@Fairyfish wrote:

Item: Diplomacy is an Art
Type of Problem: Incorrect_content
Extra Details: All ten episodes are of 'Wendy' (English title: Riding High)

Thanks for your reports!

Two general things for the future:

1.) Please send only 1 report for an issue like this one. It's completely fine to explain in the extra details that the whole season is wrong, instead of creating reports for every episode. I'm going to hide all the other reports in a few - otherwise it's a bit confusing.

2.) TMDb usually uses pages that are older with a lower TMDb ID - rather than creating a new entry, move IDs, and delete the old. Meaning -> I moved the IDs back, and copied the poster that you uploaded, and I'm going to delete the newly created entry in a few. That means -> you can add all the data for this show here:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/28921-riding-high

Now it gets complicated!

I did a bit research about this show, and I'm not sure when it first aired? At first I thought it aired only in German, but there are 2 clips on YouTube with the original title "Riding High" in the opening sequence and characters speaking English before the closing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsYQVLcIU10 -> Opening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYrLRhBwxeA -> Closing

The series was filmed in New Zealand by production company South Pacific Pictures Production in 1995/1996, the world-wide distributor was HIT Entertainment (which now belongs to Mattel), and involved was also the Wendy Promotions Limited, a company from the UK (I think). I tried to find out which tv channel logo that is in the YouTube Clip - but I couldn't find it.

It could be that this is only a test episode for promotion - but I think it's actually a release on an English tv channel, and most likely the first airing of this show. But I couldn't find out more, unfortunately. The only hint I found was on the official website of one of the actors of this series, Kieren Hutchison, here:

http://www.kierenhutchison.com/E/eWORK/Guest/wendy/RidHigh.html

It states at the end: "It started airing in New Zealand at the end of December 1995, being aired once a week." So, this logo might be a logo from a tv station in New Zealand in 1995 - I couldn't find it, yet.

Also, this website of Kieren Hutchison provides lists of episodes in German and English:

English: http://www.kierenhutchison.com/E/eWORK/Guest/wendy/RidHigh_episodes.html
German: http://www.kierenhutchison.de/D/dARBEIT/Gast/Wendy_Folgen.html

But, at the bottom of the English page, there's the following note: "According to HIT Entertainment there weren't any titles for the episodes in English, therefore I listed the German titles and put a translation behind them." This means the English airing had no titles, only episode 1, episode 2, etc. We shouldn't add the English titles to TMDb, I think.

The first German airing was on network RTL II; all data is here: https://www.fernsehserien.de/wendy-1995/episodenguide. But we can't use those dates for TMDb because it looks like the English release in New Zealand was earlier. (Most of the German dubbed episodes are also on YouTube in a playlist.)

I stop the research here; I'm too tired to continue. What I would like to find out is the tv station in New Zealand ...

Update:

I stop the research here; I'm too tired to continue. What I would like to find out is the tv station in New Zealand ...

I found it!

There's a national television archive for New Zealand with an ability to search old stuff here:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/search

When you search for "Riding High", you'll get results for each episode with a release date, an episode description, the important crew members:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&text=%22riding+high%22

I'm not sure if it's complete, but I trust this data -> I think we can add all this to TMDb. The only problem: The show aired from December 31st, 1995 to September 21st, 1996 in New Zealand - and this collides with the German broadcast from May 9th 1996 to August 12th 1996. I'm not sure what we should do - I think I've never seen such a case before.

And about the tv channel -> I'm pretty sure it's "TVNZ 1". The logo in the YouTube clip is the number 1, and there's a result in the NZ database from a news show on TVNZ that promotes the casting of the main star:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/catalogue/catalogue-item?record_id=475149

I think that's enough evidence.

Please let me know if you want to add all episodes to TMDb yourself or if I should take care of it. I'm not sure when I find the time - but I guess it's the same for you.

Well, thank you for the warm welcome and your dedication! General things are noted and I'll be less of a a pain next time, I promise. It's my first report and I'm still figuring TVDB out.

On to the nitty-gritty:

@janar72 said:

Update:

I stop the research here; I'm too tired to continue. What I would like to find out is the tv station in New Zealand ...

I found it!

There's a national television archive for New Zealand with an ability to search old stuff here:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/search

When you search for "Riding High", you'll get results for each episode with a release date, an episode description, the important crew members:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&text=%22riding+high%22

Great!

I'm not sure if it's complete, but I trust this data -> I think we can add all this to TMDb. The only problem: The show aired from December 31st, 1995 to September 21st, 1996 in New Zealand - and this collides with the German broadcast from May 9th 1996 to August 12th 1996. I'm not sure what we should do - I think I've never seen such a case before.

Ugh. I think I thought of that question while working on another show yesterday... It seems like we shouldn't have touched this series, who knows what'll be creeping out next I guess there are two paths to take from here: add all NZ original dates as it definitely started airing earlier. Or: add whichever's air date is earlier to each episode, although i would imply a switch between TV stations. I guess I prefer the second one... but man, that's difficult.

And about the tv channel -> I'm pretty sure it's "TVNZ 1". The logo in the YouTube clip is the number 1, and there's a result in the NZ database from a news show on TVNZ that promotes the casting of the main star:

https://www.ngataonga.org.nz/collections/catalogue/catalogue-item?record_id=475149

I think that's enough evidence.

I did a quick search and came across Logopedia. For TVNZ 1, the data looks complete and reliable, but out emblem is not in it... I read it an an "i" though, too. The closest I got was i98FM, but that's an Australian radio station... At this point, I'd consider asking if anyone knows the logo. Wikipedia could be a good try, but maybe the NZ archive also would be willing to help. There is no archive like fernsehserien.de for NZ/English broadcasts, is there? Such would name the channel it aired on...

Please let me know if you want to add all episodes to TMDb yourself or if I should take care of it. I'm not sure when I find the time - but I guess it's the same for you.

I'm not great friends with IMDb's update protocol. First time I edited something, I got really lost and I haven't gotten back ever since, so I'm not to keen on it, lol. So you're welcome to do it.

@Fairyfish wrote:

Well, thank you for the warm welcome and your dedication! General things are noted and I'll be less of a a pain next time, I promise. It's my first report and I'm still figuring TVDB out.

(Do you mean TMDb or TVDB?)

Ugh. I think I thought of that question while working on another show yesterday... It seems like we shouldn't have touched this series, who knows what'll be creeping out next
I guess there are two paths to take from here: add all NZ original dates as it definitely started airing earlier. Or: add whichever's air date is earlier to each episode, although i would imply a switch between TV stations.
I guess I prefer the second one... but man, that's difficult.

I also prefer the second one, but it sounds really complicated.

I did a quick search and came across Logopedia. For TVNZ 1, the data looks complete and reliable, but out emblem is not in it... I read it an an "i" though, too. The closest I got was i98FM, but that's an Australian radio station... At this point, I'd consider asking if anyone knows the logo. Wikipedia could be a good try, but maybe the NZ archive also would be willing to help. There is no archive like fernsehserien.de for NZ/English broadcasts, is there? Such would name the channel it aired on...

About the logo: I'm not sure, I think you're right, it's an "i". I also thought: What if the YouTube clip isn't from the first release in New Zealand? It could be from any time later? Maybe the logo is a bad piece of evidence?!?

About another archive: No, I don't think so. Well, at least I don't know of any ...

I'm not great friends with IMDb's update protocol. First time I edited something, I got really lost and I haven't gotten back ever since, so I'm not to keen on it, lol. So you're welcome to do it.

I'm confused: Do you mean IMDb or TMDb? I was asking if you want to add all the data here on TMDb, meaning to this entry here:

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/28921-riding-high

Or do you primarily work on TVDb, meaning here:

https://www.thetvdb.com/series/riding-high

Or we could do it separately and compare at the end?!?

@janar72 said:

Well, thank you for the warm welcome and your dedication! General things are noted and I'll be less of a a pain next time, I promise. It's my first report and I'm still figuring TVDB out.

(Do you mean TMDb or TVDB?)

Well, both? In this case, I was referring to TMDb, though.

Ugh. I think I thought of that question while working on another show yesterday... It seems like we shouldn't have touched this series, who knows what'll be creeping out next
I guess there are two paths to take from here: add all NZ original dates as it definitely started airing earlier. Or: add whichever's air date is earlier to each episode, although i would imply a switch between TV stations.
I guess I prefer the second one... but man, that's difficult.

I also prefer the second one, but it sounds really complicated.

Well, not so much, does it? At some point, the episodes aired earlier in Germany. So there'll probably be only one switch. And even if there'd be more: I hardly think many people take a firm look on those dates, do they?

I did a quick search and came across Logopedia. For TVNZ 1, the data looks complete and reliable, but out emblem is not in it... I read it an an "i" though, too. The closest I got was i98FM, but that's an Australian radio station... At this point, I'd consider asking if anyone knows the logo. Wikipedia could be a good try, but maybe the NZ archive also would be willing to help. There is no archive like fernsehserien.de for NZ/English broadcasts, is there? Such would name the channel it aired on...

About the logo: I'm not sure, I think you're right, it's an "i". I also thought: What if the YouTube clip isn't from the first release in New Zealand? It could be from any time later? Maybe the logo is a bad piece of evidence?!?

Well, that could also be. Hmm... I'll shoot an email to the archive. Surely they will also have the channel on record. Maybe they'll be of help.

About another archive: No, I don't think so. Well, at least I don't know of any ...

I'm not great friends with IMDb's update protocol. First time I edited something, I got really lost and I haven't gotten back ever since, so I'm not to keen on it, lol. So you're welcome to do it.

I'm confused: Do you mean IMDb or TMDb? I was asking if you want to add all the data here on TMDb, meaning to this entry here:

Agh, I was just too distracted when writing this! For some reason, I thought you had written "IMDb". Sorry about that.

https://www.themoviedb.org/tv/28921-riding-high

Or do you primarily work on TVDb, meaning here:

https://www.thetvdb.com/series/riding-high

Or we could do it separately and compare at the end?!?

Well, primarily I'm just an end user taking matter into their own hands as Riding High wasn't listed on Trakt. Trakt uses information from both TMDb and TVDB (but requires an entry with basic information from TMDB, I also started doing some stuff here). The second show tracker I'm using (because yes, one needs two for that! ), TVTime, however only uses TVDB information, so I'll probably be more active over there. I'd just say that anyone who gets around for it sooner does the work?

@Fairyfish wrote:

Well, not so much, does it? At some point, the episodes aired earlier in Germany. So there'll probably be only one switch. And even if there'd be more: I hardly think many people take a firm look on those dates, do they?

The switch is between episodes 48 and 49. All episode release dates with no. 49 beginning are from the German broadcast.

Well, that could also be. Hmm... I'll shoot an email to the archive. Surely they will also have the channel on record. Maybe they'll be of help.

Good idea!

Agh, I was just too distracted when writing this! For some reason, I thought you had written "IMDb". Sorry about that.

Okay, no worries.

Well, primarily I'm just an end user taking matter into their own hands as Riding High wasn't listed on Trakt. Trakt uses information from both TMDb and TVDB (but requires an entry with basic information from TMDB, I also started doing some stuff here). The second show tracker I'm using ( because yes, one needs two for that! ), TVTime, however only uses TVDB information, so I'll probably be more active over there. I'd just say that anyone who gets around for it sooner does the work?

Haha!

I added all German episode titles and English episode descriptions plus release dates. With episode 21 starting, the English descriptions and dates are in doubles -> looks like those are double episodes, broadcast on 1 day. It looks strange, but it's also consequent until the end. I don't think it's a mistake.

I also compared the German titles between fernsehserien and this website of Kieren Hutchison. The biggest difference is the title for episode 10: "Ein kleines Mißverständnis" vs. "Diplomatie ist eine Kunst". No idea why this happenedß There are also a few minor differences (for example, no. 43: "Ein Fall für Max" vs. "Eine Falle für Max"), but in general it's the same.

That's all for today. I'm kind of already sleeping while I type this ...

@janar72 said:

Well, that could also be. Hmm... I'll shoot an email to the archive. Surely they will also have the channel on record. Maybe they'll be of help.

Good idea!

So, I finally got around to do it! And now I'm excitedly waiting to hear back from them.

I added all German episode titles and English episode descriptions plus release dates. With episode 21 starting, the English descriptions and dates are in doubles -> looks like those are double episodes, broadcast on 1 day. It looks strange, but it's also consequent until the end. I don't think it's a mistake.

You've only added the information here, not on TVDb, as far as I see, yes? I'll wait for the archive's response then. Then I can add all the information over there all at once. And yes, I think you're right. What are the guidelines on episode descriptions here, anyway? I could try to update them when I start watching -> after all, this was my initial motive!

I also compared the German titles between fernsehserien and this website of Kieren Hutchison. The biggest difference is the title for episode 10: "Ein kleines Mißverständnis" vs. "Diplomatie ist eine Kunst". No idea why this happenedß There are also a few minor differences (for example, no. 43: "Ein Fall für Max" vs. "Eine Falle für Max"), but in general it's the same.

Unfortunately, that's the only episode that is missing the opening scene in the playlist on Youtube! I would go with the data from fernsehserien.de though, maybe something got lost in translation, or the title was changed after Kieren got the list. "Diplomatie ist eine Kunst" is a rather common phrase, so I wouldn't doubt it could be accurate.

That's all for today. I'm kind of already sleeping while I type this ...

Same here Just wanted to finally address this, now I'm off to bed...

The only problem: The show aired from December 31st, 1995 to September 21st, 1996 in New Zealand - and this collides with the German broadcast from May 9th 1996 to August 12th 1996. I'm not sure what we should do - I think I've never seen such a case before.

That's what the Bible is for. You can ignore the overlap. Otherwise we would end up with wrong data that is really messy. (It's less of an issue for older shows or shows always airing in the same order, but still..)

@banana_girl wrote:

That's what the Bible is for.

I guess I didn't look hard enough?!? (Honestly, I knew that you would read this eventually and correct me ...)

You can ignore the overlap. Otherwise we would end up with wrong data that is really messy. (It's less of an issue for older shows or shows always airing in the same order, but stills..)

Okay! I'd prefered it the other way, but if that's the rule, I'm going to change the current German air dates for episodes 49 to 65 to the air dates from New Zealand. However, it might take a few days, because editing anything with my old notebook is hell and I'm still waiting for my new or repaired ac adapter.

Thanks for the help!

@Fairyfish wrote:

So, I finally got around to do it! And now I'm excitedly waiting to hear back from them.

Great! I hope they'll answer!

You've only added the information here, not on TVDb, as far as I see, yes?

Yes! I don't edit on TVDb, because I already spend too much time here on TMDb.

I'll wait for the archive's response then. Then I can add all the information over there all at once.

Sounds good!

And yes, I think you're right. What are the guidelines on episode descriptions here, anyway? I could try to update them when I start watching -> after all, this was my initial motive!

Here's the TMDb guideline for tv episode descriptions, a.k.a. overviews: https://www.themoviedb.org/bible/tv/59f743289251416e71000037#59f744609251416e71000041.

You can also read the guideline for movie overviews, which is similar but more descriptive: https://www.themoviedb.org/bible/movie#59f73b759251416e71000002.

Unfortunately, that's the only episode that is missing the opening scene in the playlist on Youtube! I would go with the data from fernsehserien.de though, maybe something got lost in translation, or the title was changed after Kieren got the list. "Diplomatie ist eine Kunst" is a rather common phrase, so I wouldn't doubt it could be accurate.

I tend to think the same, but I haven't changed it yet because of some technical problems with my notebook. Also, for your information: I'm going to change the release dates of episodes 49-65 according to the broadcast in New Zealand because of what @banana_girl wrote in the post above. In my opinion: Before you add the data to TVDb, you might want ask somewhere someone if they follow the same rule or if they want the data overlapping? I don't really know TVDb very well, so I'm not sure what they prefer?!?