@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Leonard and Penny get divorced

2. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

3. Sheldon watches as Bert and Kripke win a Nobel Prize, while his grant is canceled and he is then forced to move and live back home with his Mom in Texas, and works at The Apple Store.

4. Raj gets deported.

5. Amy marries David Gibbs - the English guy she dated after she broke up with Sheldon.

6. Stuart's store takes off and becomes a successful Comic Book Chain of stores, both brick and mortar, AND on the internet, and he becomes a "Jeff Bezos" type of billionaire.

7. Bob Newhart then wakes up and realizes the entire series has been yet another long and weird dream.

The End

And then we slowly zoom in on Bob Newhart and everything goes gauzy and the whole cast come in and then it is revealed that all of Pasadena is in a sno-globe and the whole thing has been a double weird dream (ala the St. Elsewhere ending) . Oh then Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" plays and we cut to black and then...Keyser Soze is revealed as ......

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

That could be something of an interesting twist, but wouldn't it mean that all of the scenarios they gave Howard about that letter from his father, were false? One of them was supposed to be true.

Why did the site change 2 to 1? Sigh.

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

That could be something of an interesting twist, but wouldn't it mean that all of the scenarios they gave Howard about that letter from his father, were false? One of them was supposed to be true.

Why did the site change 2 to 1? Sigh.

I had the same (sort of) problem with my reply to 'censor', It changed the last item on his/her list from a seven to a one (even though it was the LAST ITEM) and indented it.

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

That could be something of an interesting twist, but wouldn't it mean that all of the scenarios they gave Howard about that letter from his father, were false? One of them was supposed to be true.

I'm not following. How would Howard leaving his family make all of the 'Letter scenarios' false?

Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.

Then again, one of them might have been true according to the letter, but the letter itself could have been false. If his father just didn't want to admit his true reason.

@Knixon said:

Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

No. Wrong (again). Re-watch the episode.

@znexyish said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Leonard and Penny get divorced

2. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

3. Sheldon watches as Bert and Kripke win a Nobel Prize, while his grant is canceled and he is then forced to move and live back home with his Mom in Texas, and works at The Apple Store.

4. Raj gets deported.

5. Amy marries David Gibbs - the English guy she dated after she broke up with Sheldon.

6. Stuart's store takes off and becomes a successful Comic Book Chain of stores, both brick and mortar, AND on the internet, and he becomes a "Jeff Bezos" type of billionaire.

7. Bob Newhart then wakes up and realizes the entire series has been yet another long and weird dream.

The End

And then we slowly zoom in on Bob Newhart and everything goes gauzy and the whole cast come in and then it is revealed that all of Pasadena is in a sno-globe and the whole thing has been a double weird dream (ala the St. Elsewhere ending) . Oh then Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" plays and we cut to black and then...Keyser Soze is revealed as ......

LOL Keyser Soze is revealed to be a homosexual pedophile who got his netflix hit show canceled due to recent allegations!

@MrCharmingMan said:

@znexyish said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Leonard and Penny get divorced

2. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

3. Sheldon watches as Bert and Kripke win a Nobel Prize, while his grant is canceled and he is then forced to move and live back home with his Mom in Texas, and works at The Apple Store.

4. Raj gets deported.

5. Amy marries David Gibbs - the English guy she dated after she broke up with Sheldon.

6. Stuart's store takes off and becomes a successful Comic Book Chain of stores, both brick and mortar, AND on the internet, and he becomes a "Jeff Bezos" type of billionaire.

7. Bob Newhart then wakes up and realizes the entire series has been yet another long and weird dream.

The End

And then we slowly zoom in on Bob Newhart and everything goes gauzy and the whole cast come in and then it is revealed that all of Pasadena is in a sno-globe and the whole thing has been a double weird dream (ala the St. Elsewhere ending) . Oh then Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" plays and we cut to black and then...Keyser Soze is revealed as ......

LOL Keyser Soze is revealed to be a homosexual pedophile who got his netflix hit show canceled due to recent allegations!

I heard now that this season will be the final season for HOUSE OF CARDS, but that they are re-writing the entire season - and killing Frank Underwood off. So they will toss everything they filmed so far into the trash and re-shoot everything.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@znexyish said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

How about this....

1. Leonard and Penny get divorced

2. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

3. Sheldon watches as Bert and Kripke win a Nobel Prize, while his grant is canceled and he is then forced to move and live back home with his Mom in Texas, and works at The Apple Store.

4. Raj gets deported.

5. Amy marries David Gibbs - the English guy she dated after she broke up with Sheldon.

6. Stuart's store takes off and becomes a successful Comic Book Chain of stores, both brick and mortar, AND on the internet, and he becomes a "Jeff Bezos" type of billionaire.

7. Bob Newhart then wakes up and realizes the entire series has been yet another long and weird dream.

The End

And then we slowly zoom in on Bob Newhart and everything goes gauzy and the whole cast come in and then it is revealed that all of Pasadena is in a sno-globe and the whole thing has been a double weird dream (ala the St. Elsewhere ending) . Oh then Journey's "Don't Stop Believing" plays and we cut to black and then...Keyser Soze is revealed as ......

LOL Keyser Soze is revealed to be a homosexual pedophile who got his netflix hit show canceled due to recent allegations!

I heard now that this season will be the final season for HOUSE OF CARDS, but that they are re-writing the entire season - and killing Frank Underwood off. So they will toss everything they filmed so far into the trash and re-shoot everything.

Which is not only an obscene waste of money and man-hours , it's probably going to be subpar anyway compared to what they originally filmed.

Why would fans of that show want to watch an Underwood-less final season? How to do you provide closure and tie up loose ends in a story without the main character?

@CalabrianQueen said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

@znexyish said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

I heard now that this season will be the final season for HOUSE OF CARDS, but that they are re-writing the entire season - and killing Frank Underwood off. So they will toss everything they filmed so far into the trash and re-shoot everything.

Which is not only an obscene waste of money and man-hours , it's probably going to be subpar anyway compared to what they originally filmed.

Why would fans of that show want to watch an Underwood-less final season? How to do you provide closure and tie up loose ends in a story without the main character?

The really stupid thing is, Frank has been the NARRATOR for the entire series. We've been watching this essentially through his eyes, and guided for years by him - looking directly into the camera and talking TO us. To lose that now is beyond silly.

It reminds me of how in CASINO, the story was being told by both Deniro and Pesci's characters - and then (SPOILERS) near the end, just as Pesci is narrating, he gets beaten to death. That directorial decision was the one major flaw in the film. Because having the movie (or in the case of House of Cards) narrated by a character, pre-supposes that the character is here with you in real time - relaying the story. To have the narrator die and the story continue makes no sense - as he could never have been around to narrate the story in the first place.

In any event, HOC took a major dump last season. The entire UNDERWOOD/UNDERWOOD card was unrealistic. And based on our 2016 election - that's a hard task to accomplish.

Me? I'll watch the first episode or two to see what they are doing. But for me to continue after that, it's going to have to be REALLY compelling and of high quality. Which I don't think they can achieve.

I've faced it, Spacey ruined the show right along with his career.

@Knixon said:

Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.

Then again, one of them might have been true according to the letter, but the letter itself could have been false. If his father just didn't want to admit his true reason.

None of the stories involved Deb Deb. Other than Penny and Sheldon's tales they were generic I love and miss you Howie type stuff. I am certain that the Howard's father storyline is done with. Maybe you were bugged by Debbie and just projected your feelings for her onto the letters ? Just kidding, I don't expect everyone to know every piddly detail about each episode. Maybe all the stories about what was in the letter were just spread out over everyone's version ?

@znexyish said:

None of the stories involved Deb Deb. Other than Penny and Sheldon's tales they were generic I love and miss you Howie type stuff. I am certain that the Howard's father storyline is done with. Maybe you were bugged by Debbie and just projected your feelings for her onto the letters ? Just kidding, I don't expect everyone to know every piddly detail about each episode. Maybe all the stories about what was in the letter were just spread out over everyone's version ?

But that was kind of the point that I started with. If the REAL reason Howard's father left was because he couldn't stand his (Howard's) mother any more, and all of the letter stories were something like one I remember being "I got in trouble and didn't want you/your mother to get hurt" or a secret family or whatever, that would seem to mean ALL of the letter stories were false. (And not just the one about Peg-Leg Antoine.) But Howard was assured that ONE of them was true. Thing is, they couldn't really know that. All they could say was that one of their stories accurately reflected the letter. But the letter itself may have been false.

As for Kevin Spacey, what you should really be looking forward to (not) is when they digitally re-edit the past seasons to remove Spacey from those too. Or maybe just put the whole series down the Memory Hole.

Seriously did you take a marijuana Knixon ? Because the show has mentioned hardly anything about Howards father except that he left the family. As for the letter and the stories being false, why would they all conspire to lie to their good friend Howard about this one thing that he has been crying about the length of the show until then ? Why would there even be a fake letter from Sam Wolowitz ? One of the stories was true because Sheldon told them what was in the original letter. Are you calling Sheldon Cooper a liar ? Crazy yes but truthful too. Now if Sam left Debbie and Howard because he couldn't stand her well that is not very nice

http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/Sam_Wolowitz

http://bigbangtheory.wikia.com/wiki/The_Closet_Reconfiguration

I said, one of the stories might have been an accurate representation of the letter. But none of them - and none of us - can know (at least so far) if the letter itself was accurate. If Howard's father really did leave his mother because he couldn't stand to be around her and her size and her voice any more, would it have been appropriate or kind for him to say so in the letter? Especially since he sent the letter on the occasion of Howard's high school graduation. (I wonder why he apparently didn't send another when Howard graduated from MIT? Or when he went into space?)

@Knixon said:

But that was kind of the point that I started with. *If the REAL reason Howard's father left was because he couldn't stand his (Howard's) mother any more, and all of the letter stories were something like one I remember being "I got in trouble and didn't want you/your mother to get hurt" or a secret family or whatever, that would seem to mean ALL of the letter stories were false. * (And not just the one about Peg-Leg Antoine.) But Howard was assured that ONE of them was true. Thing is, they couldn't really know that. All they could say was that one of their stories accurately reflected the letter. But the letter itself may have been false.

As for Kevin Spacey, what you should really be looking forward to (not) is when they digitally re-edit the past seasons to remove Spacey from those too. Or maybe just put the whole series down the Memory Hole.

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

Look - let's be clear - THEY DIDN'T **ALL **INVOLVE SOME VERSION OF HIS FATHER LEAVING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN SIMPLY NOT BEING ABLE TO STAND HIS MOTHER ANYMORE. Okay? Got it?

Jesus Christ Almighty - you must be a chore to know and deal with in person.