By knix:

Khan would likely have just taken over some remote colony world that Starfleet would either not know about, or couldn't be bothered to defend

It would be a long time before Khan and the few-dozen henchmen he started with would be able to control a fleet, and even then they'd still have the rest of Starfleet to deal with, and Starfleet would probably get help from the Vulcans and others too

If you feel Khan would not be a threat to Starfleet , then why would there be any need to seek help from the Vulcans?

I don’t see Khan being satisfied just ruling over a colony.

I think he might team up with an ally like the Klingons or the Romulans… if not to conquer Earth … then another planet / civilisation.

Who knows, Khan might appear in season one or will we have to wait until season two?

by wonder2wonder:

Who knows, Khan might appear in season one or will we have to wait until season two?

We know who found Khan....so no I hope not to see him while the Enterprise is under the command of Pike.

I was really hyped for this series but my enthusiasm is waning.

@sunshine62 said:

by wonder2wonder:

Who knows, Khan might appear in season one or will we have to wait until season two?

We know who found Khan....so no I hope not to see him while the Enterprise is under the command of Pike.

I was really hyped for this series but my enthusiasm is waning.

The show with Anson Mount is expected to be popular among all fans, but TPTB want even more viewers. To attract the old(er) discontented fans of (S)TOS they are using 'member berries', including characters from the original show, like Uhura, Chapel, Kirk and many more in this and future seasons.

Of course, I'm more interested in Captain Pike going boldly where no man has gone before, and not in Captain Pike 'MAGCON' with favourites from Star Trek.

By w2w :

The show with Anson Mount is expected to be popular among all fans, but TPTB want even more viewers. To attract the old(er) discontented fans of (S)TOS they are using 'member berries', including characters from the original show, like Uhura, Chapel, Kirk and many more in this and future seasons.

I think they will only achieve the opposite. Going against canon will only piss off TOS lovers.

Anson/Pike and Peck/Spock were the best things on STAR TREK DISCOVERY the production already has their winning cards ... why not just write some great stories about them.

Those that love TOS will be enthusiastic to get more backstory about the years SPOCK served under PIKE.

Already having Uhura , Chapel appearing is bad enough but Kirk is a sacrilege..it will only piss off the older discontented fans.

@sunshine62 said:

by wonder2wonder:

Who knows, Khan might appear in season one or will we have to wait until season two?

We know who found Khan....so no I hope not to see him while the Enterprise is under the command of Pike.

I was really hyped for this series but my enthusiasm is waning.

Haven't they pretty much already tossed canon out the nearest airlock?

by knix:

Haven't they pretty much already tossed canon out the nearest airlock?

Yes, and every time I think they are done trampling over canon , they do something worse.

The thing that pisses me off most is that according to them they are doing this to appease TOS fans. WTH?

As much as I would love to say they are dorks , the truth is that they are messing around with us;

they don't give a hoot about canon and they care even less about TOS fan and our feelings.

Well apparently they can't be TOO good, because of that "25% different" thing.

If they couldn't think of a new show of their own to make, they shouldn't have made anything at all.

by knix:

Well apparently they can't be TOO good, because of that "25% different" thing.

The series is supposed to be about the years Pike was in command of the Enterprise and Spock was his science officer. I don"t see what Kirk has to do at this early point of the narrative ...Kirk's time to shine comes after Pike leaves the command of the Enterprise and Starfleet hands the ship over to Kirk.

If Kirk instead appears now it's a choice the writers made and has nothing to do with the 25% difference...it's the producers that don"t think Anson and Peck will draw enough audience so they want to stuff Kirk into the narrative before time.

Does canon explain why Pike left the command?

If they couldn't think of a new show of their own to make, they shouldn't have made anything at all

NuSpock ,in JJ.Abrams films, was complete distorted .. he looked 90% different to me. JJ.Abrams set the narrative in an alternate thinking that would explain why NuSpock was all emotional even before the destruction of Vulcan and the death of his mother. All poppycock.

When Nero appeared creating an alternate time line, the Romulan attacked the Kelvin and Kirk was born on a shuttle leaving the doomed starship ( instead of in Iowa.) lots of eyes rolled...fans were bending backwards to find a plausible explanation to how she could still have given birth to Kirk in Iowa had Nero not appeared, seeing she was in deep space etc....

..that the new timeline had an effect on Spock's Vulcan upbringing on Vulcan , a planet thousands of light years away , was even more far fetched ..... Spock being involved with Uhura just didn't make sense. Period.

Yes, It would have been better had JJ Abrams films' not been made.

@sunshine62 said:

by knix:

Well apparently they can't be TOO good, because of that "25% different" thing.

The series is supposed to be about the years Pike was in command of the Enterprise and Spock was his science officer. I don"t see what Kirk has to do at this early point of the narrative ...Kirk's time to shine comes after Pike leaves the command of the Enterprise and Starfleet hands the ship over to Kirk.

If Kirk instead appears now it's a choice the writers made and has nothing to do with the 25% difference...it's the producers that don"t think Anson and Peck will draw enough audience so they want to stuff Kirk into the narrative before time.

Does canon explain why Pike left the command?

From memory-alpha.fandom.com:

Pike and Kirk met only once, when Pike was promoted to fleet captain. Prior to joining Kirk on the Enterprise, Spock had served with Pike for a total of eleven years, four months, and five days. (TOS: "The Menagerie, Part I").

According to "Q2", Kirk's first five-year mission ended in 2270, and so it presumably started in 2265. According to StarTrek.com, Pike commanded the Enterprise from 2251 to 2262.

Season two is still filming, so it's not certain yet that Pike will meet Kirk more than once before he hands over command.

There are pictures of Kirk's encounter - romantic? - with La'an Noonien-Singh, who is possibly related to Khan.

Side notes:

The information on the Memory-Alpha and other sites might change in the future to include new and additional information, including any changes - retconning - of canon.

For example: before 2017 it stated that Spock only had one sibling, his half-brother Sybok; after 2018 he has two, including his adopted sister Michael Burnham.

Another example: before 2017 it stated that the second time Pike met Vina was in TOS: "The Menagerie" (2267); after 2018 the second time he met Vina was in Star Trek: Discovery "If Memory Serves" (2257).

Yes, I was going to mention the "fleet captain" part. And as I've pointed out before, we can't rely on many/most online Trek sites for reliable information, since they get "modified" to fit various retcons etc.

@sunshine62: I do not know what is wrong with the producers. Having Kirk appear on Strange New Worlds is WRONG! This show is about PIKE'S Enterprise, not Kirk's. Anson Mount's performance and popularity with the fans on season two of Discovery is what lead the producers to commission Strange New Worlds to begin with! And having Ethan Peck as Spock will help, not to mention Number One (whose real name is an IRISH one).

If it wasn't for memberberries, they would have nothing at all.

@ to wonder2wonder:

Thanks for the memory alpha fandom link ..I scrolled through it but it doesn't say why Pike decide to leave the command of the Enterprise. Something else though caught my eye and had me scratching my head.

It says that Pike was born in the early 2200s and that he took command of the Enterprise in 2250. In the early 2200s would mean round about 2203 max 2205 ..so lets say 2205 ..that would mean Pike was 45 when he got the Enterprise. The Talos IV incident took place in 2254 , so Pike was 50 years old ... Jeffrey Hunter's Pike in TOS was not 50 years old.

And how old was Vina , in her early 30s when she met Pike ..so she was a child when their spaceship crashed on Talos?

knix:

If it wasn't for memberberries, they would have nothing at all

That's not true in this particular case... like SecretaryIMF points out in her post here below copied and pasted, there is no need for Kirk to appear.

I do not know what is wrong with the producers. Having Kirk appear on Strange New Worlds is WRONG! This show is about PIKE'S Enterprise, not Kirk's. Anson Mount's performance and popularity with the fans on season two of Discovery is what lead the producers to commission Strange New Worlds to begin with! And having Ethan Peck as Spock will help, not to mention Number One (whose real name is an IRISH one).

Once Pike's story has been told (hopefully we get at least two seasons of exploration ) then Pike can retire and Kirk can replace him. Why do they have to complicate matters when there is no need?