, like with "It Couldn't Happen Here" and "Indefensible," then that's how they should be listed on TMDB as well.

In any case, the way episodes are listed on the website has nothing to do with how they were aired (per bible, "as they first aired on the original network"). So in that case you should follow the network's schedule rather than post-broadcast information, and list all parts of the franchise under a single umbrella, as they are listed in the schedule at the moment of the broadcast. At least that would be consistent with the stupid decision of someone in the STV's schedule department.

That's useful for older TV shows from before networks had websites and episode guides for their shows and TV Everywhere became commonplace. From the Contribution Bible:

For recent TV series, the best source is often its official website. We try to mirror how the episodes were first released on the original network's website. When different, the data on the official website usually trumps press releases and TV listing info.

The SundanceTV website listed "It Couldn’t Happen" and "Indefensible" as part of a single 26-episode TV show called "True Crime Story" and "Look Into My Eyes" as part of a separate show called "True Crime Story: Look Into My Eyes."

Wayback Machine doesn't load anything for the SundanceTV website after they updated the website's design sometime in July 2022.

Again, I don't see any proof if that's because something was done to the website, or the episodes just weren't there in the first place.

As I'm the one that added episodes 13-26 and verified episodes 13-23 with the official page, and archives of the page don't load anything, the entry is just going to have to stay like this and you're just gonna have to trust me.

If you want the entry to change, you need to provide proof that the episodes were not listed as part of the same series on the SundanceTV website.

As I mentioned above, for some reason they are using the absolute episode numbering for all series in the franchise.

They're using absolute numbers only in the schedule.

As I mentioned earlier in this same comment, "Look Into My Eyes" was listed as episodes 27-30 of "True Crime Story" in the schedule but was given a separate page on the website with the episodes listed as Season 1, Episode 1-4.

“Citizen Detective” is its own series in a franchise. Again, I literally work at AMC lmfao. All of these are completely separate series that are part of one franchise.

“Look into My Eyes” is COMPLETELY separate all together. “True Crime Story” buys up other documentaries and series and distributes them for AMC/Sundance. “Look into My Eyes” was a limited series that aired already a couple of months ago. All press releases and official documents pertaining to this show indicate this. All advertising called it “a NEW limited series.” The fact that you’re ignoring that in favor of the playlist on the Sundance site’s order is pretty bizarre.

@raze464 said:

@shotfirer said:

@superboy97 said:

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

If you're so keen to stick to the website, then be consistent and delete everything past the 12th episode because the KING never got past that point https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story--1033492

I personally verified episodes 13-23 with the show's official page on the SundanceTV website. For some unknown reason, AMC Networks splits the episodes into two seasons for Sundance Now and AMC+ but doesn't on the SundanceTV website.

Feel free to check with the Wayback Machine or whatever.

Wayback Machine doesn't load anything for the SundanceTV website after they updated the website's design sometime in July 2022.

As clearly explained by the OP and this press release from the AMC Networks (the owner of Sundance TV, i.e. de-facto owner of the show), it is a franchise, which includes multiple limited or returning series, produced by different people and different production companies. Even your KING says "This franchise is made up of series..." https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story/explore--1033492

Official network websites supersedes press releases and the SundanceTV website has only listed "Look Into My Eyes" as a separate show. "It Couldn't Happen Here" and "Indefensible" were both aired and listed as part of a single show called "True Crime Story." Saying "This franchise is made up of series" on the show page doesn't mean much when previous episodes have aired as part of a single series.

But you’re wrong. “True Crime Story” is a FRANCHISE and “It Couldn’t Happen Here” and “Indefensible” are both separate series and have aired as such. Since day one for both shows they aired with their own S1E1, etc. etc. They never aired as one show. All the press backs this up as does how they’re listed when they aired in the past, currently, AND how they’re in our system at AMC.

@raze464 said:

@shotfirer said:

@superboy97 said:

Except the Sundance TV website which is, as indicated, the KING.

If you're so keen to stick to the website, then be consistent and delete everything past the 12th episode because the KING never got past that point https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story--1033492

I personally verified episodes 13-23 with the show's official page on the SundanceTV website. For some unknown reason, AMC Networks splits the episodes into two seasons for Sundance Now and AMC+ but doesn't on the SundanceTV website.

Feel free to check with the Wayback Machine or whatever.

Wayback Machine doesn't load anything for the SundanceTV website after they updated the website's design sometime in July 2022.

As clearly explained by the OP and this press release from the AMC Networks (the owner of Sundance TV, i.e. de-facto owner of the show), it is a franchise, which includes multiple limited or returning series, produced by different people and different production companies. Even your KING says "This franchise is made up of series..." https://www.sundancetv.com/shows/true-crime-story/explore--1033492

Official network websites supersedes press releases and the SundanceTV website has only listed "Look Into My Eyes" as a separate show. "It Couldn't Happen Here" and "Indefensible" were both aired and listed as part of a single show called "True Crime Story." Saying "This franchise is made up of series" on the show page doesn't mean much when previous episodes have aired as part of a single series.

But you’re wrong. “True Crime Story” is a FRANCHISE and “It Couldn’t Happen Here” and “Indefensible” are both separate series with their own separate production teams and have aired as such. Since day one for both shows they aired with their own S1E1, etc. etc. They never aired as one show. All the press backs this up as does how they’re listed when they aired in the past, currently, AND how they’re in our system at AMC.