Excited isn't the right word, because superhero films aren't my thing. I can say that I'm excited for Nomis tho.

Superhero films are annoying. They have too many similarities and too much nonsense. Now the two universes are even hiring the same people.

JK Simmons, Commissioner Gordon in JL (Jonah Jameson in Spiderman)
Willem Dafoe, Nuidis Vulko in Aquaman (Green Goblin in Spidermar)
Callan Mulvey, henchman in BMvSM (henchman in "Captain America: The Winter Soldier")
Joss Whedon, writer/director JL1 (writer/director of the Avengers films)

Why?

Things were cool when the DCEU was dark and serious and the MCEU was colorful and funny. But even this contrast will soon disappear.

With that said, I enjoyed Cavill's parts and that was pretty much it. His part isn't big, but it's bigger than I expected. I think 20 to 23 minutes. Not bad for a dead character. But they should never erase his mustache with CGI again. That was really painful to watch and that opening scene wasn't even necessary.

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I'm also glad that Superman is stronger now. He can beat Aquaman and Wonder Woman easily and there is no kryptonite left to stop him.

Batman must be kicking himself. He wanted to kill Superman, despite all the good things that he did, because he was too powerful and could destroy the world. Now the same Batman made Superman even stronger by resurrecting him with the mother box.

By the way, if Superman needed to be resurrected, then why did the dirt on his coffin rise? Was he buried alive (in deep coma)?

And Superman can't work for Daily Planet as Clark Kent anymore. Actually, he can't work anywhere as Clark Kent. So what now?

And isn't the post-credit scenes supposed to make the audience excited for what's to come? What's so excited about Deathstroke? I just saw Superman beat Aquaman and Wonder Woman. What is this mere mortal with meager super abilities going to do?

I'm not excited at all! I'm annoyed and worried, because Superman will have to be away again for this to work. And then the cliché end where Supes flies in to save the day.

If Lex Luthor is going to form the "Injustice League," then show me a powerful member who can fight Superman so I don't have to worry. Deathstroke is more for a Batman film or Suicide Squad, now that El Diablo and Enchantress are gone.

@Triksy said:

By the way, if Superman needed to be resurrected, then why did the dirt on his coffin rise? Was he buried alive (in deep coma)?

I asked and got this answer.

@HAL 9010' said:

The coffin did not shake. The rubble on top rose as though he radiated some form of lifting energy (similar to what happens to rubble around him when he sets off to fly)... and in doing so it showed us that he was perhaps not dead in the classical sense of the word....

This is pretty much supported in the comics, where it turns out that he did not die absolutely... he was just more or less dead... meaning very slow heart beat for example. A beat every two weeks or so... So the final effect in BvS was on par with the comics and I suppose it also explains how he could be "jump started" this long after his "death". The answer; he was not absolutely dead.

• HC and BA must publicly blame ZS for MOS and BvS failure bc WB wants the public to know that everything bad about the DCEU leaves with ZS.

While HC seemed to have subtly ‘blamed’ ZS for MOS and BvS in the Rake interview, when did BA blamed ZS? In most interviews I’ve seen he seemed to have complimented both ZS and Joss Whedon for what they brought and contributed to JL, as seen in this interview in Entertainment Weekly:

Whedon is now a credited co-writer of the film, and Affleck says that his particular style works in intriguing tandem with Snyder’s. “I think they were very complementary,” says Affleck. “Zack’s so good with the mythic, gothic, heavy serious stuff, and Joss is so good with tone, and comedy, and making superheroes seem kind of real and relatable.”

@Mike4U said:

@HAL 9010' said:

This is pretty much supported in the comics, where it turns out that he did not die absolutely... he was just more or less dead... meaning very slow heart beat for example. A beat every two weeks or so... So the final effect in BvS was on par with the comics and I suppose it also explains how he could be "jump started" this long after his "death". The answer; he was not absolutely dead.

Sounds macabre. LOL How long was he dead? Didn't seem very long to me.

@Triksy said:

Willem Dafoe, Nuidis Vulko in Aquaman (Green Goblin in Spidermar)

He had a scene in JL. It got cut.

@Blue-Rose said:

No way that cost $25m. Someone is passing off cheap old CGI as expensive new CGI. Someone is stealing, I tells ya.

25 million for 2 months of reshoots.

@Triksy said:

Deathstroke is more for a Batman film or Suicide Squad, now that El Diablo and Enchantress are gone.

It was rumored that Deathstroke would be in the next BM film.

@AnnaB said:

How long was he dead?

If long, the Superman statue would have been restored.

@Blue-Rose said:

No way that cost $25m. Someone is passing off cheap old CGI as expensive new CGI. Someone is stealing, I tells ya.

CGI is expensive, but you need time to do it right. WB didn't have enough time to do it right and it was their own fault.

Unfortunately, the VFX artists clearly didn’t have enough time to perfect the effect; it’s incredibly obvious in the finished film, with Superman’s cleft existing in the horrifying pit of the uncanny valley that distracts in every scene he’s in.
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Christopher McQuarrie and HC weren't A-holes for the hell of it. HC can't do the stunts with a fake stache.

McQuarrie has revealed today on Twitter, that the stunts Cavill is involved in for the film, would result in a fake mustache likely either falling off or moving.

In exactly one year you’ll understand: The only way to keep a fake ‘stache on Henry Cavill would be a liberal dose of staples.
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WB had enough time to change the tone of their superhero extended universe. They knew the SM fans were unhappy. They knew critics wanted less darkness and more humor. What did they do? They let ZS continue with his hopeless, depressing vision anyway. Well the test audiences were disgusted by the end product. Four months before the release, they decided to do two months of reshoots to cram jokes and more SM in the film. Not enough time to do the CGI right.

I'm pretty pissed about the mustache CGI. I've seen the movie twice and really really enjoyed it but the CGI really irked me. His face is so damn handsome and they ruined it. It's so exciting to see him come on screen and they messed up that experience. You think there's any chance they'll fix it for the blu-ray release? That'd be nice!

The only moment where Cavill’s real upper-lip seems to appear is in the finale when he says to Cyborg he likes being alive before helping him part the Mother Boxes, and a few beats later when recovering from the destruction of the Unity.

I don't agree. HC's upper-lip is definitely fake in those scenes. It's thin and doesn't have the cupid's bow.

HC's upper-lip has its sharp cupid's bow when he's:

• fighting the other JL members
  
• threatening BM
• hugging LL after the fight
• shirtless at the farm with LL
• in the field talking to LL and then meet his mom

@HCFan said:

The only moment where Cavill’s real upper-lip seems to appear is in the finale when he says to Cyborg he likes being alive before helping him part the Mother Boxes, and a few beats later when recovering from the destruction of the Unity.

I don't agree. HC's upper-lip is definitely fake in those scenes. It's thin and doesn't have the cupid's bow.

HC's upper-lip has its sharp cupid's bow when he's:

• fighting the other JL members
  
• threatening BM
• hugging LL after the fight
• shirtless at the farm with LL
• in the field talking to LL and then meet his mom

Yup, it's messed up everywhere all the time. =(

@ComicBookGuy said:

@Blue-Rose said:

No way that cost $25m. Someone is passing off cheap old CGI as expensive new CGI. Someone is stealing, I tells ya.

25 million for 2 months of reshoots.

You make more sense than Metro.

Does the edit button work for everybody else? Mine doesn't.

@Sue-Yin said:

WB had enough time to change the tone of their superhero extended universe. They knew the SM fans were unhappy. They knew critics wanted less darkness and more humor. What did they do? They let ZS continue with his hopeless, depressing vision anyway. Well the test audiences were disgusted by the end product. Four months before the release, they decided to do two months of reshoots to cram jokes and more SM in the film. Not enough time to do the CGI right.

WB is paying a very high price for their misplaced trust in ZS.

@Triksy said:

Superhero films are annoying. They have too many similarities and too much nonsense. Now the two universes are even hiring the same people.

JK Simmons, Commissioner Gordon in JL (Jonah Jameson in Spiderman)
Willem Dafoe, Nuidis Vulko in Aquaman (Green Goblin in Spidermar)
Callan Mulvey, henchman in BMvSM (henchman in "Captain America: The Winter Soldier")
Joss Whedon, writer/director JL1 (writer/director of the Avengers films)

Why?

Things were cool when the DCEU was dark and serious and the MCEU was colorful and funny. But even this contrast will soon disappear.

Prepare yourself for more similarities.

The Flash falling on Wonder Woman’s chest was previously used in Avengers: Age of Ultron
The Bats and Supes bro-out after Bruce buys back the farm is a mirror to Age of Ultron

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-reshoot-changes-explained-snyder-whedon/3/

I'm glad Snyder is gone, but Whedon aint the right replacement. WB keep making these stupid mistakes. Whedon aint the only comic book geek in Hollywood. He aint the only one with a bag of stupid one-liners.

@Gone_Man said:

Does the edit button work for everybody else? Mine doesn't.

Mine works.

I'm glad Snyder is gone, but Whedon aint the right replacement. WB keep making these stupid mistakes. Whedon aint the only comic book geek in Hollywood. He aint the only one with a bag of stupid one-liners.

Forget these directors. They need solid writers who have a clear vision and offer the viewers something different. They can't make a knockoff Marvel flick and try to get top dollar for it. They will always fall short playing catchup to Marvel.

What WB needs to do is to pave their own pathway in the comic world. They were the first in the game with Superman. They did it again with offering a dark view of Batman. Then came others: Spidey with color, Iron Man the anti-hero, and Deadpool with a raunchy view.

@Poetist said:

Forget these directors. They need solid writers who have a clear vision and offer the viewers something different.

How much power do writers have really? Most of the time scripts can be ‘adjusted’ to suit the director’s, the lead actor’s, the studio heads’, the producers’ demands. For example, those who wrote scripts for the Marvel movies very much had to go with the ‘vision’ of Kevin Feige and had to make sure the story fits there.

As one scriptwriter/director I interviewed once said to me, no scriptwriter wants their work ‘edited’, but that’s how it is in the business. However, one way to ensure for them to have more control is that if they become the director of the movie (or TV series) themselves.

A writer going for something ‘different’ could be a hit or miss. Zach Snyder’s Watchmen was very, very different from the usual comic book hero movies given its political overtones, very unheroic/flawed ‘heroes and heroines’ and darker themes. Luc Besson’s Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets had some of the most original and creative concepts I’ve seen for a comic book/sci-fi movie and that movie didn’t do so well either.

I think it’s on TV you see more writers/directors having more success going for something ‘different’.

@ToniTurnyne said:

@Poetist said:

Forget these directors. They need solid writers who have a clear vision and offer the viewers something different.

How much power do writers have really? Most of the time scripts can be ‘adjusted’ to suit the director’s, the lead actor’s, the studio heads’, the producers’ demands. For example, those who wrote scripts for the Marvel movies very much had to go with the ‘vision’ of Kevin Feige and had to make sure the story fits there.

That's true. There will be edits and adjustments, but a strong writing team will write something suitable for the demands that are placed upon them.

There will be edits and adjustments, but a strong writing team will write something suitable for the demands that are placed upon them.

But if the writers don't have the final say as Toni mentioned it doesn't matter how "solid" the script is if the director, lead actor, studio execs would want and have authority to adjust it to their satisfaction. This could've been the case for JL. Who knows, maybe Terrio wrote a better script but the suits wanted more jokes and cut out scenes and here we are.