@censorshipsucks06 said:

@Knixon said:

But that was kind of the point that I started with. *If the REAL reason Howard's father left was because he couldn't stand his (Howard's) mother any more, and all of the letter stories were something like one I remember being "I got in trouble and didn't want you/your mother to get hurt" or a secret family or whatever, that would seem to mean ALL of the letter stories were false. * (And not just the one about Peg-Leg Antoine.) But Howard was assured that ONE of them was true. Thing is, they couldn't really know that. All they could say was that one of their stories accurately reflected the letter. But the letter itself may have been false.

As for Kevin Spacey, what you should really be looking forward to (not) is when they digitally re-edit the past seasons to remove Spacey from those too. Or maybe just put the whole series down the Memory Hole.

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

Look - let's be clear - THEY DIDN'T **ALL **INVOLVE SOME VERSION OF HIS FATHER LEAVING FOR REASONS OTHER THAN SIMPLY NOT BEING ABLE TO STAND HIS MOTHER ANYMORE. Okay? Got it?

Jesus Christ Almighty - you must be a chore to know and deal with in person.

I don't think Howard would ever leave Bernie I mean he literally couldn't even get a girl to talk to him, so he should be lucky to ever even landing her at all. She has an amazing rack and is the breadwinner too.

Didn't Howard date her too because she's Catholic and to piss off his mom's jewish side?

@censorshipsucks06 said:

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

You realize that's a question, to start with? Not an assertion or statement of (supposed) fact? And based on that question, IF that had been the case, it would have meant that the letter stories they told Howard were all false, IF Howard's father actually left his mother because he just couldn't stand to be with her any more, not for any reason he might have given in the letter; but they said one of them was true. Except they only knew what the letter said, they don't know whether the letter itself was true or not.

Since it was a question/if, not a claim of fact, your argument - and apparent upset over it - are unnecessary and irrelevant.

@MrCharmingMan said:

I would probably see this show going for at most another few seasons more. So what could be successfully done in the next few seasons? Chuck also has said it will probably end after 12 seasons.

So whats the perfect way to end it all?

I'd say end it HUGE like Sheldon discovers something monumental and wins the Nobel Peace Prize and the whole gang is there listening to his acceptance speech. He then rips all the gang a new one but then ends it with saying how much they all contributed to him winning the Nobel Peace Prize. I'd like Leonard and Penny to have a kid. Sheldon and Amy get married.

But most of all Raj needs to finally find the one and get married as well. Maybe they all can go to India for a BIG Indian wedding!

One thing I DON'T want to see is "the group break up".

I've seen this too many times. The final episode and every body leaves to go their own separate ways. It was understandable with MASH, the war was over. But Friends?...and suddenly my mind has gone to its happy place...but I know I've seen it happen a bunch of times

But I do have an ending in mind: There is a party at the university to celebrate Leonards Nobel prize.

There are several bright young scientists who look suspiciously like the gang only 10 years younger.

Leonard is the head of the science department

Penney has returned to acting. She is in a series of movies Space Girl Intergalactic Special Agent. She is also the darling of Comicons everywhere.

Howard is working full time for NASA. He is teaching his kids magic and model rockets. Bernie is sounding more and more like Howards mother.

Raj has returned to India. He never marries and has to take consolation in the arms of young women. A video link shows him in a hot tub with two of them.

Amy dumped Sheldon and has taken up with Bert.

meanwhile

Sheldon is interviewing a new roommate. Nothing for him has changed

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

You realize that's a question, to start with? Not an assertion or statement of (supposed) fact? And based on that question, IF that had been the case, it would have meant that the letter stories they told Howard were all false, IF Howard's father actually left his mother because he just couldn't stand to be with her any more, not for any reason he might have given in the letter; but they said one of them was true. Except they only knew what the letter said, they don't know whether the letter itself was true or not.

Since it was a question/if, not a claim of fact, your argument - and apparent upset over it - are unnecessary and irrelevant.

It's your M.O. You postulate something, then respond to whatever it is you pull out of your head as fact. You've done that repeatedly. And it renders your replies irrelevant.

@Tim-Buktu said:

@MrCharmingMan said:

I would probably see this show going for at most another few seasons more. So what could be successfully done in the next few seasons? Chuck also has said it will probably end after 12 seasons.

So whats the perfect way to end it all?

I'd say end it HUGE like Sheldon discovers something monumental and wins the Nobel Peace Prize and the whole gang is there listening to his acceptance speech. He then rips all the gang a new one but then ends it with saying how much they all contributed to him winning the Nobel Peace Prize. I'd like Leonard and Penny to have a kid. Sheldon and Amy get married.

But most of all Raj needs to finally find the one and get married as well. Maybe they all can go to India for a BIG Indian wedding!

One thing I DON'T want to see is "the group break up".

Agreed.

@MrCharmingMan said:

Didn't Howard date her too because she's Catholic and to piss off his mom's jewish side?

Yes and it was mutual. On their first date with Penny and Leonard on the way in the car, Howard said that Bernie should wear her cross when he takes her to a Wolowitz family gathering and then Bernie said that Howard should wear a yarmulka when he meets her family.

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

You realize that's a question, to start with? Not an assertion or statement of (supposed) fact? And based on that question, IF that had been the case, it would have meant that the letter stories they told Howard were all false, IF Howard's father actually left his mother because he just couldn't stand to be with her any more, not for any reason he might have given in the letter; but they said one of them was true. Except they only knew what the letter said, they don't know whether the letter itself was true or not.

Since it was a question/if, not a claim of fact, your argument - and apparent upset over it - are unnecessary and irrelevant.

It's your M.O. You postulate something, then respond to whatever it is you pull out of your head as fact. You've done that repeatedly. And it renders your replies irrelevant.

Your M.O. - and that of a few others too - seems to be claiming that a hypothesis put forth is actually some kind of factual claim, and then attacking it as if it were, when it never was.

http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@Knixon said:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

Buddy - you have a REAL issue with not being able to admit to being wrong about ANYTHING. You just blabber about the subject to further confuse the issue.

You said - and I QUOTE

**Didn't they all involve some version of his father leaving for reasons OTHER than simply not being able to stand his mother any more?

So if Howard leaves Bernadette because he now finds her intolerable since she's exactly like his mother, and that's supposed to be the same reason his father left his mother, then the claims that his father left for some other reason - secret life/identity or whatever - are all false. But they said one of them was true.**

You realize that's a question, to start with? Not an assertion or statement of (supposed) fact? And based on that question, IF that had been the case, it would have meant that the letter stories they told Howard were all false, IF Howard's father actually left his mother because he just couldn't stand to be with her any more, not for any reason he might have given in the letter; but they said one of them was true. Except they only knew what the letter said, they don't know whether the letter itself was true or not.

Since it was a question/if, not a claim of fact, your argument - and apparent upset over it - are unnecessary and irrelevant.

It's your M.O. You postulate something, then respond to whatever it is you pull out of your head as fact. You've done that repeatedly. And it renders your replies irrelevant.

Your M.O. - and that of a few others too - seems to be claiming that a hypothesis put forth is actually some kind of factual claim, and then attacking it as if it were, when it never was.

http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8j3E6HbyBk&feature=youtu.be&t=20s

Hey guys/folks/people, can we just move on from this 'endless' discussion?

@bratface said:

Hey guys/folks/people, can we just move on from this 'endless' discussion?

Yes. But.

Still can't figure out what it's all about. The poster said "he leaves just like his Dad did". The poster did NOT say 'he leaves for the same reason his Dad did'.

& ; or did I miss something?

What I was responding to was:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

It's not difficult to figure from that, as assumption that Howard's father left his mother for the same reason that Howard would leave Bernadette. Maybe CS could have used better wording, if he didn't mean it would be for the same reason.

1. We don't know why Howards father left. The reason was never mentioned.
2. Howard leaving Bernie and the kids ? Horrible idea. He would never do it
3. The main reason this discussion turned into the mess it is ? Because people to complain and you know because the internet...
4. As George Jetson would say "Jane stop this crazy thing !"

@znexyish said:

1. We don't know why Howards father left. The reason was never mentioned.
2. Howard leaving Bernie and the kids ? Horrible idea. He would never do it
3. The main reason this discussion turned into the mess it is ? Because people to complain and you know because the internet...
4. As George Jetson would say "Jane stop this crazy thing !"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTZ91YtKLN4

@Knixon said:

What I was responding to was:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

*It's not difficult to figure from that, as assumption that Howard's father left his mother for the same reason that Howard would leave Bernadette. * Maybe CS could have used better wording, if he didn't mean it would be for the same reason.

And therein lies another of your continual errors. You read things into posts that aren't there, and then respond to that instead of what someone actually wrote. It strikes me as funny that you are the ONLY one that continually has this issue. Therefore, it's logical to say the issue lies with you. As Erica said, it seems a lot of the threads you appear in devolve into semantical nonsense. Again - the common denominator is YOU.

Stating someone did something is NOT stating WHY they did something. The fact you can't distinguish between the two shows you are an idiot. Here's a clue DUMMY - had I wanted to discuss the REASON, I'd have POSTED about the reason. I think you get a perpetual hard on from disrupting and/or ruining discussions. As I said before, you must be a chore to deal with in real life.

https://youtu.be/TwUbXuQnW8E

@censorshipsucks06 said:

@Knixon said:

What I was responding to was:

@censorshipsucks06 said:

1. Howard is miserable because Bernie completes her transition into being EXACTLY like his mother, and he leaves just like his Dad did.

*It's not difficult to figure from that, as assumption that Howard's father left his mother for the same reason that Howard would leave Bernadette. * Maybe CS could have used better wording, if he didn't mean it would be for the same reason.

And therein lies another of your continual errors. You read things into posts that aren't there, and then respond to that instead of what someone actually wrote. It strikes me as funny that you are the ONLY one that continually has this issue. Therefore, it's logical to say the issue lies with you. As Erica said, it seems a lot of the threads you appear in devolve into semantical nonsense. Again - the common denominator is YOU.

Stating someone did something is NOT stating WHY they did something. The fact you can't distinguish between the two shows you are an idiot. Here's a clue DUMMY - had I wanted to discuss the REASON, I'd have POSTED about the reason. I think you get a perpetual hard on from disrupting and/or ruining discussions. As I said before, you must be a chore to deal with in real life.

https://youtu.be/TwUbXuQnW8E

I agree that Kernixon gets a bit giddy over semantics, but I think you allow your neck veins to get a bit too bulgy over him CS. If you don't like the semantic monster, don't feed him.