Greetings. I put the interactive movie-videogame "Beyond: Two Souls" in the database and now is gone. It was a part of the 2013 Tribeca Film Festival selection and have great direction (David Cage) and acting (Ellen page, Willem Dafoe, Eric Winter, Kadeem Hardison in motion/face capture AND voice roles), you still no consider it a item worthy of being in this database?
http://filmmakermagazine.com/69613-beyond-two-souls-at-the-tribeca-film-festival/
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Reply by Gonzopersona
on October 27, 2013 at 7:05 PM
Yes Paszt, i own the videogame (i just finished). I know that, in origin, is a videogame. But i really think is a weird, unique one. Is more a interactive movie than a videogame. Tribeca picked it for a reason. I just think it deserves a spot in this database. Imdb has it, and over the years i have seen other media (music videos, adds) being treated (fairly) as "little movies". Well, this one is a VERY BIG one. With a script of 2000 pages, different choices, a very good directing, great casting, superb acting by Ellen Page and Willem Dafoe, and so forth. The process and its final product is, really, a very big interactive movie.
Reply by Gonzopersona
on October 27, 2013 at 7:53 PM
hahahahaha, well, a videogame can be a interactive movie (not all videogames are shooters, mario bros or pac-man). I believe in mixed genres and experimentations. It is what makes arts alive. Damn, is what creates cinema in the first place!
Reply by exoscoriae
on October 30, 2013 at 9:41 AM
Just my two cents as a very avid gameplayer, lets say hypothetically that Beyond was accepted as a "movie", even though it is a PS3 Game, and has only ever been released as a PS3 game.
At that point, where do you draw the line? Do you add Heavy Rain as well? Another very cinematic game from the same developers? I can't see any reason not to add it, as it was built almost identically. But then you have Capcom's Remember Me, another cinematic Mystery, but with a little more action involved. However, if that one is acceptable, then why not add Halo.. I mean, it has huge production values and a giant story behind it...
Do you see the slippery slope here?
If someone proposed adding Halo today, there is no way it would go through. But if Beyond is added, which opens the doors for other "cinematic" games, then there is no real line you can draw that says some games are ok, but not others.
Beyond has never been released as a movie, either in theaters or on home release. When it comes right down to it, we are talking about a video game, albeit a very cinematic one. This will continue as a trend with the new consoles as their power allows developers to create lifelike images. But they will still be video games.
The day I can go to a theater and interact with the movie in a meaningful way via some sort of controller or device (and not this tacked on Disney Second Screen they are trying out right now), and then that movie is released for a console.. then I think there is a debate to be had. In this case though, it would appear to me to be a game, plain and simple.
Reply by Gonzopersona
on October 30, 2013 at 5:49 PM
I DO believe Heavy Rain should be in the database as well. Halo? Not so much. Those are really mechanic-driven videogames, not interactive movies. I don't see videogames as a menace to films. Films will be fine, even if a couple of "those videogames" make the list.
I'm just asking themoviedatabase if BEYOND, a part of the 2013 Tribeca Film Festival Oficial selection is worthy of a spot here (i believe it does). Letterboxd, wich use tmdb as reference, has a lot of publicity ads and music videos there (fairly, i DO believe some of them deserves a spot, as being little movies in different genres). The same goes with IMDB.