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Everybody wants to know what SM25 has to make to beat Man Of Steel (MOS) and to breakeven, but lies are told about the budget. Lies are told about ticket sales too. Everybody has a different opening weekend BoxOffice (BO) projection. SM25 will open somewhere between $90M and $200M. lol SM25 will breakeven at $500M and needs $700M to be profitable. All BS. The rules of thumb were applied to other films, so they’ll be applied to SM25 too.

So I took the liberty to put some important things in one post with some explanation. We don’t have all the info, but we do have enough. Bear with me, if you don’t want the shills, JG minions and ZS goonies to confuse you. Also grab your calculator to double check, because the amounts are gonna look crazy. lol

SM25’s Total Budget: Production Budget (PB) + Marketing Budget (MB)

The Hollywood Reporter: Last year, documents filed by the Superman production team with the Ohio government seeking incentives listed the gross budget of the highly anticipated July film as $363.8 million. […] one longtime financier says the $363 million figure isn’t incorrect. And sources say DC and its parent could spend as much as $200 million on the global marketing campaign […].

$363,845,386.00 PB before all tax cut
$011,091,686.70 Ohio tax cut
................................…
$352,753,699.30

It’s said that SM25 received $38M tax cut in Georgia. If true, that means that SM25 spent like $126.7M (if it got the base 20% + the 10% uplift) or $190M (if it only got the base 20%) in Georgia.

According to the Ohio Motion Picture Tax Application form, SM25 spent $36,972,289 in Ohio for a $11,091,686.70 (30%) tax cut. 25% of SM25 was shot in Ohio.

Assuming SM25 received the whole 30% tax cut in Georgia, that would mean it spent a total of $163,672,289 in Georgia and Ohio. The rest of the PB ($200,173,097) is used to pay the director, writer, cast and stuff like that. I think stuff that kinda happened during the moths-long pre- and post-production.

$352,753,699.30
$038,000,000.00 Georgia tax cut
................................…
$314,753,699,30

Round it down to $310M or $300M? WBD*cks want to round it down to $225M. lol Not gonna happen. Debunk what THR wrote or the PB will remain $310M.

In 2011, MOS’ PB was $225M. In 2024, when SM25 was made, $225M would be $313,774,067. So $310M isn’t a crazy PB, because inflation was crazy the last few years.

The rule of thumb is the MB is half of the PB. So SM25’s MB should be $155M, which coincidentally happens to be almost the same as Barbie’s ($150M with inflation $158M). However, according to THR, SM25’s MB is $200M.

SM25’s Total Budget: $310M PB + $150M or $200M MB = $460M or $510M lol

SM25’s Break-Even Point

China keeps 73% of the Chinese BO. Theaters in the US and other countries keep somewhere between 40%–50% of the BO. So the studio doesn’t get 100% of the gross.

For simplicity, the rule of thumb to break even is 2.5x the PB (when you don’t know the MB) or 2x the total budget. We have the total budget.

SM25’s break-even point: 2 x $460M or $510M = $920M or $1,020,000,000 lol

If you use the fake $225M PB + $200M MB = $425M, SM25 will breakeven at $850M.

If you use the fake $225M PB + $150M MB = $375M, SM25 will breakeven at $750M.

MOS BO numbers (+inflation 2025)

Made in 2011 and released in June 2013

  • $225,000,000 – +$313,774,067 – PB 2011 (+2024)
  • $012,062,124 – +$016,644,920 – Thursday Preview
  • $116,619,362 – +$160,926,880 – Opening Weekend (excl. Thursday preview)
  • $128,681,486 – +$177,571,800 – Opening Weekend (incl. Thursday preview)
  • $291,045,518 – +$401,623,249 – Domestic BO

The US inflation calculator can’t be used to adjust the international BO. You need the inflation calculator of each country for that. Nobody has time for that. lol So the international BO below won’t be adjusted.

  • $376,954,000 – International BO (not adjusted for inflation)
  • $667,999,518 – +$778,577,249 – Worldwide BO (only the domestic BO is adjusted for inflation)

Should SM25 surpass the original worldwide BO or the worldwide BO partially adjusted for inflation?

Neither! Since the international BO can’t be (easily) adjusted for inflation, it’s better to use the multiplier.

WorldwideBO / PB = Multiplier (amount of times the film made its PB back)

MOS Multiplier
2.969x

If I round to one decimal, the multiplier will be round up to 3 and MOS’ worldwide BO is clearly not 3x its PB. The more numbers after the decimal point, the more accurate too. But I’ll keep it three.

To match MOS’ 2.969 multiplier, SM25 must make $920,390,000. lol

If you use the fake $225M PB, which is the same as MOS, then SM25 must make $667,999,518, which is the same as MOS. lol

Who are the shills?

Outlets consider these films huge flops! Only failures with a multiplier above 2 are mentioned below.

  1. $082M – $205,358,461 – 2.504x – $000,000,000 – Birds of Prey (not released in China; released like two months before COVID hit)
  2. $200M – $476,073,180 – 2.380x – $039,424,993 – Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
  3. $180M – $413,640,021 – 2.298x – $012,937,234 – Captain America: Brave New World
  4. $300M – $655,945,209 – 2.186x – $104,000,000 – Justice League
  5. $075M – $162,759,437 – 2.170x – $000,000,000 – Morbius (not released in China)
  6. $205M – $439,381,226 – 2.143x – $064,595,991 – Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom
  7. $180M – $381,766,865 – 2.121x – $016,081,303 – Thunderbolts (still in theaters)
  8. $200M – $401,731,759 – 2.009x – $000,000,000 – Eternals (not released in China; COVID wasn’t completely over yet)

China (4th column) can easily add a huge amount to a film’s international BO. So it’s good to know whether or not a film was released there. Otherwise, it’s not a fair competition or comparison.

Unlike those eight films, MOS wasn’t considered a huge flop. With a 2.969 multiplier, it was considered disappointing. lol The WB idiots wanted MOS to make a billion $.

Let’s see what outlets will call SM25 if it has a 2.504 (huge flop) or a 2.969 (disappointing) multiplier. lol

DC’s most popular character

Batman (BM) is DC’s most popular character, but Batman Begins didn’t make a billion $. At the time, Christian Bale was a well-known actor too. HC wasn’t well known when he was cast as SM. Still, MOS has a bigger multiplier than Batman Begins while having a bigger PB too ($225M vs $178.6M).

Made in 2004 and released in June 2005

  • $150,000,000 – +$178,617,522 – 2.378x – PB 2004 (+2011)
  • $205,343,774 – +$244,937,376 – Domestic BO (+2013)
  • $151,426,819 – +$151,426,819 – International BO (not adjusted for inflation)
  • $356,770,593 – +$396,364,195 – Worldwide BO (only the domestic BO is adjusted for inflation)

Since I mentioned BM, let me mention The Batman too.

Made in 2020 and released in March 2022

  • $200,000,000 – +$242,407,780 – 3.854x – PB 2020 (+2024)
  • $369,612,903 – +$405,998,912 – Domestic BO (+2025)
  • $401,247,477 – +$401,247,477 – International BO (not adjusted for inflation)
  • $770,860,380 – +$807,246,389 – Worldwide BO (only the domestic BO is adjusted for inflation)

Critics and audience ratings

It’s said that audiences didn’t like MOS. That’s a lie! lol

Cinemascore
A -

IMDB
7.1/10 < (837,000) Users

Metacritic
55 < (47) Critics ~ Users (4,106) > 7.5

Rotten Tomatoes
49% < (70) Top Critics
57% < (339) All Critics
75% < (250,000) Audience

Let the competition and betting begin!

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@AnnaB said:

For simplicity, the rule of thumb to break even is 2.5x the PB (when you don’t know the MB)

It should be 3x PB to BE,

Because the PB’s keep getting bigger and bigger, some say 2.5x. The argument is that the MB isn’t always 50% of such huge PB. China gets more than 70%. The studio gets more the opening weekend and mostly 60% from other countries. That doesn’t sound like keeping it simple. Simple means 3x PB. If the film has a $300M PB, the studio will probably spend a $150M or more to promote it. It sounds crazy that such film has to make $900M or close to that to BE, but the theaters don’t show films for free.

THR: “There’s no way to defend these budgets, because when you get into the $700 million to $900 million break-even point in regards to box office and ancillary revenue, it doesn’t make any sense,” says a veteran financier.

Let the competition and betting begin!

Review embargo tomorrow. Can’t wait to see the reactions of the minions and goonies. rofl

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