@joshgallet said:

Savitar, in this ep, says Barry's the reason he exists and something happens to create Savitar (or change some1 into the Savitar) ... if I understand it correctly. So is that "something" when Wally gets sucked into the speed force and then Savitar escapes. Did Wally get turned into Savitar?

wow thats a good story line but doubt they would go with it... they wouldnt want to tarnish a central character like wally in that way.

@joshgallet said:

Savitar, in this ep, says Barry's the reason he exists and something happens to create Savitar (or change some1 into the Savitar) ... if I understand it correctly. So is that "something" when Wally gets sucked into the speed force and then Savitar escapes. Did Wally get turned into Savitar?

Man! Honestly, if this happened, CW would be taking it up a notch, and since we're talking about the CW, I don't think this is going to happen.

Yes, I think Wally is Savitar. When Savitar was talking through Julian in the lab, he seemed very familiar with the group.

@Duke815 said:

Yes, I think Wally is Savitar. When Savitar was talking through Julian in the lab, he seemed very familiar with the group.

I'm going to watch this again this weekend. I knew he was familiar with the group, but you're saying Wally returned to kill his own sister. This is a lot to handle.

@shenandoahok said:

I'm going to watch this again this weekend. I knew he was familiar with the group, but you're saying Wally returned to kill his own sister. This is a lot to handle.

If Wally is Savitar then it means he created himself (Savitar creates Alchemy > Alchemy turns Wally into Kid Flash > Wally falls into the Speedforce and turns into Savitar) Wally/Savitar could easily blame Barry for all of it:

• Wally caused Flasghpoint (no Kid Flash without flashpoint)
• Barry pushed Wally to be the one to confront Savitar making him feel inadequate
• Barry kinda just stood there as he was being sucked into the speed force

Given this circular causation, and the gang's overall failure to change anything of significance he may consider his sister's death unavoidable; fate. Submitting to fatalism could make him feel he is no longer responsible for killing her because there is no free will - it already happened so it must happen again.

If Wally is Savitar, I think this will be the moment they save both Wally & Iris - convincing Savitar / Wally right at the moment he is about to kill her that he does have a choice

Great insights - I didnt even go that far in thinking about it - but that could be right.

The only other thing I thought, is that it could be future Barry. The reason is because twice in the last episode Savitar said "I'm the future, Flash" and I just found it odd he said it 2 different times. Because he could also be telling on himself by saying "I'm the Future Flash" - guess we'll find out (hopefully) soon who is under the mask.

Edit - also let's not forget about Future Barry's message to Rip on Legends of Tomorrow. Every1 assumed it was tied to trusting him during the big crossover event, when actually it could be tied to him being Savitar

I'm with joshgallet. There are a lot of websites supporting the "Future Barry being Savitar" theory.Also,Savitar mentioned how Cisco didn't follow up on Reverb's suggestion about him becoming a God.Barry Allen was the ONLY one who witnessed that conversation.So Savitar HAS to be Barry Allen because only Cisco,Reverb and Barry heard that conversation.