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Just wondering because his version of 7 of 9 is way off

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Even the "big" counties in Europe are small compared to the US, especially in terms of geography even more than population. And despite criticism from people who often live in "glass houses" - or "glass countries" - the US has a far more diverse population than much of the world.

It might be helpful to think of the US states and districts as being another level of something like cities in usually-much-smaller countries. People who live in Paris don't - and shouldn't - have any more power over Marseille, for example, than California or New York over Alabama or Colorado, or what-have-you.

Well we have like somewhere between 15-20 parties to choose from how about diversity.

It isn't diversity if they're all - or mostly - white men/women. Or in the case of Netherlands, all/mostly Dutch men/women. Or in the case of Spain, all Spanish men/women. etc. How many parties do you have with members who publicly say they hate the country? Well, meet Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, etc. Even the Obamas really, who (at least the wife) claimed to have not loved/been proud of the US until Barack was elected. And now they probably don't love it again.

And parliamentary systems have their own problems, which seem to get worse with size. A country the size of the US, with a parliamentary system? Yeesh. And the world should be grateful that it DOESN'T have that, considering WW I, and WW II, etc. A parliamentary system of that size might still be arguing over what to do about the Nazis.

@Knixon said:

It isn't diversity if they're all - or mostly - white men/women. Or in the case of Netherlands, all/mostly Dutch men/women. Or in the case of Spain, all Spanish men/women. etc. How many parties do you have with members who publicly say they hate the country? Well, meet Rashida Tlaib, Ilhan Omar, etc. Even the Obamas really, who (at least the wife) claimed to have not loved/been proud of the US until Barack was elected. And now they probably don't love it again.

And parliamentary systems have their own problems, which seem to get worse with size. A country the size of the US, with a parliamentary system? Yeesh. And the world should be grateful that it DOESN'T have that, considering WW I, and WW II, etc. A parliamentary system of that size might still be arguing over what to do about the Nazis.

Notice guys the person you all thought was being misunderstood or misconstrued by me, notice the naked RACISM in Knixon's BEST defense against the very racism I alledged. Knixon loves to sprinkle politics in EVERY post he makes, yet when confronted with a clear political argument Knixon's RACISM wins out!

Knixon's answer to my refuting his'gerrymandering is not a problem'argument is to BE MORE RACIST!!! His argument is essentially "well other societies where racism has been removed have NOT worked". He is referring to South Africa! That's his shining example of why America should continue it's racist politics! Because South Africa hasn't worked!!!! Notice, Knixon hasn't denied ONE thing I wrote! He hasn't bothered to mount a defense of his previous ridiculous point. Knixon is ESSENTIALLY agreeing with me folks! That he is a big RACIST and that he supports Trump because of it! I always knew it, did you?!?!

Nexus, my dear fool, I never said you were being paid, no!. You sir are being DUPED because you are basically a RACIST yourself. You don't vote in America but your POV is being stoked in the general interest of White Supremacy! This is being done in a effort to replicate Trump in Europe. Ask Knixon, Trump's thinkers are busy advising RIGHT WONDERS IN EUROPE on how best to stoke up white resentment in Europe! Don't pretend as if you don't know this stuff guys!!!

Just yesterday American's in Wisconsin were forced to vote in a freaking PANDEMIC because Rep. wanted to dilute the minority vote! So while we discuss movies with some none partisanship, let's NOT forget that the Right Wing with a criminal and morally bankrupt President is already looking for EVERY OPPORTUNITY to CHEAT their way back into the White House!

Republicans say we can't afford Medicare for All because it costs too much! Yet suddenly there is enough money to give Trump $4 to $6 TRILLION to hand out to his 1% buddies with almost NO QUESTIONS ASKED. Trump has already replaced the person selected to overseer the distribution of thirds emergency money. $250 billion for small business and for individual Americans$1200 each, if you earn less than $99 a year!

Sadly for Knixon and Nexus (if he were American) NONE of these $$$ are going to the people who are going to line up like SHEEP to derelict him! No, Trump is only using these IDIOTS racism to help him STEAL!!!!!

Still wondering how the hell this turned into a stupid political argument let me put it frankly both sides of the aisle suck they are all in it to help themselves nothing more. The only ones I come close to trusting are the independents.

@mcse2000ca said:

Still wondering how the hell this turned into a stupid political argument let me put it frankly both sides of the aisle suck they are all in it to help themselves nothing more. The only ones I come close to trusting are the independents.

I agree. This thread turned into a class I never signed up for with each poster giving a lecture I don't care about.

@Invidia said:

This thread turned into a class I never signed up for with each poster giving a lecture I don't care about.

Then simply STOP WATCHING and CLICKING onto the THREAD and/or CLICK the IGNORE OPTION that is AVAILABLE to you.

And do you really think EVERYONE else is impressed with or always LIKES EVERYTHING that you have to say???

Before throwing STONES at others, try to remember how you also live in a GLASS HOUSE yourself due to the way one could also list other messages posted by you that one didn't appreciate either.

But at least we others also don't keep WHINING about it the way you do.

rolling_eyes

And Because the LAST MESSAGE posted here also OBVIOUSLY ADDRESSES the ISSUE that was put forth in the OP:

his version of 7 of 9 is way off

And explains in DEPTH and DETAIL the reasons WHY the PICARD VERSION of 7 of 9 is NOT WAY OFF due to the way it PARALLELS and corresponds to what's currently taking place here in our OWN WORLD at the present time.

princess_tone1

Ok when did the federation change so drastically from how it was for over 100 years and become a bunch of assholes?

Nexus, my dear fool, I never said you were being paid, no!. You sir are being DUPED because you are basically a RACIST yourself. You don't vote in America but your POV is being stoked in the general interest of White Supremacy! This is being done in a effort to replicate Trump in Europe. Ask Knixon, Trump's thinkers are busy advising RIGHT WONDERS IN EUROPE on how best to stoke up white resentment in Europe! Don't pretend as if you don't know this stuff guys!!!

You really don't know shit about me so that whole white supremacy thing is total and utter bulshit I never voted for any right wing or populist party in all my life .I actually have been a member of the Socialist Party for almost 20 years and I know damn well that those right wing /populist parties here are funded or at least have socio-political roots in the US (which is why I never voted for them since they often think politics and making laws is simple but generally forget about the intricasies or general picture and politics doesn't work that way).I am neither a racist nor misogynist since I always had friends of color and in general I more easily connect with women.I have always treated everybody with respect and as my equals but.... over the last three decades our government has tried everything to get more women and immigrants to work and in more positions of power in fact we even had a period where preference was given to somebody with a foreign background or a female over a white male when it came to applying for jobs (especially in the public sector).Which defacto meant that white native Dutchmen were discriminated in their own country!!! But most of these programs for various reasons failed(and no not because of racisme) so they kinda came back from that.

Apart from that in my country now every minority has his support groups special laws are made for these groups etc .As a matter of fact we actually have two parties specifically for immigrants in our current house of representatives although one seems to have way too many links with Sultan Erdogan making them effectively his stooges in the Netherlands. So don't you dare call me a racist when you yourself have proven on many occassions how racist you are maybe in stead of whinning and complaining about white racism and white privilege one could actually do something about ones own situation.And if you think whitey gets everything handed out on a platter I got news for you mon ami life is hard and a struggle with set backs etc for most of us even white folks(and I sure had my fair share but I 'm not complaining about that).

Sadly for Knixon and Nexus (if he were A.merican) NONE of these $$$ are going to the people who are going to line up like SHEEP to derelict him! No, Trump is only using these IDIOTS racism to help him STEAL!!!!!

Well if it wasn't for Trump your precious CBS wouldn't get a 30 milion tax cut so they can keep making your precious Picard so your argument is hypocrite .And like I said I hate Trump as a lot of Europeans (guess you overlooked the "Warm" reception Trump got in the UK).And our Prime minister was one of the first foreign leaders who publicly said no to Trump.So overal no warm feeling over here either.And your assertion that all these Youtubers are rightwing plead for money etc etc is far from the truth you don't have to subscribe you don't have to donate to their channels it's all up to the viewer if he really likes what he sees and hears or use it as a platform to discuss his issues with current nerd culture he can subscribe or donate money (how much depends on the viewer).As matter of fact Nerdrotic being a former comic book store keeper himself is donating $1000 to a comic book store (since that industry is now on the verge of going bankrupt and the comic book stores with them)because of the current crisis and what have companies like Marvel,Disney,DCUand WB done to help those comic book stores after making billions in comic book adaptations NOTHING!!.And agreeing with somebody's opinion on certain parts of the entertainment industry doesn't mean one shares their political persuasions dumbass your reasoning is that of a child.

Just because I cite somebody who is better at explaining why one doesn't like certain thing or disagrees with certain things doesn't mean I have come to the same conclusions or opinions plus these links often show actual clips of the show so that one can see and judge for yourself.Star Trek fandom use to be that people from all walks of life and political persuasions could come and discuss something we all loved but the previous head honchos at CBS and people like Kurtzman and Chabon deliberately politicized Star Trek with their biased kindergarden political bullshit and being disrespectful to loyal paying customers(some for over five decades)in order to draw in a non existent new woke fandom( which failed miserably ) and causing a rift among fans.So in stead of keep drawing me into your BS arguments and me being so bad bla bla bla one maybe should take some distance and look at ones own fanatical almost fascist behaviour when defending a company and people who are only in it for the money and don't care about making good Star Trek or writing a good inspirational or even a consistent story(with plotholes the size of a Borg Cube).And have these people shown any interest or charity towards the community that supports them ?NONE

So maybe in stead of soap boxing and attacking posters here you should attack the media who support this nonsense and support privileged entitled talentless thieves like Kurtzman and Chabon who haven't had a day of working hard all their lives who are just using you and their political bullshit to cover up the fact they just are stealing stuff 1 on 1 from other sources because they can't write a decent story by themselves or are just using Star Trek as a means to get to do the things they really want to do.And since K C and the CBS All Access Band have a history of blatantly lying to the fans(again and again) who do you suspect I would rather believe and pay?K C and the CBS All Access Band and their paid for Media with their biased BS political propaganda and or a man who is oppionated about Brexit when he hasn't lived in the UK for almost three decades? or some Youtubers who give their opinion on channels which for most of them is a labour of love and financial gain is not the primary objective certainly when the things different reviewers are similar things they criticize? So in stead of attacking me and putting labels on me one perhaps should ask the question who here is the bigger hypocrite? If Kurtzman and Chabon want to lecture their audience they should have applied to PBS not to Star Trek but wait PBS probably has standards.

Why would I if a guy on youtube is better in putting into words what I don't like or I agree with not use that to ilustrate with what I think is wrong you do the same thing Invidia you keep qouting sources that you believe supports your theory so why can't I ? Is itbecause I am a white male and you are a woman and therefore should demean my opinion as not valid.And I have described several scenes for you and if you had actually listened to the very long reviews you would have known these reviews describe a Picard episode scene by scene.So if you want to watch the show so eagerly why not pay the money and show how much you love the show put your money where your mouth is.I for one from what I have heard and seen am not impressed and I will very very likely be disappointed by Picard that it doesn't persuade me to watch it period if thet is so fucking hard to understand?Maybe I should give a literary example (so you understand) when you go to a library and pick a book for fun to read and don't know the author don't you read the summary on the backside whether you find the story worth reading or not?Same principle...

I hope you understand how incredibly stupid and paranoid your previous post was what is there to prove it's an oppinion just one you don't share period!And enough with the political nonsense we were having a fun discussion here untill you two party poopers came in now go off and add to your other monologues here on this board. And sure you can post anywhere but when you are reacting to a thread you know where negative things are going to be said maybe you should ask yourself that the thread was not meant for you just like Kurtzman says that his new Trek isn't for people who support the Orange guy. 😝

@Nexus71 said:

Nexus, my dear fool, I never said you were being paid, no!. You sir are being DUPED because you are basically a RACIST yourself. You don't vote in America but your POV is being stoked in the general interest of White Supremacy! This is being done in a effort to replicate Trump in Europe. Ask Knixon, Trump's thinkers are busy advising RIGHT WONDERS IN EUROPE on how best to stoke up white resentment in Europe! Don't pretend as if you don't know this stuff guys!!!

You really don't know shit about me so that whole white supremacy thing is total and utter bulshit I never voted for any right wing or populist party in all my life .I actually have been a member of the Socialist Party for almost 20 years and I know damn well that those right wing /populist parties here are funded or at least have socio-political roots in the US (which is why I never voted for them since they often think politics and making laws is simple but generally forget about the intricasies or general picture and politics doesn't work that way).I am neither a racist nor misogynist since I always had friends of color and in general I more easily connect with women.I have always treated everybody with respect and as my equals but.... over the last three decades our government has tried everything to get more women and immigrants to work and in more positions of power in fact we even had a period where preference was given to somebody with a foreign background or a female over a white male when it came to applying for jobs (especially in the public sector).Which defacto meant that white native Dutchmen were discriminated in their own country!!! But most of these programs for various reasons failed(and no not because of racisme) so they kinda came back from that.

Apart from that in my country now every minority has his support groups special laws are made for these groups etc .As a matter of fact we actually have two parties specifically for immigrants in our current house of representatives although one seems to have way too many links with Sultan Erdogan making them effectively his stooges in the Netherlands. So don't you dare call me a racist when you yourself have proven on many occassions how racist you are maybe in stead of whinning and complaining about white racism and white privilege one could actually do something about ones own situation.And if you think whitey gets everything handed out on a platter I got news for you mon ami life is hard and a struggle with set backs etc for most of us even white folks(and I sure had my fair share but I 'm not complaining about that).

Sadly for Knixon and Nexus (if he were A.merican) NONE of these $$$ are going to the people who are going to line up like SHEEP to derelict him! No, Trump is only using these IDIOTS racism to help him STEAL!!!!!

Well if it wasn't for Trump your precious CBS wouldn't get a 30 milion tax cut so they can keep making your precious Picard so your argument is hypocrite .And like I said I hate Trump as a lot of Europeans (guess you overlooked the "Warm" reception Trump got in the UK).And our Prime minister was one of the first foreign leaders who publicly said no to Trump.So overal no warm feeling over here either.And your assertion that all these Youtubers are rightwing plead for money etc etc is far from the truth you don't have to subscribe you don't have to donate to their channels it's all up to the viewer if he really likes what he sees and hears or use it as a platform to discuss his issues with current nerd culture he can subscribe or donate money (how much depends on the viewer).As matter of fact Nerdrotic being a former comic book store keeper himself is donating $1000 to a comic book store (since that industry is now on the verge of going bankrupt and the comic book stores with them)because of the current crisis and what have companies like Marvel,Disney,DCUand WB done to help those comic book stores after making billions in comic book adaptations NOTHING!!.And agreeing with somebody's opinion on certain parts of the entertainment industry doesn't mean one shares their political persuasions dumbass your reasoning is that of a child.

Just because I cite somebody who is better at explaining why one doesn't like certain thing or disagrees with certain things doesn't mean I have come to the same conclusions or opinions plus these links often show actual clips of the show so that one can see and judge for yourself.Star Trek fandom use to be that people from all walks of life and political persuasions could come and discuss something we all loved but the previous head honchos at CBS and people like Kurtzman and Chabon deliberately politicized Star Trek with their biased kindergarden political bullshit and being disrespectful to loyal paying customers(some for over five decades)in order to draw in a non existent new woke fandom( which failed miserably ) and causing a rift among fans.So in stead of keep drawing me into your BS arguments and me being so bad bla bla bla one maybe should take some distance and look at ones own fanatical almost fascist behaviour when defending a company and people who are only in it for the money and don't care about making good Star Trek or writing a good inspirational or even a consistent story(with plotholes the size of a Borg Cube).And have these people shown any interest or charity towards the community that supports them ?NONE

So maybe in stead of soap boxing and attacking posters here you should attack the media who support this nonsense and support privileged entitled talentless thieves like Kurtzman and Chabon who haven't had a day of working hard all their lives who are just using you and their political bullshit to cover up the fact they just are stealing stuff 1 on 1 from other sources because they can't write a decent story by themselves or are just using Star Trek as a means to get to do the things they really want to do.And since K C and the CBS All Access Band have a history of blatantly lying to the fans(again and again) who do you suspect I would rather believe and pay?K C and the CBS All Access Band and their paid for Media with their biased BS political propaganda and or a man who is oppionated about Brexit when he hasn't lived in the UK for almost three decades? or some Youtubers who give their opinion on channels which for most of them is a labour of love and financial gain is not the primary objective certainly when the things different reviewers are similar things they criticize? So in stead of attacking me and putting labels on me one perhaps should ask the question who here is the bigger hypocrite? If Kurtzman and Chabon want to lecture their audience they should have applied to PBS not to Star Trek but wait PBS probably has standards.

Same here Nexus I guess us socialists are the new right wing scum bags just because we call out a movement of bullshit that is the SJW movement.

It's the same with the CULT members who are the FAN BASE of the SCAM MAN. They also CANNOT tell you the reasons why they have the OPINIONS they REPEAT that they've heard him saying (because they are also NOT THEIR OWN OPINIONS and are merely something they're REPEATING that they've heard him saying).

Because you are the only one here showing Cultist behaviour when you attack my every posts While I have given various examples and proof in the past which you simply dismiss because it contradicts a show you like(although never seen it).And for the last time about Mikey Spock she has extreme moodswings from being arrogant,almost abusive aggressive moment to other moments when she is overly emotional on the verge of tears which certainly considering her Vulcan upbringing makes no sense sure she might have a saviour complex but some of that Vulcan keeping your emotions under control must have rubbed off on her and considering she went to the Vulcan Science Academy I assume such extreme emotional behaviour would not be tolerated.And that is the last thing on the bi-polar stuff.

You all are too obsessed with this show. That you haven't seen. Or want to. Mental cases.

The clinical term is Wackadooole. Or wackadoodlitis. I don't have it myself because my mother had me tested. You all struggle from it. My condolences. The way I see it Nex and Knix were having a political chat then Spear comes in and sets them off. Then you come in and it's all over the cliff. Then I come in and there we go. Also this Michael you both speak of isn't bi anything. She is fictional. I don't have to prove this. I will find a link from a professional prover to prove it for me. Or a mask wearing, boob flashing youtuber. Take your pick. 😜🤪

Now back to the original post. Mirror world 7. Last we saw her she was developing nicely. Now on Picard she has regressed to a primal state. Also since she spent most of her life as a Borg why would anything going on in the federation upset her? She's already seen worse. No star-trek show has ever really shown what life is like on earth. It could have been a mess all along.

Oh Invidia the problem with your long posts is that you bring in 10 other topics to ponder.

  1. You have a degree in Literature and Psychology. Which just gives Knix even more ammo to lob at you.

  2. Being obsessed or obsessive about something is not the same as having a clinically diagnosed issue.

  3. In real Star Trek no on goes to thearpy. If you have a problem you just take Shore leave on Risa. Or if you're Chekov, Russia. Or become an Admiral. Or phaser yourself.

  4. Last time 7 was not a full on Borg she was a child. She now might be going through a rebelious teen phase. Or homesick for the Borgcube. Or wondering how the heck she ended up with Chochotay. Maybe she hit him with his medicine bag and took off.

  5. Why is the 1940s the favorite decade both to go back to or play at in the Holodeck ?

That's only five.

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