@bratface said:

That said, I haven't seen The Godfather but I'm sure it's a masterpiece. I think Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of the 70s. But just like watching Naked Gun, one of the funniest films ever made, it's kinda hard not to get distracted when OJ's scenes pop up 😅

Why haven't you seen it? It is in my humble opinion a perfect film!

I've heard it's pretty amazing but my personal issue with Coppola gets in the way. There are quite a few filmmakers & actors on my naughty list, I just steer clear. It's not like the universe cares what's on rooprect's watchlist lol

So what did Coppola do to warrant your dislike? If you don't mind me asking.

Animal cruelty/killing on set is my hot button. The buffalo slaughter at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, and Coppola got away with it by claiming it was a ritual that he happened to film. That's what everyone believes because it comes from Coppola's mouth. But if you dig deeper you'll find interviews with the Ifugao tribe who say that Coppola brought in "truckloads of animals" every day for them to slaughter while he filmed it. (“Ifugao extras and the making of Apocalypse Now” if you can find it)

It should be pretty obvious from how artistically the scene is filmed from multiple cameras; this was no accidental filming of a secret ritual with Coppola hiding in the bushes with a camera. It was absolutely scripted, carefully lit, staged, choreographed and shot with precision. The Ifugao say that Coppola told them exactly how to sing & chant. I'll take the Ifugao's word over Coppola. They have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.

PS There are also credible allegations that the corpses in the movie were real, and Coppola paid various grave robbers to bring them. That's unsubstantiated but believable, considering how insane the shoot was. According to Dennis Hopper, everyone was so high on "every drug known to man" that nobody knew what was going on. And since it was all filmed in the Philippines with no oversight or accountability, I think the power got to Coppola's head and he did whatever he wanted--almost a real life Kurtz behind the camera. Who knows, maybe that's what made the movie great. But I can't sit through it, or any other movie of his, just thinking about it.

That's pretty grim. I have never seen Apocalypse Now (do NOT like war movies), so I can't speak to the atrocities. But the Vietnam War was pretty atrocious. May I ask how old you are?

lol to quote Captain Kirk, "You may ask...!"

I'll dodge giving a specific answer but let's just say late Gen X. Vietnam was well before my time. But I grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies like Good Morning Vietnam, Born on the 4th of July, Platoon, etc. When I was a kid I thought war movies were cool, but nowadays I don't like them either.

Apocalypse Now was based on the short story "Heart of Darkness" about the 1800s Belgian conquest of the Congo, and Coppola cleverly set it in Vietnam. So it's not really a war movie except superficially. It's about a psycho (Kurtz) who becomes a tyrannical ruler of his domain.

In the movie, Kurtz argues that in order to win a war you must become cruel, amoral and outright savage. That's why I think it's interesting that Coppola himself may have become Kurtz on the set, doing whatever questionable things he felt were necessary. I hate to admit it but it worked. Apocalypse Now is a great film.

So then you are in your mid-40s? Your parents were boomers, did your father go to Vietnam?

Nope, he immigrated to the USA in the 70s. I did have an uncle who was in Vietnam... he was always a bit disconnected, whether that was the reason or not. How about you, did you have any family members that went to Vietnam, and if so did they ever watch any Vietnam war movies?

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

That said, I haven't seen The Godfather but I'm sure it's a masterpiece. I think Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of the 70s. But just like watching Naked Gun, one of the funniest films ever made, it's kinda hard not to get distracted when OJ's scenes pop up 😅

Why haven't you seen it? It is in my humble opinion a perfect film!

I've heard it's pretty amazing but my personal issue with Coppola gets in the way. There are quite a few filmmakers & actors on my naughty list, I just steer clear. It's not like the universe cares what's on rooprect's watchlist lol

So what did Coppola do to warrant your dislike? If you don't mind me asking.

Animal cruelty/killing on set is my hot button. The buffalo slaughter at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, and Coppola got away with it by claiming it was a ritual that he happened to film. That's what everyone believes because it comes from Coppola's mouth. But if you dig deeper you'll find interviews with the Ifugao tribe who say that Coppola brought in "truckloads of animals" every day for them to slaughter while he filmed it. (“Ifugao extras and the making of Apocalypse Now” if you can find it)

It should be pretty obvious from how artistically the scene is filmed from multiple cameras; this was no accidental filming of a secret ritual with Coppola hiding in the bushes with a camera. It was absolutely scripted, carefully lit, staged, choreographed and shot with precision. The Ifugao say that Coppola told them exactly how to sing & chant. I'll take the Ifugao's word over Coppola. They have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.

PS There are also credible allegations that the corpses in the movie were real, and Coppola paid various grave robbers to bring them. That's unsubstantiated but believable, considering how insane the shoot was. According to Dennis Hopper, everyone was so high on "every drug known to man" that nobody knew what was going on. And since it was all filmed in the Philippines with no oversight or accountability, I think the power got to Coppola's head and he did whatever he wanted--almost a real life Kurtz behind the camera. Who knows, maybe that's what made the movie great. But I can't sit through it, or any other movie of his, just thinking about it.

That's pretty grim. I have never seen Apocalypse Now (do NOT like war movies), so I can't speak to the atrocities. But the Vietnam War was pretty atrocious. May I ask how old you are?

lol to quote Captain Kirk, "You may ask...!"

I'll dodge giving a specific answer but let's just say late Gen X. Vietnam was well before my time. But I grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies like Good Morning Vietnam, Born on the 4th of July, Platoon, etc. When I was a kid I thought war movies were cool, but nowadays I don't like them either.

Apocalypse Now was based on the short story "Heart of Darkness" about the 1800s Belgian conquest of the Congo, and Coppola cleverly set it in Vietnam. So it's not really a war movie except superficially. It's about a psycho (Kurtz) who becomes a tyrannical ruler of his domain.

In the movie, Kurtz argues that in order to win a war you must become cruel, amoral and outright savage. That's why I think it's interesting that Coppola himself may have become Kurtz on the set, doing whatever questionable things he felt were necessary. I hate to admit it but it worked. Apocalypse Now is a great film.

So then you are in your mid-40s? Your parents were boomers, did your father go to Vietnam?

Nope, he immigrated to the USA in the 70s. I did have an uncle who was in Vietnam... he was always a bit disconnected, whether that was the reason or not. How about you, did you have any family members that went to Vietnam, and if so did they ever watch any Vietnam war movies?

Where did he immigrate from?

My husband spent a year & a half in Vietnam, he came back an addict. I am a boomer, spent the late 60s & early 70s as a hippie! The smell of patchouli brings back all kinds of memories.

@bratface said:

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

That said, I haven't seen The Godfather but I'm sure it's a masterpiece. I think Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of the 70s. But just like watching Naked Gun, one of the funniest films ever made, it's kinda hard not to get distracted when OJ's scenes pop up 😅

Why haven't you seen it? It is in my humble opinion a perfect film!

I've heard it's pretty amazing but my personal issue with Coppola gets in the way. There are quite a few filmmakers & actors on my naughty list, I just steer clear. It's not like the universe cares what's on rooprect's watchlist lol

So what did Coppola do to warrant your dislike? If you don't mind me asking.

Animal cruelty/killing on set is my hot button. The buffalo slaughter at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, and Coppola got away with it by claiming it was a ritual that he happened to film. That's what everyone believes because it comes from Coppola's mouth. But if you dig deeper you'll find interviews with the Ifugao tribe who say that Coppola brought in "truckloads of animals" every day for them to slaughter while he filmed it. (“Ifugao extras and the making of Apocalypse Now” if you can find it)

It should be pretty obvious from how artistically the scene is filmed from multiple cameras; this was no accidental filming of a secret ritual with Coppola hiding in the bushes with a camera. It was absolutely scripted, carefully lit, staged, choreographed and shot with precision. The Ifugao say that Coppola told them exactly how to sing & chant. I'll take the Ifugao's word over Coppola. They have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.

PS There are also credible allegations that the corpses in the movie were real, and Coppola paid various grave robbers to bring them. That's unsubstantiated but believable, considering how insane the shoot was. According to Dennis Hopper, everyone was so high on "every drug known to man" that nobody knew what was going on. And since it was all filmed in the Philippines with no oversight or accountability, I think the power got to Coppola's head and he did whatever he wanted--almost a real life Kurtz behind the camera. Who knows, maybe that's what made the movie great. But I can't sit through it, or any other movie of his, just thinking about it.

That's pretty grim. I have never seen Apocalypse Now (do NOT like war movies), so I can't speak to the atrocities. But the Vietnam War was pretty atrocious. May I ask how old you are?

lol to quote Captain Kirk, "You may ask...!"

I'll dodge giving a specific answer but let's just say late Gen X. Vietnam was well before my time. But I grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies like Good Morning Vietnam, Born on the 4th of July, Platoon, etc. When I was a kid I thought war movies were cool, but nowadays I don't like them either.

Apocalypse Now was based on the short story "Heart of Darkness" about the 1800s Belgian conquest of the Congo, and Coppola cleverly set it in Vietnam. So it's not really a war movie except superficially. It's about a psycho (Kurtz) who becomes a tyrannical ruler of his domain.

In the movie, Kurtz argues that in order to win a war you must become cruel, amoral and outright savage. That's why I think it's interesting that Coppola himself may have become Kurtz on the set, doing whatever questionable things he felt were necessary. I hate to admit it but it worked. Apocalypse Now is a great film.

So then you are in your mid-40s? Your parents were boomers, did your father go to Vietnam?

Nope, he immigrated to the USA in the 70s. I did have an uncle who was in Vietnam... he was always a bit disconnected, whether that was the reason or not. How about you, did you have any family members that went to Vietnam, and if so did they ever watch any Vietnam war movies?

Where did he immigrate from?

My husband spent a year & a half in Vietnam, he came back an addict. I am a boomer, spent the late 60s & early 70s as a hippie! The smell of patchouli brings back all kinds of memories.

He came from Italy. That's crazy about your husband but I hear it was very common, unfortunately. I hope he beat the addiction without too much damage.

Wow so you were an OG hippie :) I have a question, at the risk of derailing this thread which I already derailed a couple posts ago... Do you remember any particular event that kick started the hippie movement? Or did it just slowly evolve?

I'm interested because I feel like the social & political conditions today might be brewing another hippie movement: a backlash to the ultra conservative tides, deep racial divisions, police brutality, the list goes on. But I wonder if, historically, there needs to be some catalyst for it to happen.

Sometimes I think that catalyst must come through the arts. In the 60s there were a ton of progressive filmmakers and of course the whole folk music movement was instrumental. Today I don't see any such catalyst in cinema or music, aside from the occasional voice that pops up. Nothing quite like the Beatles or Woodstock though. I think a hippie/progressive revival needs to be carried on the back of some powerful artistic movement such as that, but alas I don't see any. Your thoughts?

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

That said, I haven't seen The Godfather but I'm sure it's a masterpiece. I think Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of the 70s. But just like watching Naked Gun, one of the funniest films ever made, it's kinda hard not to get distracted when OJ's scenes pop up 😅

Why haven't you seen it? It is in my humble opinion a perfect film!

I've heard it's pretty amazing but my personal issue with Coppola gets in the way. There are quite a few filmmakers & actors on my naughty list, I just steer clear. It's not like the universe cares what's on rooprect's watchlist lol

So what did Coppola do to warrant your dislike? If you don't mind me asking.

Animal cruelty/killing on set is my hot button. The buffalo slaughter at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, and Coppola got away with it by claiming it was a ritual that he happened to film. That's what everyone believes because it comes from Coppola's mouth. But if you dig deeper you'll find interviews with the Ifugao tribe who say that Coppola brought in "truckloads of animals" every day for them to slaughter while he filmed it. (“Ifugao extras and the making of Apocalypse Now” if you can find it)

It should be pretty obvious from how artistically the scene is filmed from multiple cameras; this was no accidental filming of a secret ritual with Coppola hiding in the bushes with a camera. It was absolutely scripted, carefully lit, staged, choreographed and shot with precision. The Ifugao say that Coppola told them exactly how to sing & chant. I'll take the Ifugao's word over Coppola. They have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.

PS There are also credible allegations that the corpses in the movie were real, and Coppola paid various grave robbers to bring them. That's unsubstantiated but believable, considering how insane the shoot was. According to Dennis Hopper, everyone was so high on "every drug known to man" that nobody knew what was going on. And since it was all filmed in the Philippines with no oversight or accountability, I think the power got to Coppola's head and he did whatever he wanted--almost a real life Kurtz behind the camera. Who knows, maybe that's what made the movie great. But I can't sit through it, or any other movie of his, just thinking about it.

That's pretty grim. I have never seen Apocalypse Now (do NOT like war movies), so I can't speak to the atrocities. But the Vietnam War was pretty atrocious. May I ask how old you are?

lol to quote Captain Kirk, "You may ask...!"

I'll dodge giving a specific answer but let's just say late Gen X. Vietnam was well before my time. But I grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies like Good Morning Vietnam, Born on the 4th of July, Platoon, etc. When I was a kid I thought war movies were cool, but nowadays I don't like them either.

Apocalypse Now was based on the short story "Heart of Darkness" about the 1800s Belgian conquest of the Congo, and Coppola cleverly set it in Vietnam. So it's not really a war movie except superficially. It's about a psycho (Kurtz) who becomes a tyrannical ruler of his domain.

In the movie, Kurtz argues that in order to win a war you must become cruel, amoral and outright savage. That's why I think it's interesting that Coppola himself may have become Kurtz on the set, doing whatever questionable things he felt were necessary. I hate to admit it but it worked. Apocalypse Now is a great film.

So then you are in your mid-40s? Your parents were boomers, did your father go to Vietnam?

Nope, he immigrated to the USA in the 70s. I did have an uncle who was in Vietnam... he was always a bit disconnected, whether that was the reason or not. How about you, did you have any family members that went to Vietnam, and if so did they ever watch any Vietnam war movies?

Where did he immigrate from?

My husband spent a year & a half in Vietnam, he came back an addict. I am a boomer, spent the late 60s & early 70s as a hippie! The smell of patchouli brings back all kinds of memories.

He came from Italy. That's crazy about your husband but I hear it was very common, unfortunately. I hope he beat the addiction without too much damage.

Wow so you were an OG hippie :) I have a question, at the risk of derailing this thread which I already derailed a couple posts ago... Do you remember any particular event that kick started the hippie movement? Or did it just slowly evolve?

I'm interested because I feel like the social & political conditions today might be brewing another hippie movement: a backlash to the ultra conservative tides, deep racial divisions, police brutality, the list goes on. But I wonder if, historically, there needs to be some catalyst for it to happen.

Sometimes I think that catalyst must come through the arts. In the 60s there were a ton of progressive filmmakers and of course the whole folk music movement was instrumental. Today I don't see any such catalyst in cinema or music, aside from the occasional voice that pops up. Nothing quite like the Beatles or Woodstock though. I think a hippie/progressive revival needs to be carried on the back of some powerful artistic movement such as that, but alas I don't see any. Your thoughts?

The Vietnam War & the 'Civil Rights' movement were, in my opinion, the biggest! Everything changed so much in the 60s & 70s. Music, films, clothing, etc. It was very cool to see it happen. The 'newer' generations like to disparage 'Boomers' but we made things happen & created most of the technology that they love so much.

@bratface said:

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

@rooprect said:

@bratface said:

That said, I haven't seen The Godfather but I'm sure it's a masterpiece. I think Coppola is one of the greatest filmmakers of the 70s. But just like watching Naked Gun, one of the funniest films ever made, it's kinda hard not to get distracted when OJ's scenes pop up 😅

Why haven't you seen it? It is in my humble opinion a perfect film!

I've heard it's pretty amazing but my personal issue with Coppola gets in the way. There are quite a few filmmakers & actors on my naughty list, I just steer clear. It's not like the universe cares what's on rooprect's watchlist lol

So what did Coppola do to warrant your dislike? If you don't mind me asking.

Animal cruelty/killing on set is my hot button. The buffalo slaughter at the end of Apocalypse Now was real, and Coppola got away with it by claiming it was a ritual that he happened to film. That's what everyone believes because it comes from Coppola's mouth. But if you dig deeper you'll find interviews with the Ifugao tribe who say that Coppola brought in "truckloads of animals" every day for them to slaughter while he filmed it. (“Ifugao extras and the making of Apocalypse Now” if you can find it)

It should be pretty obvious from how artistically the scene is filmed from multiple cameras; this was no accidental filming of a secret ritual with Coppola hiding in the bushes with a camera. It was absolutely scripted, carefully lit, staged, choreographed and shot with precision. The Ifugao say that Coppola told them exactly how to sing & chant. I'll take the Ifugao's word over Coppola. They have nothing to gain or lose by telling the truth.

PS There are also credible allegations that the corpses in the movie were real, and Coppola paid various grave robbers to bring them. That's unsubstantiated but believable, considering how insane the shoot was. According to Dennis Hopper, everyone was so high on "every drug known to man" that nobody knew what was going on. And since it was all filmed in the Philippines with no oversight or accountability, I think the power got to Coppola's head and he did whatever he wanted--almost a real life Kurtz behind the camera. Who knows, maybe that's what made the movie great. But I can't sit through it, or any other movie of his, just thinking about it.

That's pretty grim. I have never seen Apocalypse Now (do NOT like war movies), so I can't speak to the atrocities. But the Vietnam War was pretty atrocious. May I ask how old you are?

lol to quote Captain Kirk, "You may ask...!"

I'll dodge giving a specific answer but let's just say late Gen X. Vietnam was well before my time. But I grew up watching a lot of Vietnam movies like Good Morning Vietnam, Born on the 4th of July, Platoon, etc. When I was a kid I thought war movies were cool, but nowadays I don't like them either.

Apocalypse Now was based on the short story "Heart of Darkness" about the 1800s Belgian conquest of the Congo, and Coppola cleverly set it in Vietnam. So it's not really a war movie except superficially. It's about a psycho (Kurtz) who becomes a tyrannical ruler of his domain.

In the movie, Kurtz argues that in order to win a war you must become cruel, amoral and outright savage. That's why I think it's interesting that Coppola himself may have become Kurtz on the set, doing whatever questionable things he felt were necessary. I hate to admit it but it worked. Apocalypse Now is a great film.

So then you are in your mid-40s? Your parents were boomers, did your father go to Vietnam?

Nope, he immigrated to the USA in the 70s. I did have an uncle who was in Vietnam... he was always a bit disconnected, whether that was the reason or not. How about you, did you have any family members that went to Vietnam, and if so did they ever watch any Vietnam war movies?

Where did he immigrate from?

My husband spent a year & a half in Vietnam, he came back an addict. I am a boomer, spent the late 60s & early 70s as a hippie! The smell of patchouli brings back all kinds of memories.

He came from Italy. That's crazy about your husband but I hear it was very common, unfortunately. I hope he beat the addiction without too much damage.

Wow so you were an OG hippie :) I have a question, at the risk of derailing this thread which I already derailed a couple posts ago... Do you remember any particular event that kick started the hippie movement? Or did it just slowly evolve?

I'm interested because I feel like the social & political conditions today might be brewing another hippie movement: a backlash to the ultra conservative tides, deep racial divisions, police brutality, the list goes on. But I wonder if, historically, there needs to be some catalyst for it to happen.

Sometimes I think that catalyst must come through the arts. In the 60s there were a ton of progressive filmmakers and of course the whole folk music movement was instrumental. Today I don't see any such catalyst in cinema or music, aside from the occasional voice that pops up. Nothing quite like the Beatles or Woodstock though. I think a hippie/progressive revival needs to be carried on the back of some powerful artistic movement such as that, but alas I don't see any. Your thoughts?

The Vietnam War & the 'Civil Rights' movement were, in my opinion, the biggest! Everything changed so much in the 60s & 70s. Music, films, clothing, etc. It was very cool to see it happen. The 'newer' generations like to disparage 'Boomers' but we made things happen & created most of the technology that they love so much.

Newer generation here. I have mad respect for the members of the older generations who got shit done but I have zero respect for those who sit by nowadays and behave as though we're deviants just because we don't share their newfound apathy, and of course those who sat by back then and did !@#$ all get the least respect when they criticize us for daring to challenge the status quo nowadays. Just chiming in, in defense of "generation zombie".